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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #240 on: November 14, 2009, 07:20:43 am »
I was in Bangalore and Delhi whilst I was there and the diversity in the cuisine was astonishing, to be frank. Problem being that it's very difficult to recreate those flavours in the UK, as I believe that most 'Indians' in the UK, are actually Bangladeshi(-influenced).

Some of the food I ate on the side streets of Delhi was some of the most perfumed, flavoursome food I've ever eaten.

I would love to learn how to spice like the Indians. It's a true art.
Send me a message if anyone is travelling here - will have many suggestions, both for fine dining and for street food.  The street food has always been great in Delhi but of late some extremely authentic regional restaurants have come up and very recently, the first successful attempt at modern Indian cusine that I have come across in India.

A place called Indian Accent with an amazing menu - may international ingredients prepared with very Indian spices and sauces and twists.  There is also a chef's tasting menu with wine paired by Charles Metcalfe.  http://www.themanordelhi.com/restaurant-menus.htm


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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2009, 02:40:00 pm »
@ jookie i will stick a few comments on after each of the most interesting ones for now:


Thanks for that mate. Really interesting to hear your thoughts on them. Like I said I've got a couple of mates who are real foodies and some of your comments above are similar to what they've told me. They always rave about Maze, pied a terre and St John. They are well into it to be honest and have been to loads in New York etc.. I'm only just getting into the whole fine dining thing myself. Probably because my missus loves it as well. Tend to do it more when I'm away on holiday. Been to a  few nice places in New York - went to one of David Bouley's place which was good- and San Francisco - 1 Market Street, Foriegn Cinema and Slanted Door were excellent. Being closer to London now I definitely should hit some of the places you've recommended above, even if it's to only sample the lunch menus.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #242 on: November 15, 2009, 04:16:37 pm »
Richard Coutanceau. La Rochelle   http://www.coutanceaularochelle.com/contenu/,restaurant,2
It was good, but the fact that I can no longer remember any of the individual courses probably tells its own story really.

La Bergerie d'Aragon
This is in the hills just north of Carcassone and my enduring memory is off the "menu garrigue" which, as the name suggested, consisted entirely of the local produce of the hills. Smoked trout, pigeon, rabbit and lamb.  Delicious.

Hotel Camillou, Cyril Attrazic. Aumont Aubrac  http://www.camillou.com/restau/cuisine.php
In many ways this was one of the highlights of the trip. The hotel is an unassuming 70's construction on the outskirts of an unassuming town in the Cantal.  The central mountainous region of France that everyone generally by-passes.  We were so underwhelmed by the place that we almost decided not to eat in the restaurant, thank god we did.  It was sublime, heavily orientated towards the beef reared on the volcanic plateau on which the town sits.  We had the, reasonably priced, tasting menu. The highlights being a starter of "beef canneloni" which was steak tartare wrapped in thin sheets of cured beef and a main which consisted of a beef fillet served along with a cube of slow cooked beef.  The fillet was gorgeous as you'd expect but the star was the little cube of slow cooked beef which I am struggling to describe. It was essence of beef, almost a heavenly OXO cube if you will. The whole served with a nice jug of gravy and a dish of aligot.  The good thing is that this place is perfectly positioned as a stop over on a drive down to the Med.  We'll certainly be calling again.

La Cabro d'Or, Michel Hulin
Into Provence now, we stopped here for our wedding anniversary. The food was excellent but the portions were far too big with the result that by the time we had finished our abiding memory was of being over full.  Lovely place though.

Auberge de la Feniere, Reine Sammut. Lourmarin http://www.reinesammut.com/fr/cuisine-reine-sammut/
Another highlight, a fantastic place to stay and a stunning meal.  We were given nine small pots of olive oil at the start, each chosen to complement a particular course.  I'm not totall convinced by that but the food was superb and tasting the huge variety of olive oils was an attraction in itself and something of an eye opener.

