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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2007, 01:13:57 pm »
These close to getting updated? I love reading them and I'm impatient  :P

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #121 on: January 3, 2008, 08:22:12 am »
These stats still getting updated?

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #122 on: January 8, 2008, 03:15:42 pm »
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #123 on: January 8, 2008, 03:21:30 pm »
These stats still getting updated?

Apparently not.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #124 on: January 8, 2008, 03:39:20 pm »
I knew there was something I had to do. Here you go.





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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after PORTO + BOLTON
« Reply #125 on: January 8, 2008, 03:41:11 pm »
Tried to find a picture of that pikey bird off Big Brother with her legs behind her head, to make these look a bit more exciting. Had no luck so far.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 11:37:39 am by Greg »

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Xmas games
« Reply #126 on: January 8, 2008, 03:51:10 pm »
that is quality mate!
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Xmas games
« Reply #127 on: January 8, 2008, 03:59:20 pm »
thanks - that's absolutely brilliant work.

remarkable i find it how little in the way of yellow cards carragher, arbeloa, and hyppia pick up!

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Xmas games
« Reply #128 on: January 8, 2008, 06:08:01 pm »
I combined the stats for team scored and conceded per 90 mins (cheers Greg!), and here's the result:

Lucas 2.59
Kewell 2.24
Agger 1.92
Hyypia 1.65
Leto 1.61
Babel 1.57
Arbeloa 1.48
Benayoun 1.46
Crouch 1.46
Torres 1.44
Mascherano 1.39
Reina 1.36
Kuyt 1.32
Riise 1.26
Alonso 1.20
Gerrard 0.98
Finnan 0.95
Carragher 0.89
Aurelio 0.85
Pennant 0.68
Voronin 0.29
Sissoko 0.27
Itandje 0.25


Surprisingly big difference between Carra and Hyypia.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 10 or so games
« Reply #129 on: February 21, 2008, 03:58:14 pm »
Not been keeping up with this as much as I'd like. I blame the new owners.

Skrtel, Hobbs and El Zhar are not included in these stats unfortnuately. Cos the way I wrote it at the start of the season, too much arsing to change it now. I might get rid of Leto and replace him with Skrtel next time I update them.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 10 or so games
« Reply #130 on: February 21, 2008, 05:03:34 pm »
Total Minutes and % of Total Minutes

I'm slightly surprised to see Carra at the top of this one this season. Given the fact he is getting on a bit, I'm surprised he's not been rested much. Now Skrtel is here, I think he will be getting a few rests before big CL games. Sami has played more than anyone thought he would, but maybe Agger will be back soon as well. Gerrard has also played more than I thought he would - maybe Rafa is too scared to drop him. Kewell has only played in 21% of all minutes, and I can't see him getting many more before he leaves. Surprised Lucas has only played 29% of all minutes, thought he'd played more than that.

Goals and Assists

No surprise that Torres and Gerrard have 35 goals between them. Disappointing return from Kuyt, Crouch and Voronin though. Babel and Benayoun have done alright though. Also disappointing to see not a single goal scored by Pennant, Kewell or Riise and Mascherano to an extent. Given that they play in midfield (Riise has done a bit this season) you'd expect them to score a few.

I work my assists out differently to how they're normally done. I give up to 2 players assists for each goal. Anyway, Gerrard has 23 assists, but I'm surprised to see Torres on 14. I can't recall many of them. Babel has done alright again, and even Voronin has (though 5 of his came in one match) done well.

Goal faults per 90

Itandje doesn't seem that bad to me - I think he's unlucky that all his mistakes lead to goals. I read somewhere about him being the worst keeper we've ever signed, but I don't think he's quite that bad. He's only young as well, so no harm in giving him another season anyway. I don't agree that he should play in every League Cup or FA Cup tie (no complaints against him playing against Barnsley but why play him against Chelsea?) though. Play him against weaker opposition in the league rather than big domestic cup games.

Carragher has had a nightmare by his standards, but he has also played more than any other Liverpool player. So fatigue might be a reason. Anyway, being responsible for 1 goal every 5 games is not good.

Credit to Aurelio for not making a single mistake that's ended up with a goal. I didn't fault him for his OG against Villa. And Mascherano only gives away one goal in 50 games. I faulted him for Bramble's goal against Wigan.

Yellow and red cards

Still only 1 red - that was Pennant. But we all knew he was a "bad boy" when we signed him. Alonso is the dirtiest bastard we have this season though, he gets 0.4 bookings per 90 minutes, that's 1 every 2 and a half games. Which isn't bad really. Credit goes to Steve Finnan who's not been booked all season. And Hyypia gets 1 every 33 games apparently? I need to check that....

Goals per 90

Torres gets a goal every 126 minutes, Gerrard gets one every 166 minutes, not bad at all. Crouch is our next best striker with one every 204 minutes. Interesting that Benayoun is ahead of him with one every 195 minutes. Kuyt gets one every 230 minutes. Voronin, one every 321 minutes...

Assists per 90

This is a bit skewed cos 2 players normally get an assist for each goal. But anyway, I'm surprised that Gerrard, Pennant and Babel are all on 0.73, and Voronin is just behind them. I'm more surprised that Pennant and Babel are involved in so many goals - and there's not many games when you have both of them on either wing.

