Topic: New Stadium...work started story on lfc.tv

[T-1000]

Davey G, give it up you're dying a slow death. If you actually had any valid points in all the nonsense you've posted then

1. It's already been debated to death
2. No one likes arguing with a condescending prat

[Davey G]

But we wouldn't be saddled with paying the interest for the purchase of the club under other buyers.

Have you got any hard evidence for this?

Or is just yet more DIC spin and fantasy?

[smicer07]

Torres, Masch etc could just as easily have 'happened' under a dozen regimes because it's all done with loans. There's nothing beneficial T&T have done for this club that is exclusive to their tenure, and in saddling us with the debt for their purchase there are intrinsic detrimental consequences. How bad, or otherwise, these detrimental consequences will prove, none of us yet knows. If they don't back Rafa in the transfer window this summer, it will be a depressing pointer. (For myself, I hope that they will, will start the stadium and then will fuck off.)

Moores couldn't get the loans, that's why he sold up! And with that, I exit the thread as it's becoming yet another tiresome argument about the owners.

[Davey G]

I applaud the fans taking part in the protests, I think it is great that SOS is trying.

I don't. They're misguided, reactionary fools, making a mockery of our once fine reputation.

They reguarly contradict themselves on an epic scale, pushing their outdated socialist ideals, and in the same breath advocating being owned by a sovereign state/sugar daddy, who will spend all their own money on the best players in the world and build us a stadium for nothing in return.

[No666]

1] I did not mention DIC.

However, Mihir Bose examined the possible resale to DIC earlier in the year and said the amount of debt on the club would change. Possibly he is not correct.

2]I did not mention Moores.

Most of us live in hope of an owner/owners who have some knowledge of our club and its traditions; and also manage the balance between sporting success and profit with greater grace than T&T. It's perfectly possible.

[satmann]

That's harsh on Antony. He's just a bit misguided.

The sad thing is, there's more people like him in SOS who actually believe all that martyrdom, 'fight the good fight' working class hero shite they spout.

The reality is G&H are still here, despite the minority of militants, and all the spin and bullshit that's gone on. The only way they are leaving is on their terms. Get used to it or fuck off to AFC Liverpool.

They won't finish the stadium. Just started  it too get more money for themselves. Theres a recession going on the money will also dry up in football. When they brought the club it was boom time and they could have got Billion for the club.

[The_Last_Don]

Have you got any hard evidence for this?

Or is just yet more DIC spin and fantasy?

I dont think many of us deny that DIC will take out some sort of loan, but picture this, if things go tits up for DIC they have the financial strength to write off 100/200 mil, without having to flinch, this is ofcourse if they spend big but dont win anything and LFC dont qualify for champ. league.

Now in the above scenario could G&H write off 100/200 mil and still keep the club afloat? have a long hard think and spin it for me, cos there's only one answer!

[kev_goss]

Fuck me sly sports are quick they just announced it as news just in.

[jonnygeeart]

the only ones making a mockery of our once fine reputation is the current owners

[zero zero]

Well, I'm glad some kind of work has started at last. Though I seem t remember that there was/was going to be a push from the council to get things moving.

It also seems that one big hole in the ground is pretty much the same as another, so it doesn't appear that T&T are guaranteed to stay. And any prospective owner won't be scared off having to finish off someone else's stadium.

Glad that preparation has started, and happier still that SoS got there first.

[Antony]

I don't. They're misguided, reactionary fools, making a mockery of our once fine reputation.

They reguarly contradict themselves on an epic scale, pushing their outdated socialist ideals, and in the same breath advocating being owned by a sovereign state/sugar daddy, who will spend all their own money on the best players in the world and build us a stadium for nothing in return.

2 Questions

Have you visited the SOS website?

If so have you seen their aims?

And this whole 'Sugar Daddy' thing, have you sat with your hands over your ears and shouted 'If I don't hear it it's not illegal' when people have said that NO ONE EXPECTED A SUGAR DADDY?

Oh and this 'DIC Spin' where is this spin? Can you give me quotes where DIC have said what they would/wouldn't do differently? And if they said anything WHY they couldn't do it?

[Antony]

That's harsh on Antony. He's just a bit misguided.

The sad thing is, there's more people like him in SOS who actually believe all that martyrdom, 'fight the good fight' working class hero shite they spout.

The reality is G&H are still here, despite the minority of militants, and all the spin and bullshit that's gone on. The only way they are leaving is on their terms. Get used to it or fuck off to AFC Liverpool.

Such narrowminded, ignorant, arrogant and wind up merchant bullshit.

[Liverbird 2010]

making a mockery of our once fine reputation.

and what the fuck have our owners done to our reputation? And humiliating our manager, your talkin out yer arse.

[Gnurglan]

Deja vu?