Restaurant Georges Blanc. Vonnas http://www.georgesblanc.com/uk/navigation.php
I guess it doesn't really get more French cooking establishment than this. Eighty years since the first Michelin star, the full set since 1981 and sure enough the food and the cooking was superb.  Yet...  it was somewhere that I couldn't quite warm to. Whilst everything was perfect there was nothing that made you go "Wow!" in the way that Cyril Attrazic's beef creations had.  It was also the sort of place where you are liable to get a Russian oligarch making a tit of himself on the next table and the village of Vonnas itself is rather creepy, the village centre having been entirely remodelled as "George Blanc's Cuisine Experience", Restaurant, Two Hotels, Spa, Cafe, Brasserie, Cave, Deli, Cookware / Souvenir Shop all sitting rather uneasily in what is otherwise a fairly poor farming town in the Bresse.

La Table du Gourmet, Jean-Luc Brendel. Riquewihr  http://www.jlbrendel.com/main.php
Nice inventive cooking without pushing it too far.  The food in his Brasserie is also top notch and the rooms above the brasserie which we stayed in are lovely.  The village itself is very nice early in the morning and in the evening, but you'll probably want to take an excursion to the neighbouring vineyards and caves during the day when the coach-borne hordes arrive.

And just before Claw leaps in, I should also say that we had many quite delightful meals in French chambre d'hotes on most of our evenings.  However the ones above are the ones we visited which probably are most relevant to this thread. 
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #243 on: November 15, 2009, 05:07:09 pm »
nice itinerary vdm.  looking at some of those menus i'm mainly struck at how expensive some of the set menus are - with the current exchange rate they make the fat duck seem very reasonable as a 3 star alternative.  which was your best of the bunch?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #244 on: November 15, 2009, 05:21:57 pm »
Yep, the collapse of the pound against the Euro made it an excruciatingly expensive trip.  I think the last time we did a big "tour de France" was about 2001, at that point French accommodation and food was a bargain compared to what you could get in the UK.  Even at 1.6EUR/£ French prices had caught up. At 1.1EUR/£ it made the UK seem positively cheap.

All the meals were excellent really.  The Bergerie at Aragon was a lot more hit and miss than the others, but it was also much cheaper.  I guess the stand out meals for me were Cyril Attrazic, Reine Sammut and Georges Blanc.  Which means in terms of value for money Cyril Attrazic was the winner by a mile. 
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2009, 10:29:46 am »
i find that chefs on the way up try harder and offer better value though i would suggest that heston has been an exception to this rule up until now.  as soon as they get their third star its off to tv or launching multiple restaurants and they can't be cooking them all at the same time.  the geroges blanc scenario is a bit like rick stein in padstow where he seems to own everywhere to eat in the same town.  it tends to take away the sense of occasion for me but i suppose people want to push on an make a living.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2009, 10:54:14 am »
i find that chefs on the way up try harder and offer better value though i would suggest that heston has been an exception to this rule up until now.  as soon as they get their third star its off to tv or launching multiple restaurants and they can't be cooking them all at the same time.  the geroges blanc scenario is a bit like rick stein in padstow where he seems to own everywhere to eat in the same town.  it tends to take away the sense of occasion for me but i suppose people want to push on an make a living.

btw tash didn't send your book so it lives to fight another day ;)

You're probably right about chefs trying to make a name for themselves versus the established "stars". I've eaten (and stayed) at Rick Stein's in Padstow and it's a good comparison, the Georges Blanc experience is taking it one step futher though believe me.  The thing is that the Blancworld seems to be a tourist destination in its own right now with people visiting for the day to look at the menus, purchase a GB teatowel or his trademark pot Bresse chicken and then trundle home.  Which seems kind of weird to me.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #247 on: November 17, 2009, 12:24:53 am »
This was a good read, I'm in San Francisco, but have yet to make it to the French Laundry, it's on the list, but haven't put the effort into making a reservation.
Will for sure do it in 2010.