Attacking value per 90

Just the previous 2 added up - works out who's the most effective in terms of creating and scoring. Gerrard and Torres are in front, both on exactly 1.27. Benayoun and Babel have done well. So has Voronin, who has always come across as a bit shit to me. Shame that our full backs haven't contributed much. Hyypia has done more than all of them. You'd expect Finnan, Arbeloa, Riise and Aurelio to do a bit more I reckon.

Team Scored per 90

This just shows how many goals Liverpool score as a team while each player is on the pitch. Lucas has been top of this all season. Maybe cos he played in slightly easier matches at first. Anyway, Itandje is our second best, so that's a bit mad. Sissoko was our worst player in this case. We hardly scored when he played. And similar with Voronin.

Team Conceded per 90

Itandje is the worst. Voronin is 2nd worst. Then Benayoun - which maybe highlights a lack of defensive ability from him? Agger's stats were the best. We only conceded 1 goal every 3 games when he used to play. That's where our season has gone then...



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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2008, 09:05:21 am »
More fucking stats.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2008, 09:07:58 am »
I've thrown in a picture of Gary Neville's sister just to make the stats look more beautiful.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #133 on: February 26, 2008, 09:11:24 am »
Fuck me I bet you never see her and GN in the same room together.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #134 on: February 26, 2008, 04:17:52 pm »
You lot are fucking sick. Each graph has been viewed an average of 12 times. Gary Neville's sister has been viewed 61 times.

I don't know what to make of that.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #135 on: February 26, 2008, 04:31:23 pm »
You lot are fucking sick. Each graph has been viewed an average of 12 times. Gary Neville's sister has been viewed 61 times.

I don't know what to make of that.

I looked each graph but not her...   so there at least 50 culprits....

I appreciate you keeping this updated Greg - I like my stats, but a lot of the time, these kinds of things are much easier to maintain over time rather than do all the research at one point - so, thanks, and hope you keep it up!

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #136 on: February 27, 2008, 11:34:41 pm »
I've thrown in a picture of Gary Neville's sister just to make the stats look more beautiful.
I'm glad you've made them a little smaller, I can get them on screen.

If you want to make them more beautiful, without needing to resort to Gary Nev's WAG, try colour coding defence, midfield and attack. Pastels are nice.

I'm having a lot of trouble believing the Riise's 'goal faults' count. Is Arbeloa really a dodgier defender than Riise? He has been beaten (and fouled) in aerial challenges, but Riise has been beaten for crosses a lot, if he hasn't gone AWOL already.

It seems a subjective measure, I wonder how many Liverpool concede when one, other or both play. Or how many
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #137 on: February 28, 2008, 01:59:10 am »
It seems a subjective measure, I wonder how many Liverpool concede when one, other or both play. Or how many

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #138 on: February 28, 2008, 10:04:19 am »
:D

Yeah, these graphs can't answer every question.

Just the mundane ones like, how many times must a full-back get skinned before you can call him a clown?
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #139 on: February 28, 2008, 01:09:57 pm »
I'm glad you've made them a little smaller, I can get them on screen.

If you want to make them more beautiful, without needing to resort to Gary Nev's WAG, try colour coding defence, midfield and attack. Pastels are nice.

I'm having a lot of trouble believing the Riise's 'goal faults' count. Is Arbeloa really a dodgier defender than Riise? He has been beaten (and fouled) in aerial challenges, but Riise has been beaten for crosses a lot, if he hasn't gone AWOL already.

It seems a subjective measure, I wonder how many Liverpool concede when one, other or both play. Or how many

Alright la. The goal faults are what I find difficult actually. For each goal, I "blame" up to 2 of our players. But sometimes I don't blame anyone if it's a pretty good goal by the other team. Or sometimes, it's a shit goal, but it's hard to point the finger at one player when it's the whole defence.

For instance, Boro's first goal on Saturday - it was a free header but whose fault was it? The whole back line tried to play offside and fucked up. Then they left Tuncay unmarked, but we have zonal marking so nobody is meant to go with him really. I actually gave a fault to Babel for giving the free kick away.

The second goal, I didn't blame anyone. Benayoun was beaten by pace (is that his fault?) and he scored through Reina's legs. On a different day, I might have blamed both of them.

As for how many we concede when they both play, I'm not sure. The data is all there, but it just needs to be added up. You're welcome to have my spreadsheet, PM me if you want it.

Next year, I'm gonna put more effort into this cos I'd like it to do a lot more than what it does at the moment.


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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Boro
« Reply #140 on: February 28, 2008, 02:20:29 pm »
You lot are fucking sick. Each graph has been viewed an average of 12 times. Gary Neville's sister has been viewed 61 times.

I don't know what to make of that.

I only clicked at the stats :P

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Bolton and West Ham
« Reply #141 on: March 6, 2008, 01:27:55 pm »
Updated after last 2 games.

Skrtel has now replaced Leto in the stats. So Leto, Hobbs, El Zhar and someone else is not included in these.


