Author Topic: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez (Read 779841 times)

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #320 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:08:58 am »

Big big big big credit to Rodgers for trusting an 18-year old in such an important game for himself as a coach and the team. Gomez is never gonna learn about not making those few mistakes he made on the bench but by being on the pitch , this experience will mean a world to him with his football education.

tuaz · « **Reply #321 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:14:46 am »

Once in a while Moreno loses his focus and goes ball-watching instead of marking his man (like the goal we conceded against Swindon in pre-season).

However, I'd be fine with him as LB when we want to be more attack-minded, for instance the next game.

Gomez has a more defensive mindset and I think better concentration. He had 2 or 3 shaky moments in the game where his judgement was off and/or his inexperience showed, but these were valuable learning experiences that luckily didn't cost Liverpool during the match.

I think both have a part to play this season.

clinical · « **Reply #322 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:17:38 am »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on August 10, 2015, 10:08:58 am

Big big big big credit to Rodgers for trusting an 18-year old in such an important game for himself as a coach and the team. Gomez is never gonna learn about not making those few mistakes he made on the bench but by being on the pitch , this experience will mean a world to him with his football education.

It's what I really like about Rodgers. He should never lose that. He did at points last year.

fowlermagic · « **Reply #323 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:25:25 am »

Def hats off to Brendan for trusting Gomez to shore us up on a day when everyone was looking to hit an early nail into his coffin. I have no doubt if we lost that game yesterday todays headlines would be like a ticking bomb so to see an 18 year old on his debut look like he belongs already is a great testament to the lad and the brave decision in picking him in the first place.

Yiannis · « **Reply #324 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:28:18 am »

Quote from: clinical on August 10, 2015, 09:42:39 am

Depends who we're playing. An average team at home, I'd want Moreno playing.

Moreno isn't as bad as people make out. He's got a few issues that need fixing, but they should be easily trained out.

Of course he may start now and then. Key word was regularly.

DeLeiva · « **Reply #325 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:37:52 am »

I thought he was really solid.

No coincidence that Lovern looked much better yesterday. Gomez was holding his position and not getting caught out of position,
forcing Lovern into those one on one situations on the left in which he's really struggled.

Really good awareness on the ball, gets his head up early and looks for the simple pass to a man in space.
Saying that though I can't wait till he's settled in and has the confidence to go on a run with the ball at his feet.
Did it once yesterday cruised to the halfway line with the ball at his feet, wanted him to drive on but he played the easy ball
and got back into position.

SlowRap · « **Reply #326 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:39:27 am »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on August 10, 2015, 10:08:58 am

Big big big big credit to Rodgers for trusting an 18-year old in such an important game for himself as a coach and the team. Gomez is never gonna learn about not making those few mistakes he made on the bench but by being on the pitch , this experience will mean a world to him with his football education.

This 100% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_3zHsp-ew

nfletcher23 · « **Reply #327 on:** August 10, 2015, 10:39:54 am »

Awesome for an 18 year old lad from chanpionship, thought he'd be a bit part player to be honest but looks like he could be a regular easily, hope he keeps it up

lamonti · « **Reply #328 on:** August 10, 2015, 11:40:29 am »

Quote from: spinaltapped on August 10, 2015, 01:40:35 am

We always talk about saving money by finding the next player before joining a big club and gaining notoriety, I think we've done that in Joe. He's going to be a big player at our club.

Yeah he was rattled because Stoke targeted him all day, and he just about survived.

I've seen a few remarks about Stoke that they've moved on Pulis, and they keep it on the deck now, which just strikes me a rote-repetition of handy soundbite about Stoke that people can repeat without ever having to sit through the shit they serve up.

Their primary tactic all day yesterday was long diagonals from the back line and the goal keeper, even straight up the line, onto John Walters head and then try to pick up the pieces after that. They did it because it's a strength of his and he was up against a debutant teenager who'd never played in the Premier League.

I'm not saying it's in anyway invalid, but they certainly do play extremely directly nearly all the time still as far as I can see.

(Their other tactic what big loopy passes down the channel to let Diouf pressurise Skrtel with his pace. Again, extremely direct.)

Thought Joe Gomez just about survived in that he was beaten a few times by Walters and once that put us in real trouble when Lovren came out to clean up and did't get there. It lead to Johnson's chance which was the best of the match. But he did survive, and at least some of the other options for that position (Enrique, Moreno, Can, Flanagan) would've folded or come up way worse against that kind of bombardment.

owens_2k · « **Reply #329 on:** August 10, 2015, 12:23:26 pm »

I see so much potential in this lad. For me he displayed more composure on the ball and physical strength than Manquillo ever did. At the same time as being played out of position!