Best of the year for me was Coi, which I loved..  the chef does incredible things  we did the 11 course with matching pairings.
http://coirestaurant.com/

The amuse bouche included a dab of perfume on your hand so that you could smell it while eating. 
Just wonderful flavours, and a fanastic evening.  It seems relatively cheap when I look at some of the prices listed in the thread.

$125 + $95 for the wine.

Am going to Gary Danko next weekend which is another top restaurant in SF - this will be our 4th visit I believe, mrs bdb has it as her fave.
and it's even cheaper - though not as many courses -  Tasting Menu $98  ::   Wine Pairing $65


I like to try out different places.
To that end we actually started a little fund a bit ago specifically for the task.  $10 / Week ea into the kitty, and that will get 2 stellar meals per year on top of the normal anniversary/birthday dinners.

Next year should get us to French Laundry, he only 3 Michelin Star in the bay area, and cyrus which is a 2 star.


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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #248 on: November 17, 2009, 12:25:34 pm »
Hmmm.  That is rekindling my desire to do a long US roadtrip finishing in SF. 
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #249 on: November 17, 2009, 12:49:59 pm »
yep i would LOVE to check out the french laundry and the prices seem ridiculous value if you compare them to vdm's french road trip - some of their taster menus are literally double the price but i'm wondering if that is all just french profiteering or do they have more of an emphasis on luxury ingredients rather than elevating the mundane?  i think michelin seem to be opening their mind to different approaches around the world but in france they're still top heavy with caviar, truffles and foie gras.  no complaints from me mine just an observation.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #250 on: November 17, 2009, 12:58:25 pm »

@penfold - very much looking forward to how you get on.  i'm taking my girlfriends mum out for a birthday dinner and wanted to go somewhere nice.  i'm thinking of bistrotheque in hackney as i'm going to disco bloodbath afterwards but i've only been for a set sunday lunch there before.  is it any good?

http://www.bistrotheque.com/sub.php?ID=24

i found bistrotheque a bit of a disappointment.  i've been before for birthday lunches and always found it weird that with a big group they offered a limited menu.  i can understand that with a small operation but isn't the whole point of going to a restaurant about offering choice of options?

anyway this time was a small dinner with me, lizzy and her mum over from denmark.  we'd been to the fireworks in victoria park and had built up an appetite with the crowds but still we all fancied a drink before hand so hit the downstairs cocktail bar from some excellent apple (the ladies) and water melon (me) martinis before going upstairs to the restaurant.

they run a cabaret every night of the week - tranny nights on the weekend - which are good fun but it was strictly food time and we all wanted to go into the main courses.  i had roast cod with pak choi on pureed beans with a rocket oil that just didn't knit together.  i like all the elements in themselves but on reflection i would have preferred the cod with pancetta on potato puree with savoy cabbage.  nothing wrong with my cod it just seemed under seasoned and the accompaniments were all rather anonymous.

the ladies seemed to enjoy their calves liver - this was my fave of my guests options - and the duck - super rich like a condensed scando-xmas on one plate - but i came away thinking there is much better food available in west london at better prices.  if you want to do down the cod root i suggest trying 'the cow' pub and dining room in westborne grove.  its owned by tom conrant - sir terrance 'habitat' conran's son - and keeps things priced low but the quality very, very high.  its the best place for oysters in london; their sausage and mash set the template for the rest of london and their fish stew is the nicest i've had away from the south of france - no murky old bique this is made with fresh stock every day.

they have an upstairs dining room now run by someone else but stick to the downstairs for excellent guinness and much better value:

http://www.thecowlondon.co.uk/

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http://www.thecowlondon.co.uk/bar_menu.html
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #251 on: November 17, 2009, 12:58:36 pm »
I think there has been a general swing upwards in French prices mate, not just in food but accommodation as well.  I am guessing that a combination of the reduced working week / increased holiday entitlement that the French state brought in is pushing prices higher.  The the influx of rich Russians, Brits etc enjoying the, gorgeous, countryside is also a factor I would guess. 

