Topic: Darts thread

[sinnermichael]

Reckon it'll be something like this:

MVG
Anderson
Wright
Gurney
Barney
Suljovic
Lewis
Chisnall
Whitlock
Cross

[Dublin Red]

Reckon it'll be something like this:

MVG
Anderson
Wright
Gurney
Barney
Suljovic
Lewis
Chisnall
Whitlock
Cross

Same but maybe with Klaasen or Smith instead of Cross

[voodoo ray]

Cross has to be in.

[hixxstar]

Paul Lim still going at the age of 135.

  ... made me laugh that.. Nice moment for Lim from the crowd after the win... 

[sinnermichael]

Lewis in trouble here.

[FiSh77]

fuck off yer fat sweaty mess

[Fordy]

Lewis and Wade are finished in my eyes.

[voodoo ray]

lewis isn't finished. but he did have 5 months off.

[Fordy]

lewis isn't finished. but he did have 5 months off.

MVG, Anderson, Wright, Superchin, Mensur, Barney, all better than him plus as shown already they're some up and coming players such as Price, smith are primed to overtake him.

Finished.

[voodoo ray]

Yeah course. Because everything's either the best thing ever or the worst these days.

Anderson went down to about 19 a few years back and was shite (due to personal issues) but he's done alright since.

[Fordy]

Yeah course. Because everything's either the best thing ever or the worst these days.

Anderson went down to about 19 a few years back and was shite (due to personal issues) but he's done alright since.

Anderson's problem was he was scoring but couldn't hit doubles. Now he can score heavy and hit doubles. Personal issues are different but it seems everything is ok in Lewis's life but I can only really talk about his darting performance and for me he is nowhere near the player he was

Lewis before his injury was on his way out and with the players above him around his age and some younger I just don't see a way back for him. 

[Gerry Attrick]

I don't see Lewis winning many more big tournaments but I think he can still be a top 10 player.

[CheshireDave]

Darts players have such long careers so it is impossible to write someone clearly as talented as Lewis off. He's only 32.

With a full season under his belt and a couple of tournament wins he could regain the confidence of a few years ago and be a force again.

[Fordy]

Darts players have such long careers so it is impossible to write someone clearly as talented as Lewis off. He's only 32.

With a full season under his belt and a couple of tournament wins he could regain the confidence of a few years ago and be a force again.

You base that on Taylor and Barney but forget that now the money in darts is 10 times the amount when they started off. Players like MVG and Lewis won't need to play into their 50's.

MVG has already talked about retiring in his 40's. So with that in mind Lewis has about 10 years but I am sorry to say with the likes of Smith,  van den bergh, cadby, Payne, Klye Anderson, Cullen, North, superchin all these are younger than Lewis and improving.

As we with seen already barring I would say MVG and Anderson the gap is closing with the rest.

Lewis is going backwards. Not sure his heart is in it. Maybe too much money already but he won't win a worlds again.

[voodoo ray]

Lewis is both better than pretty much all the players you mentioned and also has a higher ceiling too. Has he got both lazy and complacent? Probably.

[gazzalfc]

I don't see Lewis winning many more big tournaments but I think he can still be a top 10 player.

This. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dropped from the PL as well.

Same with Wade and Chizzy.

[Fordy]

Lewis is both better than pretty much all the players you mentioned and also has a higher ceiling too. Has he got both lazy and complacent? Probably.

Apart from Superchin maybe but my point is all them are younger than Lewis and improving.

Just think him and Wade are done. Both might win the odd competition here and there but not the worlds.

[Fordy]

This. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dropped from the PL as well.

Same with Wade and Chizzy.

Chizzy is another one. Done!

You only need to look at the likes of Newton, Hamilton to see how quickly you can go backwards in this sport.

[puroresu_kid]

Lewis has underachieved.  Yes he won two world titles but he should of won more tournaments.

[Fordy]

Lewis is both better than pretty much all the players you mentioned and also has a higher ceiling too. Has he got both lazy and complacent? Probably.

Sorry I have forgot to add Rob Cross to this who is lot younger than Lewis and certainly is better than him now.

[CheshireDave]

Both might win the odd competition here and there but not the worlds.

By that logic if MVG wins the Worlds for the next 5 years (entirely possible) does that mean every other darts player bar MVG is 'done'?

[4pool]

Who is Superchin?

[Gerry Attrick]

Who is Superchin?

Daryl Gurney I think.

[Fordy]

By that logic if MVG wins the Worlds for the next 5 years (entirely possible) does that mean every other darts player bar MVG is 'done'?

Without a doubt MVG could do that because at this moment you only really have Anderson that comes close to him but set game isn't MVG's strength and he could always lose to Barney etc in the set format.

Lewis won't come close to winning the worlds and any of the big competitions. He's finished.

[Fordy]

Daryl Gurney I think.

Yes.

