Author Topic: Torres and Gerrard to Fire Liverpool to League Glory? (Read 7473 times)

rebel23 · « **on:** July 8, 2008, 11:02:50 pm »

When Gerrard played behind Torres in the league last season the result was: 8 wins 1 loss

that's an average of 2.66 points per game * 32 games, chuck in a few draws and losses and that's over 90 points and therefore the title.

so for all those coming up with new formations please, please send a message to the manager:

DONT MESS WITH THIS SYSTEM

Austrian_Liverpudlian _92 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:06:57 pm »

Gerrard plays behind Torres = Liverpool wins.... iiit's sooooo eeeeesahy

Fat Scouser · « **Reply #2 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:13:13 pm »

Quote from: rebel23 on July 8, 2008, 11:02:50 pm

When Gerrard played behind Torres in the league last season the result was: 8 wins 1 loss

that's an average of 2.66 points per game * 32 games, chuck in a few draws and losses and that's over 90 points and therefore the title.

so for all those coming up with new formations please, please send a message to the manager:

DONT MESS WITH THIS SYSTEM

OK.

Sarge · « **Reply #3 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:16:07 pm »

Quote from: FAT SCOUSER on July 8, 2008, 11:13:13 pm

OK.

Sir Capon of Debaser · « **Reply #4 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:17:49 pm »

cool.....but?

Jaws 2 was shit ,although it had the same system

Sarge · « **Reply #5 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:18:54 pm »

Quote from: Captain Tsubasa on July 8, 2008, 11:17:49 pm

cool.....but?

Jaws 2 was shit ,although it had the same system

Beg to differ, big shark eating people.

GarethLFC · « **Reply #6 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:21:37 pm »

Did Benitez only play that formation 9 times last season? Doesnt sound right to me but i could be wrong!!

Sir Capon of Debaser · « **Reply #7 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:21:45 pm »

Quote from: Sarge on July 8, 2008, 11:18:54 pm

Beg to differ, big shark eating people.

yes ,but just cos it worked once,doesnt mean its gonna again does it?

Sarge · « **Reply #8 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:22:34 pm »

Quote from: Captain Tsubasa on July 8, 2008, 11:21:45 pm

yes ,but just cos it worked once,doesnt mean its gonna again does it?

Stupid is as stupid does.

Sir Capon of Debaser · « **Reply #9 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:23:18 pm »

Quote from: Sarge on July 8, 2008, 11:22:34 pm

Stupid is as stupid does.

fuck you ,you fucking fucka

Sarge · « **Reply #10 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:23:38 pm »

Quote from: GarethLFC on July 8, 2008, 11:21:37 pm

Did Benitez only play that formation 9 times last season? Doesnt sound right to me but i could be wrong!!

Could possibly be. It was very late on in the season and 9 games is quater of the league games.

Schmidt · « **Reply #11 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:26:12 pm »

Quote from: GarethLFC on July 8, 2008, 11:21:37 pm

Did Benitez only play that formation 9 times last season? Doesnt sound right to me but i could be wrong!!

It was used a lot in the CL games, then changed when players like Torres and Gerrard were rested, so 9 is probably right.

I do like the system, however towards the end of the season we had the benefit of rested players who were still in top form, whereas a lot of our opponents were looking pretty worn out and not at their best.

When the new season starts we'll have sharper opponents who won't be so easily outpaced by Torres and will be fighting for Uefa Cup football, to avoid relegation, to win the league, etc.

Sarge · « **Reply #12 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:28:00 pm »

Quote from: Schmidt on July 8, 2008, 11:26:12 pm

It was used a lot in the CL games, then changed when players like Torres and Gerrard were rested.

I do like the system, however towards the end of the season we had the benefit of rested players who were still in top form, whereas a lot of our opponents were looking pretty worn out and not at their best.

When the new season starts we'll have sharper opponents who won't be so easily outpaced by Torres and will be fighting for Uefa Cup football, to avoid relegation, to win the league, etc.

Not agreeing with you on this point. Our lads where not fresh you know.

GarethLFC · « **Reply #13 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:28:38 pm »

Could possibly be. It was very late on in the season and 9 games is quater of the league games.

Didnt look at it like that and i suppose there were games towards end of season when he didnt. Arsenal away being one!!

Interesting! But im betting on Torres being used sparingly early part of next season, if Rafa stays true to his beliefs about keeping people Fresh!! HOPE IM WRONG

Schmidt · « **Reply #14 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:29:12 pm »

Quote from: Sarge on July 8, 2008, 11:28:00 pm

Not agreeing with you on this point. Our lads where not fresh you know.

Maybe not the whole squad, but the majority were still in better shape than a lot of the teams we faced.

Garstonite · « **Reply #15 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:29:45 pm »

I think we've been using it since Chelsea away.