The 50% price hike in the last 15 months because of the exchange rate is the real killer though.

No caviar, but you are right, truffles and foie gras figured very heavily in our menus.  They are utterly delightful though.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2009, 01:03:03 pm »
i'm going to chamonix for xmas as lizzy's sister lives there with her new baby.  last xmas we really felt the difference in the exchange rate but i fear this year it will be brutal.  still i love cooking too and the local shops are amazing it just means bit more effort.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2009, 01:10:54 pm »
Never even knew this place was a top notch place

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #254 on: November 17, 2009, 06:46:23 pm »
Going to give Barrafina a go tomorrow evening with three friends. Problem is I won't be able to get there until 6:30. What do you reckon Hass, will it a be a hellishly long wait?
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #255 on: November 17, 2009, 07:12:44 pm »
Going to give Barrafina a go tomorrow evening with three friends. Problem is I won't be able to get there until 6:30. What do you reckon Hass, will it a be a hellishly long wait?

amigo all you can do is give it a go.  if you go the website before you leave they have a webcam which lets you see the queue but at least if you're in soho already you have plenty of other opportunities to hit up if the queue is too big.  as a rule of thumb it takes about 20 minutes when the queue is to the door and if its long than that they make you go away and come back.

while waiting they let you order some nibbles.  i would recommend the new arrivals - salt cod fritters with alioli and the potato chips cooked with chorizo - but the old faves still rock particularly the croquettas.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #256 on: November 17, 2009, 09:18:37 pm »
amigo all you can do is give it a go.  if you go the website before you leave they have a webcam which lets you see the queue but at least if you're in soho already you have plenty of other opportunities to hit up if the queue is too big.  as a rule of thumb it takes about 20 minutes when the queue is to the door and if its long than that they make you go away and come back.

while waiting they let you order some nibbles.  i would recommend the new arrivals - salt cod fritters with alioli and the potato chips cooked with chorizo - but the old faves still rock particularly the croquettas.

I'm salivating already - cheers for the advice Hass.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #257 on: November 18, 2009, 10:57:17 am »
I'm salivating already - cheers for the advice Hass.

i'm looking forward to hearing all about it penfold ;D

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #258 on: November 19, 2009, 12:42:51 am »
Right - just got back from a great night out at Barrafina followed by Blues Bar. Too pissed to go into detail but just want to say thanks for the recommendation Hass - that place is fucking superb. I'll go into more detail tomorrow.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #259 on: November 19, 2009, 01:54:06 pm »
Right - just got back from a great night out at Barrafina followed by Blues Bar. Too pissed to go into detail but just want to say thanks for the recommendation Hass - that place is fucking superb. I'll go into more detail tomorrow.

i look forward to hearing all about it amigo.  the odds are very high i will be lunching their tomorrow.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #260 on: November 25, 2009, 03:40:22 pm »
Right, it's been a week now since my dinner at Barrafina so I thought it might be a good time to remenisce.

I was going with three others so I was a bit worried about the queue (especially as one of them is an impatient bastard) but I was a bit ore relieved when i got there and realised that there was only one person in the line. When I asked about the queue time, the friendly but stressed Aussie guy said with 4 people it could be 2 minutes or 30 minutes. Luckily we waited about 10 minutes before two couples got up.