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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Bolton and West Ham
« Reply #142 on: March 6, 2008, 01:32:01 pm »
I was looking for a picture of Torres and I found this one. But there is still only one Torres I'd like in my bed. Sorry love.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2008, 01:19:26 pm »
From these stats, you can see that Torres has scored more goals this season than any other Liverpool player. There's no other way of finding that out.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2008, 01:29:23 pm »
And the rest...

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #145 on: March 12, 2008, 01:46:15 pm »
0.87 goals all from open play per match is something frightening.

Good job Greg.

PS: Voronin first on total assists per 90 min ;D
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #146 on: March 12, 2008, 02:10:05 pm »
PS: Voronin first on total assists per 90 min ;D

That looks like a mistake but it isn't. He got 5 assists in one game once (Beşiktaş at home) and has a total of 10 assists. And he hasn't played that many minutes really. Just shows you how shit stats can be good a player he is.


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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2008, 12:41:31 am »
Great stats, keep em coming.
Really it just keeps proving that:
- Agger helps us not concede goals
- Torres scores lots of goals
- Sissoko didn't help us much
- Carra plays alot
- Itandje is poo
- Reina is good
- Gerrard is awesome, sets up lots of goals as well as scoring them

But it also establishes a few things that aren't quite so widely already known:
- Skrtel helps our attacking system
- Voronin isn't that horrible (and I think will take part in a few more games this year - even if its just to up his sale value)

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2008, 01:32:14 am »
Great stats, keep em coming.
Really it just keeps proving that:
- Agger helps us not concede goals
- Torres scores lots of goals
- Sissoko didn't help us much
- Carra plays alot
- Itandje is poo
- Reina is good
- Gerrard is awesome, sets up lots of goals as well as scoring them

But it also establishes a few things that aren't quite so widely already known:
- Skrtel helps our attacking system
- Voronin isn't that horrible (and I think will take part in a few more games this year - even if its just to up his sale value)

I'd also add - why does Pennant get so many yellow cards?

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #149 on: March 13, 2008, 09:45:18 am »
I'd also add - why does Pennant get so many yellow cards?

Because when we bought him, we all knew he was a bad boy.

A few other things.... we don't concede many when Babel and Pennant are in the side. Babel looks like he tries hard but never been impressed with his defensive skills, so that surprised me a bit. Pennant is a bit better, but not that much.

Something else that surprises me is Arbeloa's stats. As a player I like him, but he doesn't seem to be as effective as I thought he was. In terms of goal faults, he's our worst full back. Ahead of Finnan (who's had a poor season by his standards) and Riise. And Aurelio - who has not even had a single goal fault against him (I didn't fault him for his own goal though). Something else about Arbeloa - his assists stats are pretty poor as well - only 1 assist. Not great, considering he's had more minutes on the pitch than any other full back.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #150 on: March 13, 2008, 10:07:43 am »
great stats but on such questions as why we don't concede with Pennant playing and why Voronin gets a lot of assists, I'd suggest it's because they only get a run against weaker teams. Some very interesting stats however. I hadn't realised how much Arbie had played.
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #151 on: March 13, 2008, 10:10:38 am »
From these stats, you can see that Torres has scored more goals this season than any other Liverpool player. There's no other way of finding that out.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #152 on: March 13, 2008, 10:14:15 am »
From these stats, you can see that Torres has scored more goals this season than any other Liverpool player. There's no other way of finding that out.

:o could you double-check that, please?

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after Newcastle and Inter
« Reply #153 on: March 13, 2008, 03:38:55 pm »
great stats but on such questions as why we don't concede with Pennant playing and why Voronin gets a lot of assists, I'd suggest it's because they only get a run against weaker teams. Some very interesting stats however. I hadn't realised how much Arbie had played.

I know, that's the problem I've found a lot. It started off with Lucas having great stats because his first handful of games was against "easier" opposition. His stats are still good, but it's hard to see how well he's done against top opposition. It might be a good idea to include the strength of the opposition in the future (next season) to see if it balances things out.

Another thing I'd like to do is have a table for the "best player". But it's hard to work it out really. Steve Finnan was one of our best players last season but his stats would have been shite compared to Torres of this season. So how would I work that out? Maybe I need to add player ratings, but they would be my personal opinion, unless there's a good website where I can get them from.

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2008, 04:12:25 pm »
No Plessis unfortunately...

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2008, 04:13:41 pm »
Erm...


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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2008, 04:21:26 pm »
gerrards assist stats are incredible.

does anyone know who has the most assists in all competitions this season from every team in the league???

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2008, 04:24:42 pm »
Thanks for that Greg! ;)

Gerrard assists is something remakable. Torres scoring a goal evey 107 minutes, too.
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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2008, 04:28:44 pm »
yes... and thanks for the stats. i love bringing the stats out when the opportunity arises. not that many people believe me... doesnt it really piss you off when that happens??

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Re: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after last 7 games
« Reply #159 on: April 21, 2008, 10:48:16 am »
Remember that Gerrard's assists are unofficial. I give an assist to 2 players for each goal.

Gerrard has got 21 normal assists and 9 other assists, ones where he has had made the penultimate pass before a goal.