Topic: No New Stadium Unveiled

[LiamG]

My photshopped bigger AFL Kop

[GinKop]

What's a "No New Stadium Unveiled"?

[Sir Harvest Fields]

What's a "No New Stadium Unveiled"?

nothing to do with me lol

[CRAZY HORSE EMLYN]

re AFL design.
I've held back any comments on our proposed stadium so far, but having just seen the AFL proposal overall I'm relieved which direction we've taken. The AFL design's exterior is a bad mix of bits of Wembley, OT, Emirates and Cardiff imo. There are a lot of dire and dated extra design elements too, like those dodgy red entrance swooshes.

What I would say is that the interior of the stadium probably excites me more than the HKS stadium – I'm still concerned about these wierd gaps either side of the proposed new Kop... does anyone know if there are still options to fill those areas?

[LiamG]

I'm still concerned about these wierd gaps either side of the proposed new Kop... does anyone know if there are still options to fill those areas?

I dont think so because there is huge steel supports there

[xavidub]

re AFL design.
I've held back any comments on our proposed stadium so far, but having just seen the AFL proposal overall I'm relieved which direction we've taken. The AFL design's exterior is a bad mix of bits of Wembley, OT, Emirates and Cardiff imo. There are a lot of dire and dated extra design elements too, like those dodgy red entrance swooshes.

What I would say is that the interior of the stadium probably excites me more than the HKS stadium – I'm still concerned about these wierd gaps either side of the proposed new Kop... does anyone know if there are still options to fill those areas?

Hot dog stands, a guy playing an organ, some heavily sponsored cheerleaders and a Monster Truck for the half-time show

[the jesus]

There are a lot of dire and dated extra design elements too, like those dodgy red entrance swooshes.

And the Arches....... pointless. Looks like they stuck them on as an afterthought in an attempt to make it look less generic.

[CRAZY HORSE EMLYN]

of course... they're saving the space for theatre style corporate boxes...

[Bennyo]

That AFL one IS the Emirates!! 





Thank god we're not getting the Parry bowl!

[stueya]

The Arches on the AFL one have been taken from the Olympic stadium in Athens

[Roblaar]

And the Arches....... pointless. Looks like they stuck them on as an afterthought in an attempt to make it look less generic.

They are holding the roof up.

[Roblaar]

The Arches on the AFL one have been taken from the Olympic stadium in Athens

The Athens stadium incorporates a torsion tube.

[horne]

could imagine a load of young scals climbing  those arches just before kick off..

[Met]

What's up with the players on the AFL stadium? None of the kits looks like Liverpoolkits ffs.

Those bastards

[LiamG]

What's up with the players on the AFL stadium? None of the kits looks like Liverpoolkits ffs.

Those bastards

I think there old pictures

[Football CRAZY]

Spent ages looking at it and although it's very nice, I still think it's too much like the emirates and De Luz for my liking. I looks nothing like anfield inside, and is facing the wrong way on the park. I think that's what has lost AFL the contract. They are talented in designing standard, good football stadiums. But they haven't got that flair and ability to think outside the box that HKS have shown. They managed to create a unique design with an interior that looks very similar to the current anfield only much bigger. I think that's what won it for them. AFL designed a textbook exterior with the interior of a De Luz, an Emirates, with a touch of Veledrome. It's great, and would still probably be the best ground in the League. but it isn't an Anfield.

[Georgi_Angelovski]

By the way, these are the designs for the new Spartak Moscow stadium (from 2006)

[LiamG]

looks like a crab

[Regi]

Retractable pitch will mean less chance of snow covered CL games.

I have to say, I don't think the AFL Anfield looks too bad.
It looks like a proper football stadium inside.
If DIC were really interested in the original AFL Parry Bowl and took up this plan, I'd be more than happy

[fernando torres]

Hicks has made the right decision for once on the stadium choice

[coffeehead]

Thanks zigzackly, interesting to see what AFL designed

Not very impressed with the outside. The HKS is better looking. Not sure about internal dynamics and all that.