We had already been given wines (a cracking Terrasola 2007) and some lovely olives while we were waiting but we ordered a couple of cep croquetas once we sat down. My god they were good. Sometime I find that croquettes are too heavy with all the breadcrumbs and potato but these were so light. The breadcrumbs were perfectly brown and the insides just melted as soon as they hit your tongue. After I had these I knew I was in for a good meal. These were the dishes we ordered:

Classic tortilla - cooked to perfection - another dish I find is sometimes too heavy but this one made me want to have more
Pureed tomatoes on Toast Very simple bruschetta style dish but the tomatoes had so much flavour that I ordered two.
Salchichon - a big breadboard of thinly sliced Spanish sausage - incredible taste and the peppercorns just burst in your mouth. Yummy!!!
Black cabbage - One of the specials on the day. It was marinaded in a sherry vinaigrette and sprinkled with rock salt. It was a very simple dish but the salt dragged the flavours out of the cabbage which mixed wonderfully with the vinaigrette. If you find it on the specials I can recommend it highly!!
Chips with Brava Sauce - The chips were OK but they make a cracking brava sauce to dip them into. It's packed full of flavour so was very moorish.
Octopus with Capers - I wasn't sire how this was going to turn out. I had had octopus before and wasn't that impressed (they eat them whole in Korea which felt a bit weird). These were just bits of the tentacle which made them a lot more palatable, especially with the beautiful capers they sprinkled them with.
Razor Clams - another one of the specials. These were simply cooked in garlic butter but that is honestly all it needed. There was so much taste to these clams - not too salty and not too tough. They were just perfect and the garlic butter complemented them perfectly.
The best dish of the night for me has to be the spanish sausage (wish I could remember the name of it but it was a bit like black pudding) topped with a fried quails egg and served on a bed of pureed peppers. There were so many tastes and it was so rich that they only gave you two but that was more than enough. The delicate egg on top of this thick, heavy, dark meat was a perfect combination and the peppers underneath were a nice touch to clean the palate for the next bite. A real treat - oh I want it again right now!!!!

Had a couple more glasses of wine and then had a lovely Crema Catalana to finish. Not the best one I've ever had but it was still most enjoyable. My friend had a chocolate tart which in my opinion was the better option.

Overall it was an exceptional meal and by far the best tapas I've had in the UK (better than some I had in Spain) so I can't wait to go back, although might be easier with one extra person rather than three. By the end of our meal the queue was going round the corner and they were turning people away so get there early as you can. The service was friendly and I didn't feel too rushed, which is a rarity in overcrowded London restaurants. The price wasn't too bad either. All those dishes (and some we ordered more than once) as well as wine came to £100 + tip for 4 people. Pretty good for Central London. I shall be returning as soon as I possibly can.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #261 on: November 26, 2009, 05:21:51 pm »
nice one penfold very glad you enjoyed it.  i was back there for lunch today and hit up the turbot and gurnard - two very light fish dishes the former a chunk pan roasted with olive oil, garlic and a splash of albarino; the latter served on a tangy bed of wilted spinach with pine nuts and raisins - then got on a meat tip with some slow braised strips of beef tongue with reduced onion marmalade.  its my birthday this weekend so off to the countryside to celebrate so was able to enjoy a couple of very nice glasses of wine too.  its all good.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #262 on: November 26, 2009, 05:53:01 pm »
You also make me very hungry (in a culinary sense) :)

Me too.  It's a big bowl of veg curry and a nice creamy alsace for me tonight, which is delicious. Problem is I'm now salivating at the thought of turbot on a bed of well dressed spinach.

El Camp is another one with a flair for culinary writing, his scribblings in the wine thread regularly whet the taste buds.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #263 on: November 26, 2009, 06:10:51 pm »
I'm never less than amazed with your incredible capacity to recount the exact contents of your food Hass. If I'd had the gurnard, I'd have had the gurnard. It's a skill I'm very jealous of, as it so often frustrates me that I've been out somewhere amazing and just cannot recall exactly what I've had.

You also make me very hungry (in a culinary sense) :)

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #264 on: November 26, 2009, 06:17:38 pm »
I think it's clear by now that Mr Hassinator is, in fact, a menu thief.

i have actually just unearthed a couple of classics today from the river cafe and fino along with a ticket to see the cramps last time they were in london.

actually i've just got a good memory for booze, food, nights out and records to go with it.  if i like it i'm enthusiastic about it.

oh and no menus at barrafina :D

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #265 on: November 27, 2009, 12:29:30 pm »
I'm down by Albert Embankment tomorrow so if there is one place you would go to eat and we could likely to get in... where would you recommend? I've enjoyed places like Oxo and Level 42....