The new stadium has been up for debate over the past 7 years and we are yet to place the first piece of a foundation. I may be mistaken. It could be more than 7 years and it can be less, but let's just say that I will believe it once I see it.

[Antony]

Deja vu?

The new stadium has been up for debate over the past 7 years and we are yet to place the first piece of a foundation. I may be mistaken. It could be more than 7 years and it can be less, but let's just say that I will believe it once I see it.

But this time it will be different....

Apparently....

[Gnurglan]

But this time it will be different....

Apparently....

The press release probably came at a different time to last year...

[messa113]

I don't. They're misguided, reactionary fools, making a mockery of our once fine reputation.

They reguarly contradict themselves on an epic scale, pushing their outdated socialist ideals, and in the same breath advocating being owned by a sovereign state/sugar daddy, who will spend all their own money on the best players in the world and build us a stadium for nothing in return.

do us all a favour and fuck off 

[nidgemo]

Wow. Is it 60 days already?

How time flies.

[Rigden]

I don't. They're misguided, reactionary fools, making a mockery of our once fine reputation.

They reguarly contradict themselves on an epic scale, pushing their outdated socialist ideals, and in the same breath advocating being owned by a sovereign state/sugar daddy, who will spend all their own money on the best players in the world and build us a stadium for nothing in return.

i think he's a manc

[anfield]

Who paid for the likes of Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves?

If you think anyone other than us and the banks will pay for any signings under DIC, you're even more naive than I thought.

It's Dubai Holdings that is interested now, that is a big, big difference. DIC is out of the picture. Almost the same people involved but it's a big difference.

DIC wouldn't have been able to splash the cash because of their business reputation. Nothing is stopping Dubai Holdings doing that. It will be Sheikh Mo who will pull the strings and he is a winner and won't be happy with second place.

As he usually points out, think big, think bigger.

When Dubai Holdings buy us out we won't have anymore problems with money, you can take my word on that.

[The Flying Pig]

Does this mean they've been able to get a loan to buy the spade?

Or are they just renting it?

[Gnurglan]

Does this mean they've been able to get a loan to buy the spade?

Or are they just renting it?

Haven't been able to find one yet. Must be looking in the wrong places. After so many years, one would have thought they'd be able to find a spade so things could begin.

[Dick Emery]

This means for certain that the stadium will be built. Everyone who said the americans were classless idiots ought to be eating humble pie now.

[ttnbd]

This means for certain that the stadium will be built. Everyone who said the americans were classless idiots ought to be eating humble pie now.

Let them have their moan.

They were moaning at the old AFL design, then jumped for joy when the revised design was announced in July 2007, then moaned because the club looked to revise them to ensure they stayed in budget, then moaned that they looked the same as the ones they were jumping for joy with in july, then they moaned that work hadn't started and now they are moaning that work appears to be starting.

[Rome-77]

This means for certain that the stadium will be built. Everyone who said the americans were classless idiots ought to be eating humble pie now.

must be a wind up

[Dick Emery]

must be a wind up

No, no. Stands to reason. Work has started therefore everything must be going ahead. Most definitely. It can't be pointless posturing and a cheap PR stunt can it? I mean, they'll raise the extra £350 million to build it, no problem. People are throwing their money around like there's no tomorrow at the moment and access to cheap capital is a doddle when you are 2 highly respected business geniuses like G&H.

[coffeehead]

Whatever your views of the yanks and where the money has come from, in the past year they have sanctioned deals for players of the calibre of Torres, Mascherano and Babel, and we've finally started work on the new stadium, all of which would never have happened under the previous regime

Now, they might not be as rich as DIC, and want to make a profit, but does that sound like someone who doesn't want major success?

Yep. You tick all the boxes

[coffeehead]

This means for certain that the stadium will be built. Everyone who said the americans were classless idiots ought to be eating humble pie now.

Why?

[stjohn65]

whoosh....

[Dick Emery]

Why?

I don't mean it. I was just joining in with the comments of support just to see what it felt like to be a moron.

[Gnurglan]

Why?

Nothing beats a good humble pie, while watching the new stadium being built. You'll love it.

[Mimi]

Let them have their moan.

They were moaning at the old AFL design, then jumped for joy when the revised design was announced in July 2007, then moaned because the club looked to revise them to ensure they stayed in budget , then moaned that they looked the same as the ones they were jumping for joy with in july , then they moaned that work hadn't started and now they are moaning that work appears to be starting.