I work that out as 14 league games.

Quote from: GarethLFC on July 8, 2008, 11:28:38 pm

Didnt look at it like that and i suppose there were games towards end of season when he didnt. Arsenal away being one!!

Reina
Finnan Carragher Skrtel Arbeloa
Lucas Plessis
Pennant Benayoun Riise
Crouch

Same system, different personnel. Best result we've got away to Arsenal under Rafa still.

Schmidt · « **Reply #16 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:32:59 pm »

Quote from: Garstonite on July 8, 2008, 11:29:45 pm

I think we've been using it since Chelsea away.

I work that out as 14 league games.

Reina
Finnan Carragher Skrtel Arbeloa
Lucas Plessis
Pennant Benayoun Riise
Crouch

It was more like

Reina
Finnan Carragher Skrtel Arbeloa
Plessis
Pennant Lucas Benayoun Riise
Crouch

Plessis was the only player who really stayed back, with Lucas and Benayoun supporting Crouch a lot.

Aldridge 8 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:35:00 pm »

Quote from: rebel23 on July 8, 2008, 11:02:50 pm

When Gerrard played behind Torres in the league last season the result was: 8 wins 1 loss

that's an average of 2.66 points per game * 32 games, chuck in a few draws and losses and that's over 90 points and therefore the title.

so for all those coming up with new formations please, please send a message to the manager:

DONT MESS WITH THIS SYSTEM

gerrard is not a second striker and if he keeps playing him there liverpool will fail , a proper foil for torres is needed .

Fat Scouser · « **Reply #18 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:38:32 pm »

Lad don't you realise.... The bounce is so last year.
LET'S WOBBLE!

ALANM · « **Reply #19 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:40:55 pm »

I take the point about Torres being used sparingly early on. I'd much prefer it though if he started every Premiership game, and was maybe taken off after an hour or so early season if we were a couple of goals in front.

NornIron!! · « **Reply #20 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:46:58 pm »

Am I the only one that thinks we need another striker. Just what is going to happen if Torres breaks his leg? We need more quality up top

GarethLFC · « **Reply #21 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:48:42 pm »

Quote from: ALANM on July 8, 2008, 11:40:55 pm

I take the point about Torres being used sparingly early on. I'd much prefer it though if he started every Premier League game, and was maybe taken off after an hour or so early season if we were a couple of goals in front.

I would much prefer it that way! Cant see it but fingers crossed

Sarge · « **Reply #22 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:51:17 pm »

Depends on what Rafa has as is priority?

Crazyhorse7778 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:53:02 pm »

Quote from: Aldridge 8 on July 8, 2008, 11:35:00 pm

gerrard is not a second striker and if he keeps playing him there liverpool will fail , a proper foil for torres is needed .

Sarge · « **Reply #24 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:54:58 pm »

Quote from: NornIron!! on July 8, 2008, 11:46:58 pm

Am I the only one that thinks we need another striker. Just what is going to happen if Torres breaks his leg? We need more quality up top

No we do and Babel, Kuyt and Gerrard are not that person but all have pivotal roles to play. Keane on the other hand.......

GarethLFC · « **Reply #25 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:56:12 pm »

Probably wrong thread, but BBC sport carrying story were Benitez is quoted as saying " David Villa is on our list but it may be difficult" or words to that effect.

Didnt know how to start new thread!!

Apologies

rebel23 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 8, 2008, 11:57:00 pm »

just double checked, better than I thought.. 10 games, 9 wins 1 loss (league and starts only)

3 - 2      Middlesbrough
3 - 1     Bolton
4 - 0     West Ham
3 - 0     Newcastle
2 - 1     Reading
0 - 3     Man Utd
1 - 0     Everton
3 - 1     Blackburn
1 - 0     Man City
2 - 0     Tottenham

edit: oh yeah I didnt count Spurs away because Voronin played and i didnt know what he was playing as $:-\$

MHLC · « **Reply #27 on:** July 9, 2008, 03:41:29 am »

I'd suggest you need a slightly larger sample than 9 games in order to start trumpeting two players as being the answer to winning the league....

Mascherrardorres · « **Reply #28 on:** July 9, 2008, 05:01:06 am »

Quote from: Phileas Fogg on July 9, 2008, 03:41:29 am

I'd suggest you need a slightly larger sample than 9 games in order to start trumpeting two players as being the answer to winning the league....

Second that.

JanMolby05 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 9, 2008, 05:08:46 am »

If this topic had a sexual preference it would be a raging homosexual

Vinny1892 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 9, 2008, 08:26:27 am »

Quote from: NornIron!! on July 8, 2008, 11:46:58 pm

Am I the only one that thinks we need another striker. Just what is going to happen if Torres breaks his leg? We need more quality up top

Quote from Rafa (BBC) "We have Torres, Voronin, Kuyt, Babel and Steven Gerrard, who can play as a second striker," Benitez said. "But we will try to bring in another option.