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #266 on: November 27, 2009, 03:44:35 pm »
I'm down by Albert Embankment tomorrow so if there is one place you would go to eat and we could likely to get in... where would you recommend? I've enjoyed places like Oxo and Level 42....

the restaurant at the national theatre is good.  can't remember the name - skylon? - but similar vibe to oxo tower; great food and views of the northbank. 

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #267 on: December 18, 2009, 06:57:45 pm »
I work for American Express Centurion Concierge, and Hassinator has basically lived the life of one of my clients dining wise.  Great list there mate.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #268 on: December 20, 2009, 04:37:58 pm »
I work for American Express Centurion Concierge, and Hassinator has basically lived the life of one of my clients dining wise.  Great list there mate.

tee hee.  nice one walshy.  i'm buying a new house at the minute so i might have to start posting more home cooked action in the new year as i'm going to be basically brassic. 

@lfsea - that sounds like a very tasty night out.  did you try any of their cocktails?  i've been thinking about trying trader vics at the hilton on park lane.  it was the first high end polynesian/ south east asian restaurant in london from the 60s and famous for both its cocktails and tiki bar style of decoration.  i'm fancying a bit of old school nostalgia comparison with some of soho's finest.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #269 on: December 24, 2009, 09:21:23 pm »
Heston just served up door mice on his Christmas feast.

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Edit - It is door mice covered with white chocolate

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #270 on: December 24, 2009, 09:28:35 pm »
Edible dormouse, eaten in Eastern Europe I think.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #271 on: December 29, 2009, 02:00:03 am »
Had a great Christmas and totally forgot to post that I went to Hix for my work Christmas dinner. Bloody brilliant it was. Will post up what I can remember as soon as. Best Christmas meal since Scotts three years ago.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #272 on: January 3, 2010, 05:30:24 pm »
Had a great Christmas and totally forgot to post that I went to Hix for my work Christmas dinner. Bloody brilliant it was. Will post up what I can remember as soon as. Best Christmas meal since Scotts three years ago.

i've still not made it down there but it turns out a friend of mine - an ex-A&r man from emi suffering from the death of the record industry.  they managed to get all the kitchen stuff and fittings mega cheap from the previous owners.  i think i mentioned it was a rather swish cocktail sushi establishment that opened literally the week before the arse fell out of the economy.  matt said that they had gone for a 'money is no object' approach but then had no real business plan.  either way mr hix has landed on his feet.  what did you have to eat?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #273 on: January 3, 2010, 05:42:18 pm »
i've been in chamonix for most the xmas holidays as my girlfriends wee sister livest there and its a usually a lot more fun than going back to the motherland or being stuck with my parents in spain.  this holiday wasn't so much fun though.  we had out flights cancelled twice so were delayed by four days and then when we got there the weather was terrible - tons of rain meant the snow was shit but also visibility was nil so very limited piste action for my aging bones.  still there was one real silver lining.  there is a small, very traditional savoyard restaurant just outside of chamonix town up the valley in argentiere.  its rather hard to find as its up a very steep winding road - not easy to negotiate in a 12 year old peugeout 109 even with snow tires - but so worth the effort.

here's a general review i pulled off the net:

http://www.chamonixinfo.com/Cremerie-du-Glacier

"La Cremerie du Glacier is a very charming, authentic little restaurant at the foot of the Argentiere glacier, hidden in the woods. Local George Ravanel who built a little cabin from which he sold drinks founded it in 1926. The restaurant is still run by the same family who have made the Cremerie into something truly remarkable. To arrive at the restaurant, you can ski down the home run at Les Grands Montets and turn left when you’re ¾ down. In summer you can start walking up the Grands Montets from the bottom station and follow the signs to La Cremerie du Glacier, which stands at a height of 1300 m. It is well worth the trip!