[Gerry Attrick]

Without a doubt MVG could do that because at this moment you only really have Anderson that comes close to him but set game isn't MVG's strength and he could always lose to Barney etc in the set format.

Lewis won't come close to winning the worlds and any of the big competitions. He's finished.

I think you're being too hasty in completely writing Lewis off. He reached the semi-finals of the Matchplay less than 6 months ago.

[Old No7]

Yeah seems massively early to say Lewis is done. He's had back surgery this year & whilst there is more to his poor form than that, he's got the talent to win tournaments if he applies himself. Maybe this is the kick up the arse he needs to get going again? You might be right & he doesn't have the hunger anymore, but it's too early to tell

[voodoo ray]

Adrian lewis has always been inconsistent.

[gazzalfc]

The PL is quite hard to pick for

If you went off earnings it would be

1   Michael van Gerwen   £1,736,250
2   Peter Wright   £770,750
3   Gary Anderson   £718,250
4   Daryl Gurney   £413,250
5   Mensur Suljovic   £368,500
7   Adrian Lewis   £348,000
8   Dave Chisnall   £343,500
9   Raymond van Barneveld   £303,750
10   Simon Whitlock   £301,750
11   James Wade   £300,250

But if I was picking based on 2017 form then I would drop Wade, Lewis and Chizzy and put in Klaasen, Cross and Smith

But if I was basing it off the quick 'entertaining' players that draw crowds I would drop Suljovic and stick in Cross

But then if you want to draw crowds then I wouldn't put it past the PDC to try and convince Phil Taylor to give it another year

[puroresu_kid]

My two-penneth for what it's worth, is that MVG's dominance has knocked the stuffing out of a lot of the top players who don't have that win-at-any-cost mentality that the dutchman does.

Lewis, Wade, Thornton, Huybrechts, Whitlock etc have all become far more inconsistent than they used to be - and for most of them, there's no excuse really. They're all young enough to still be maintaining a high level, but if I put myself in their shoes - losing out time and again to the same bloke, it must absolutely ruin you and would affect your motivation massively.

MvG is a great example of someone who didn't give up. I thought he was going to be a star when he went to the PDC but it took time.  He struggled badly for a good couple of years.  Always had the talent but for whatever reason he couldn't win games.

[Fordy]

The PL is quite hard to pick for

If you went off earnings it would be

1   Michael van Gerwen   £1,736,250
2   Peter Wright   £770,750
3   Gary Anderson   £718,250
4   Daryl Gurney   £413,250
5   Mensur Suljovic   £368,500
7   Adrian Lewis   £348,000
8   Dave Chisnall   £343,500
9   Raymond van Barneveld   £303,750
10   Simon Whitlock   £301,750
11   James Wade   £300,250

But if I was picking based on 2017 form then I would drop Wade, Lewis and Chizzy and put in Klaasen, Cross and Smith

But if I was basing it off the quick 'entertaining' players that draw crowds I would drop Suljovic and stick in Cross

But then if you want to draw crowds then I wouldn't put it past the PDC to try and convince Phil Taylor to give it another year

Mensur wouldn't get dropped mate. No chance.

[gazzalfc]

Mensur wouldn't get dropped mate. No chance.

Oh I agree. Easily a PDC wildcard

But I said if I was basing my picks on who I think are the most entertaining players that draw crowds then I would drop him as he's slow at the oche and his English isn't that good

[Fordy]

The PL is quite hard to pick for

If you went off earnings it would be

1   Michael van Gerwen   £1,736,250
2   Peter Wright   £770,750
3   Gary Anderson   £718,250
4   Daryl Gurney   £413,250
5   Mensur Suljovic   £368,500
7   Adrian Lewis   £348,000
8   Dave Chisnall   £343,500
9   Raymond van Barneveld   £303,750
10   Simon Whitlock   £301,750
11   James Wade   £300,250

But if I was picking based on 2017 form then I would drop Wade, Lewis and Chizzy and put in Klaasen, Cross and Smith

But if I was basing it off the quick 'entertaining' players that draw crowds I would drop Suljovic and stick in Cross

But then if you want to draw crowds then I wouldn't put it past the PDC to try and convince Phil Taylor to give it another year

Lewis now drops out of the top 8 and out of the top 16.

[Fordy]

Bernie Smith can beat Pipe. Certainly if he plays like that.

[archie]

Wow.

A tribute to the BDO there from Whitlock and Schindler

[sinnermichael]

Justin Pipe could put a glass eye to sleep.

[Fordy]

Justin Pipe could put a glass eye to sleep.

Told you he could lose this.

Pipe is so boring.

[Fordy]

11/2 smith - tempting

[puroresu_kid]

Even if Pipe miraculously was a top 4 player I really think Sky would change the rules for the premier league to keep him out.

[puroresu_kid]

Pipe just sucks all the oxygen out of the room. Its torture having to watch it and cant be great for a player who is quick having to wait around for him.