"Villa we know all about. He is on our list. But maybe it will be difficult."

lincolnred-dad · « **Reply #31 on:** July 9, 2008, 08:40:31 am »

Quote from: rebel23 on July 8, 2008, 11:02:50 pm

When Gerrard played behind Torres in the league last season the result was: 8 wins 1 loss

that's an average of 2.66 points per game * 32 games, chuck in a few draws and losses and that's over 90 points and therefore the title.

so for all those coming up with new formations please, please send a message to the manager:

DONT MESS WITH THIS SYSTEM

great thats all we need. all our eggs in one basket and no back-up! so what happens if we play that formation and it doesn't work in the other 20 odd games a season?

not trying to be negative but people learn how to play against a system and if we only did one then it would get counterd by about xmas. other formations are needed to ensure success.

DuncMcD · « **Reply #32 on:** July 9, 2008, 08:56:53 am »

Quote from: rebel23 on July 8, 2008, 11:57:00 pm

just double checked, better than I thought.. 10 games, 9 wins 1 loss (league and starts only)

3 - 2       Middlesbrough
3 - 1     Bolton
4 - 0     West Ham
3 - 0     Newcastle
2 - 1     Reading
0 - 3     Man Utd
1 - 0     Everton
3 - 1     Blackburn
1 - 0     Man City
2 - 0     Tottenham

edit: oh yeah I didnt count Spurs away because Voronin played and i didnt know what he was playing as $:-\$

I'm sure Rafa first used Gerrard behind Torres at home against Wigan. Unfortunately Titus Shambles equalised with a screamer & we were roundly lambasted in the press for playing five in midfield...

Aldridge 8 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 9, 2008, 09:01:53 am »

Benitez has now come out in the interview about David villa quoting Steven Gerrard is a second striker , well if that's the case i think we can forget about any sort of challenge for the league because Steven Gerrard is NOT a second striker , yes he can play there but it shouldn't even be an issue , in the big games last season he got found out , yes against the lesser teams he was brilliant with torres , but surely a proper foil for torres would be a much better option instead of playing Gerrard there instead of Gerrard being in midfield centre or right , we need a player to play with Torres in the mould of dalglish,litmanen,bergkamp,dare i say it rooney , there the types of player that should be considered not gerrard.

No666 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 9, 2008, 09:34:58 am »

Quote

Benitez has now come out in the interview about David villa quoting Steven Gerrard is a second striker

Did he not say he CAN play as second striker, not IS. Subtle but important difference.

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #35 on:** July 9, 2008, 09:43:53 am »

This whole purchasing Villa and second striker scenario raises so many questions for me.

Would Villa at liverpool mean that our formation stays as 4-2-3-1?

If so does, Villa play behind Torres or visa-versa?

Would this mean Gerrard moves out to the right?

Is this beneficial for his play?

If we go back to 4-4-2 would this mean another big purchase is needed for the wings?

If not does this mean Gerrard is going to play wide?

Is this beneficial to the overall team?

My head hurts.

cjc9020801Beverly Hills · « **Reply #36 on:** July 9, 2008, 10:52:04 am »

ok, but what about gerrard behind torres and villa, with kuyt on right, babel on left, masc/alonso/barry holding?

reina

finn/degen/arbeloa carra/agger/skrtl/sami dossena/arbeloa

barry/alonso/masc/lucas

kuyt/babel/yossi gerrard yossi/babel

villa torres

brussels sprout · « **Reply #37 on:** July 9, 2008, 11:00:06 am »

The big sticking point is the 1 game we lost. Prior to the sending off we were still second best, with Torres looking increasingly isolated. The two semis against Chelsea we were better but Torres was still lacking support at times. The system works but I think we need another top drawer striker to utilise in a plan B or in place of Torres when Rafa rotates.

lincolnred-dad · « **Reply #38 on:** July 9, 2008, 11:21:59 am »

reina
arbeloa carra agger dossena

masch

babel barry
gerrard

torres
villa

if press speculation and wanted purchases are forthcoming

looks ok to me

bill69 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 9, 2008, 11:27:06 am »

Quote from: rebel23 on July 8, 2008, 11:57:00 pm

just double checked, better than I thought.. 10 games, 9 wins 1 loss (league and starts only)

3 - 2       Middlesbrough
3 - 1     Bolton
4 - 0     West Ham
3 - 0     Newcastle
2 - 1     Reading
0 - 3     Man Utd
1 - 0     Everton
3 - 1     Blackburn
1 - 0     Man City
2 - 0     Tottenham

edit: oh yeah I didnt count Spurs away because Voronin played and i didnt know what he was playing as $:-\$

And as Garstonite said, Chelsea away too...