"The restaurant serves traditional Savoyard food like croûtes (toasted cheese on baguettes), omelettes, fondues and there are salads, eggs, charcuterie etc. Everything is home made, and you can taste that! There are special winter and summer menus with great prices. We love to have lunch here while we’re on the piste, or pop in for a quick vin chaud to warm us up. The Cremerie also serves dinner.
The interior of the Cremerie is not as charming as the outside. The owners have kept it simple with plastic tablecloths, lots of wood and grandma’s accessories. But somehow it adds to the whole mountain cabin atmosphere. And once you’ve taste one of their famous croûtes, you won’t mind the decor."


the food is very simple, as far away from the fat duck as its possible to get but i'm absolutely not joking when i tell you i had one of the finest meals of my entire life there.  as it says above the food is super simple.  the emphasis is on local style food - ie fucking loads of cheese - but at literally half the price of the rest of the food on the mountain.  the best way to get there is to actually board or ski down but we took the car option as we were with the family.  no starters - not that kind of place - but straight into the mains. 

i had a dish of potatoes baked with cheese (tomme de cantal); cream; a coarse mountain sausage and some morel mushrooms with a tossed green salad.  quite literally off the scale - if i'm ever confronted with the death penalty this has supplanted the ulster fry or roast chicken and potatoes as the last thing i want to eat on this earth.

lizzy went for one of their croutes which is basically a mega-jazzy cheese on toast that has white wine flicked over it as it grills this time though the creamy cheese topping was mixed with chanterelle mushrooms and again it was delicious but i did feel the clear winner.

since i've got back i've been trying very hard to eat some healthy food as i've fairly managed to pile on the pounds since i hit france.  this is not food to eat every day but if you are in the chamonix valley this place is very worth seeking out by fellow gourmands.

by the way 'gourmand' means glutton in france.  if the beret fits...
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #274 on: January 3, 2010, 05:45:34 pm »
i've been in chamonix for most the xmas holidays as my girlfriends wee sister livest there and its a usually a lot more fun than going back to the motherland or being stuck with my parents in spain.  this holiday wasn't so much fun though.  we had out flights cancelled twice so were delayed by four days and then when we got there the weather was terrible - tons of rain meant the snow was shit but also visibility was nil so very limited piste action for my aging bones.  still there was one real silver lining.  there is a small, very traditional savoyard restaurant just outside of chamonix town up the valley in argentiere.  its rather hard to find as its up a very steep winding road - not easy to negotiate in a 12 year old peugeout 109 even with snow tires - but so worth the effort.

here's a general review i pulled off the net:

http://www.chamonixinfo.com/Cremerie-du-Glacier

"La Cremerie du Glacier is a very charming, authentic little restaurant at the foot of the Argentiere glacier, hidden in the woods. Local George Ravanel who built a little cabin from which he sold drinks founded it in 1926. The restaurant is still run by the same family who have made the Cremerie into something truly remarkable. To arrive at the restaurant, you can ski down the home run at Les Grands Montets and turn left when you’re ¾ down. In summer you can start walking up the Grands Montets from the bottom station and follow the signs to La Cremerie du Glacier, which stands at a height of 1300 m. It is well worth the trip!

"The restaurant serves traditional Savoyard food like croûtes (toasted cheese on baguettes), omelettes, fondues and there are salads, eggs, charcuterie etc. Everything is home made, and you can taste that! There are special winter and summer menus with great prices. We love to have lunch here while we’re on the piste, or pop in for a quick vin chaud to warm us up. The Cremerie also serves dinner.
The interior of the Cremerie is not as charming as the outside. The owners have kept it simple with plastic tablecloths, lots of wood and grandma’s accessories. But somehow it adds to the whole mountain cabin atmosphere. And once you’ve taste one of their famous croûtes, you won’t mind the decor."