[redprodigal]

Not very impressed with the outside. The HKS is better looking. Not sure about internal dynamics and all that.

An impressive bowl but a bowl just the same. Our owners have actually got something right at last. The one they've chosen is easily the best. We deserve something unique and we will have it if the HKS one goes ahead. With the AFL design the Kop looks the same as the other end. The HKS one has steeper stands and is closer to the pitch which is what we all want. Just like the San Siro etc. it will give us a much better atmosphere than the crap bowls. We don't want a bowl, they're boring, we want something different that everybody else will be jealous of, and the HKS stadium is exactly that. For god's sake start digging soon.

[coffeehead]

looks like a crab

It certainly looks like it might get off and scuttle away at any moment

[jaycc]

Dont give a flying shit about the Stadium.  Will just remind me to much of the G&H era, even when they have long gone (if our club has not vanished by that time)

[CRAZY HORSE EMLYN]

Do you get the feeling that the new stadium plans may be as much about american bombast as about our identity and heritage? I'm broadly in favour of the stadium design (esp after seeing the alternative), but I've got this nagging thought there's something a bit muscle-car bout the thing... all the chunky chrome work maybe.
Can't change that though. Really that's just the shell and it's how the club retains it's identity within that.

Be interesting to see how the all the details develop. These big screen shaped spaces cutaway in the stadium exterior, for instance, don't seem to have a purpose yet. Is there some sort of ongoing fan forum / consultation process regarding what is going to happen with things like the Shankly gates? [obviously the Hillsborough memorial is a seperate issue]. Anyone know?

[Trousers]

Cro-bar this end:

Into this stadium:

Bish Bash Bosh. Jobs done. Everybody happy.

[albertared]

An impressive bowl but a bowl just the same. Our owners have actually got something right at last. The one they've chosen is easily the best. We deserve something unique and we will have it if the HKS one goes ahead. With the AFL design the Kop looks the same as the other end. The HKS one has steeper stands and is closer to the pitch which is what we all want. Just like the San Siro etc. it will give us a much better atmosphere than the crap bowls. We don't want a bowl, they're boring, we want something different that everybody else will be jealous of, and the HKS stadium is exactly that. For god's sake start digging soon.

my view is that there is a very fine line between "different" or "unique" and.... "weird", "ugly", "embarrassing", "freakish".....not sure we are on the right side of this line to be honest.

[albertared]

My photshopped bigger AFL Kop

i can't stand the look of this...these open sided stands look too much like the open-air yankee football stadiums...no soul.

the way i see things is this....Hicks will decide what we get and nothing that is said here will make a shred of difference.

i would have no problem with this if he had paid cash for his shares...he would thus have earned the right to decide...but, as he is getting supporters to pay for his purchase, i think it stinks.

yankee owners, yankee architects, yankee brash flash stadium, LFC the laughing stock of English football, and, worse....so many on here just lapping it up.

fucks sake, this stadium being foisted on us (if it ever gets built) will be a millstone around the neck of LFC and the City of Liverpool for a generation. i think it is an ugly monstrosity.

I hate it all!

[albertared]

Prefer the one chosen to be honest but 'THE KOP' lettering is all right, I reckon. Can see why they did that, plays up to 'brand Liverpool'

should say "SPION KOP"

[redprodigal]

i can't stand the look of this...these open sided stands look too much like the open-air yankee football stadiums...no soul.

the way i see things is this....Hicks will decide what we get and nothing that is said here will make a shred of difference.

i would have no problem with this if he had paid cash for his shares...he would thus have earned the right to decide...but, as he is getting supporters to pay for his purchase, i think it stinks.

yankee owners, yankee architects, yankee brash flash stadium, LFC the laughing stock of English football, and, worse....so many on here just lapping it up.

fucks sake, this stadium being foisted on us (if it ever gets built) will be a millstone around the neck of LFC and the City of Liverpool for a generation. i think it is an ugly monstrosity.

I hate it all!

This is not the stadium we're supposed to be getting Albertared. This is the one from the other company that has been rejected.