Sorry Tim, I respect a lot of what you have to say and I think your faith in G&H to build the stadium has alleviated some of my worries of their entire ownership, but I wouldn't agree with the part I bolded. People were jumping for joy in July because G&H flashed the new plans with a lot of fanfare and gave off the impression that the stadium would be imminent. At the time, G&H hadn't done much to anger supporters. Their subsequent climb down from that high was a bit graceless especially as the excuse given was a credit crunch- something a lot of people had seen coming and so why didn't they plan a cost-effective stadium from the beginning. And also even if no credit crunch, why weren't they looking to make it cost-effective from the beginning especially as neither are super rich.  Arguably we could be a year into the new stadium but for this slip-up we are one year behind schedule. Also you seem confident that we'll get a better stadium naming sponsorship than Arsenal- so I hope that comes to pass. What I wonder is whether they will be able to attract someone to the 15% 150 million equity injection that they offered DIC. As I believed that was one of the ways you said they would make the stadium work.

I don't mind people saying we should hold back vitriol from G&H but I equally find it strange that some are willing to look back on past events and have G&H emerge unscathed and that their current detractors have just based their hate on thin air. G&H have screwed up plenty of times and that should never be forgotten. In regards to this stadium, the need to have to revise their own plans, was a mistake solely of their own doing, and that is why people will continue to view their future presentation of their stadium plans with suspicion until the stadium is built.

[Football CRAZY]

Let them have their moan.

They were moaning at the old AFL design, then jumped for joy when the revised design was announced in July 2007, then moaned because the club looked to revise them to ensure they stayed in budget, then moaned that they looked the same as the ones they were jumping for joy with in july, then they moaned that work hadn't started and now they are moaning that work appears to be starting.

Sums it up. This 60 days thing, everyone knows that was for the Parrybowl. Before they decided to scrap it and design a better one, that can fit 73,000 people instead of stuck on 60,000. So why do people keep bringing it up? Unless people would rather have the Parrybowl than this one. In which case thank fuck Share-Liverpool failed.

[Gus 1855]

Assuming the Stadium plans are genuine, and given that is what Twit and Twat's future wealth is based on.

It is probably one of the few positives that have come out of this mess. The stadium is a very good design, whether it starts at 61,000 or 73,000 it is very exciting.

Regardess of who owns the club, I hope this design stays.

[lawrie]

Assuming the Stadium plans are genuine, and given that is what Twit and Twat's future wealth is based on.

It is probably one of the few positives that have come out of this mess. The stadium is a very good design, whether it starts at 61,000 or 73,000 it is very exciting.

Regardess of who owns the club, I hope this design stays.

I agree that the stadium looks pretty special, but I can't help it, it just feels tainted now

[Gus 1855]

I agree that the stadium looks pretty special, but I can't help it, it just feels tainted now

I see where you are coming from, but once we get in there and give it a YWNA it will be fine.

[Helly]

Your last point is true though. The sad fact is that they are here, and they will decide when they will leave and for what price, that is assuming of course that the banks don't force their hand which is not beyond the realms of possibility.

I applaud the fans taking part in the protests, I think it is great that SOS is trying. Unfortunately I also know how business works and know that not being liked and a few protests will make no difference, the bottom line and profitability will.

Two very important points there that need to be linked, you acknowledge that the banks could force their hands but you feel that protests and not being liked wont harm them.  We live in an age of global communication, yes Hicks and Gillett may not be bothered about the protests (though I reckon they are) but its a safe bet that they are not the only people finding out about these protests.  The banks find out about them as well.  In my humble opinion the best chance we have is to make the banks think they are not a good investment.

This is just my own thoughts, funny how I am now paranoid to say anything on this subject in case people think I am talking on behalf of SOS and not as myself.

[Exiled109er]

Thank fuck Share-Liverpool failed.

Has it?

[KiNki]

The banks find out about them as well.  In my humble opinion the best chance we have is to make the banks think they are not a good investment.

the banks only care about money too, if they get the repayments on time they'll carry on doing business with em.

Has it?

Share lfc wanna buy the club and havent raised anywhere near enough so in that respect yeah. i doubt they raise 500 million. if they are lucky, and if theycould raise the money asap they might be able to get their foot in the door with 15per cent at 150m.

i wonder would folk have a preference to share lfc owning 15percent or dic getting their footin with 15percent in a senario of at least one yank remaining.

[The Flying Pig]

Two very important points there that need to be linked, you acknowledge that the banks could force their hands but you feel that protests and not being liked wont harm them.  We live in an age of global communication, yes Hicks and Gillett may not be bothered about the protests (though I reckon they are) but its a safe bet that they are not the only people finding out about these protests.  The banks find out about them as well.  In my humble opinion the best chance we have is to make the banks think they are not a good investment.

This is just my own thoughts, funny how I am now paranoid to say anything on this subject in case people think I am talking on behalf of SOS and not as myself.

Well said,that fan.

The only thing we CAN do is protest and make it as visual as possible.

G+H will take no notice but the banks might.