the food is very simple, as far away from the fat duck as its possible to get but i'm absolutely not joking when i tell you i had one of the finest meals of my entire life there.  as it says above the food is super simple.  the emphasis is on local style food - ie fucking loads of cheese - but at literally half the price of the rest of the food on the mountain.  the best way to get there is to actually board or ski down but we took the car option as we were with the family.  no starters - not that kind of place - but straight into the mains. 

i had a dish of potatoes baked with cheese (tomme de cantal); cream; a coarse mountain sausage and some morel mushrooms with a tossed green salad.  quite literally off the scale - if i'm ever confronted with the death penalty this has supplanted the ulster fry or roast chicken and potatoes as the last thing i want to eat on this earth.

lizzy went for one of their croutes which is basically a mega-jazzy cheese on toast that has white wine flicked over it as it grills this time though the creamy cheese topping was mixed with chanterelle mushrooms and again it was delicious but i did feel the clear winner.

since i've got back i've been trying very hard to eat some healthy food as i've fairly managed to pile on the pounds since i hit france.  this is not food to eat every day but if you are in the chamonix valley this place is very worth seeking out by fellow gourmands.

by the way 'gourmand' means glutton in france.  if the beret fits...

Hass, stop there every year on the way to Umbria/Tuscany, will try it next time, thanks.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #275 on: January 3, 2010, 06:04:49 pm »
Hass, stop there every year on the way to Umbria/Tuscany, will try it next time, thanks.

enjoy sir.  in a mountain resort with a lot of over priced restaurants serving very poor food this was quite the place and only €9 for lunch.

there are two 3 star restaurants in the valley but i tend to do a lot of cooking when i'm in chamonix as we're staying with family.

i cooked a very reasonable whole fillet of steak for €25 with some pommes dauphinoise as our last meal with some cracking margaux.

this is very specifically why i'm on brown rice and water tonight ;-)

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #276 on: January 3, 2010, 06:08:33 pm »
enjoy sir.  in a mountain resort with a lot of over priced restaurants serving very poor food this was quite the place and only €9 for lunch.

there are two 3 star restaurants in the valley but i tend to do a lot of cooking when i'm in chamonix as we're staying with family.

i cooked a very reasonable whole fillet of steak for €25 with some pommes dauphinoise as our last meal with some cracking margaux.

this is very specifically why i'm on brown rice and water tonight ;-)

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #277 on: January 3, 2010, 10:06:42 pm »
Stopped at the Three Horseshoes in Bennett End after the Reading game.  The chef/owner has previously worked at the Connaught and La Gavroche and has taken that training and transferred it to a simplified menu at more pub like prices.  You're not going to get anything new that will blow your mind but you do get classics that are impeccably cooked.

I had pan fried foie gras, on brioche with rhubarb and red wine reduction to start, the Mrs had seared scallops, black pudding and celeriac cream.  Then we both went for turbot with crushed potato and shallot sauce which was gorgeous. 

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« Reply #278 on: January 3, 2010, 10:25:40 pm »
Speaking of Soho, has anyone been to Yauatcha? Thinking of booking it for our work Christmas dinner and wondered if it was worth it.

Used to go there a lot - not so much recently. I didn't realise Yau had sold it. He's just opened his new place in Whiteleys - Cha Cha Moon. Not bad.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #279 on: January 3, 2010, 10:29:43 pm »
my office was just up the street so i tended to take clients there on a friday but these days its all about barrafina - i'm going again today :-) - have you checked that one out jp?  you can't book but very much worth making an effort for.

@penfold - very much looking forward to how you get on.  i'm taking my girlfriends mum out for a birthday dinner and wanted to go somewhere nice.  i'm thinking of bistrotheque in hackney as i'm going to disco bloodbath afterwards but i've only been for a set sunday lunch there before.  is it any good?

http://www.bistrotheque.com/sub.php?ID=24

Took the office there for Christmas Dinner the year before last. Really enjoyed it.
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