[albertared]

I'm happy with that 71,000 

Just Maybe these two are Trying to pacify us lot 

don't kid yourself...they couldn't give a rat's about what anyone in Liverpool thinks...it just doesn't affect them one way or the other

[stueya]

The Athens stadium incorporates a torsion tube.

Ah a torsion tube,  silly me

[Steve_M]

What's a "No New Stadium Unveiled"?

It was originally entitled 'New Stadium Unveiled', but as there is very little that is actually new that we haven't seen already, I changed it to 'No New Stadium Unveiled'.

Clear as mud. 

[albertared]

This is not the stadium we're supposed to be getting Albertared. This is the one from the other company that has been rejected.

yeah, but i hate all the designs i've seen...soulless, ugly, crass...typical Americana. oh, and lest that sounds racist, i live in Canada and visit the US of A regularly and have several American friends...it is no sl;ight on Americans but they just like things bigger and flashier than they need to be and I don't think Liverpool as a club or a city is that way inclined.

i have a picture in my head of a stadium but don't have the time or ability to draw it out for you but it is neither "ultra modern" or "old fashioned" but more an optimisation of a "traditional" 4-stand stadium.

oh well, as i've said already, Hicks will likely get his way whatever anyone else thinks so we are all probably wasting our energy discussing it.

[Football CRAZY]

Ah a torsion tube,  silly me

 



incidently I'd love to see some night time renders and some with fans and players on the pitch sooner rather than later. What it might look like on a CL night. Only so much of an idea you can get from pictures of an empty stadium. Even somewhere like the Nou Camp doesn't look much when it's empty.

[todda]

to be honest the AFL design looks ok with the single tiered Kop and its more likely to get built than the HKS design coz its cheaper.  Only thing is Hicks seems to like HKS, so who knows what we'll end up getting ?? if anything at all.

[Nico CARP]

One question, never thought to build on Anfield? We can not remodel the stadium that Liverpool have already widening all forums? It is impossible? It was generally thought at first enlarge the stadium itself instead of building new elsewhere.

[BIGdavalad]

One question, never thought to build on Anfield? We can not remodel the stadium that Liverpool have already widening all forums? It is impossible? It was generally thought at first enlarge the stadium itself instead of building new elsewhere.

From what I remember from years ago, when all of this expansion/new stadium talk started (mid 1990s), the original plan was to rebuild Anfield (I actually found an old fanzine the other day with Parry and Moores in it saying they were fully committed to staying at Anfield. It's from a couple of weeks after the infamous Leicester home defeat in 1999). but a couple of people who owned houses behind the Main Stand refused to sell up so the plans had to be shelved.

I'd personally love it if we could find a way to stay at Anfield and expand it out. Unfortunately though it would probably cost almost as much as a new stadium if you took into account the loss of revenue while the stands are demolished and rebuilt and I really can't see any realistic way of doing it.

[Nico CARP]

From what I remember from years ago, when all of this expansion/new stadium talk started (mid 1990s), the original plan was to rebuild Anfield (I actually found an old fanzine the other day with Parry and Moores in it saying they were fully committed to staying at Anfield. It's from a couple of weeks after the infamous Leicester home defeat in 1999). but a couple of people who owned houses behind the Main Stand refused to sell up so the plans had to be shelved.

I'd personally love it if we could find a way to stay at Anfield and expand it out. Unfortunately though it would probably cost almost as much as a new stadium if you took into account the loss of revenue while the stands are demolished and rebuilt and I really can't see any realistic way of doing it.

   
Nor do I believe it has to destroy everything, you have the advantage because you have the structure of the stadium built, then removed the roofs of the galleries and reliza construction of the extension of the existing galleries in stages and finally put the roof .. Old Trafford was not built in this manner over the story? I think Liverpool should not move from Anfield because of the mystic could lose that place.

[Steve_M]

One question, never thought to build on Anfield? We can not remodel the stadium that Liverpool have already widening all forums? It is impossible? It was generally thought at first enlarge the stadium itself instead of building new elsewhere.

Use the 'search' button mate.  There was plenty of discussion of this at the time on here.