There was one moment where he just decided to come forward and bring the ball out of the defence, taking on 1 or 2 players in the process. Impressed me.

Stout · « **Reply #330 on:** August 10, 2015, 02:34:32 pm »

Need to give Rodgers a lot of credit. He will get our talented youngsters playing time if they work hard and deserve it. Look at Gomez; a youngster many of us thought would be on loan by now, and here he is in the starting XI for our league opener. Another piece of proof (along with Sterling, Ibe...etc) for the next time we are targeting a young talent and Rodgers tells him they can develop and quickly make an impact at Liverpool. The other big clubs can't say that...

TepidT2O · « **Reply #331 on:** August 10, 2015, 02:35:19 pm »

He certainly didn't play anything like an 18 year old...

Very impressive to debut that way....

Really solid.

Magz50 · « **Reply #332 on:** August 10, 2015, 02:46:02 pm »

Great debut for the lad, thought he worked his socks off. Had a few shaky moments that you'd expect from an inexperienced full back but for the most part, showed he's physically ready to take on Prem level players.

Jinxsy · « **Reply #333 on:** August 10, 2015, 02:50:03 pm »

Great to see Joe get his chance and take it - hardly put a foot wrong.

Pleasing evidence that if you're god enough, you're old enough and it should be encouraging for some of the youth lads that should be banging on the first team door this season.

Chig · « **Reply #334 on:** August 10, 2015, 03:51:49 pm »

Can easily be our Ivanovic. Can throw in Moreno when against lesser team or if we are chasing games.

idontknow · « **Reply #335 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:05:36 pm »

Good performance against a team more than willing and capable of targeting a weak link. With Gomez, to our benefit and his credit, they were wasting their efforts and time.
Well played Joe, and just keep on doing it and you will be here a long time, and get a lot of success.

Bob Sacamano · « **Reply #336 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:24:04 pm »

He made 2 pretty serious mistakes in the game. The miss-timed header that put Walters through and ended with Johnson's chance (I think the mistake was compounded by Lovren vacating the center too quickly to close down Walters), as well as the attempted clearance which he put right across our own penalty box. Both could easily have resulted in goals. Thankfully they didn't, and hopefully he still has Rodgers' trust because he seems like a real smooth player.

Stoke targeted him throughout the game, and Walters has embarrassed our senior defenders on several occasions, so it was great to see Gomez refuse to back down and keep fighting.

wemmick · « **Reply #337 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:29:22 pm »

Quote from: Bob Sacamano on August 10, 2015, 04:24:04 pm

He made 2 pretty serious mistakes in the game. The miss-timed header that put Walters through and ended with Johnson's chance (I think the mistake was compounded by Lovren vacating the center too quickly to close down Walters), as well as the attempted clearance which he put right across our own penalty box. Both could easily have resulted in goals. Thankfully they didn't, and hopefully he still has Rodgers' trust because he seems like a real smooth player.

Stoke targeted him throughout the game, and Walters has embarrassed our senior defenders on several occasions, so it was great to see Gomez refuse to back down and keep fighting.

I can't think of many harder matches in which to debut than Stoke away. I agree the mistakes could have cost us, but I also liked how well he competed. He didn't let the mistakes phase him and that's huge at his age. What a find this kid has been so far.

Bob Sacamano · « **Reply #338 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:38:32 pm »

Quote from: wemmick on August 10, 2015, 04:29:22 pm

I can't think of many harder matches in which to debut than Stoke away. I agree the mistakes could have cost us, but I also liked how well he competed. He didn't let the mistakes phase him and that's huge at his age. What a find this kid has been so far.

He just seems to have "it", doesn't he? If it's apparent to no-mark fans like us, it would be all the more apparent to Rodgers and the staff in training. And I can't help but think they scrapped plans of "easing him in" after the first few training sessions because he's just too damn talented.

TheSoundLady · « **Reply #339 on:** August 10, 2015, 05:52:46 pm »

Well done Gomez. Awesome signing so far.

TheSoundLady · « **Reply #340 on:** August 10, 2015, 05:53:22 pm »

Quote from: Bob Sacamano on August 10, 2015, 04:38:32 pm

He just seems to have "it", doesn't he? If it's apparent to no-mark fans like us, it would be all the more apparent to Rodgers and the staff in training. And I can't help but think they scrapped plans of "easing him in" after the first few training sessions because he's just too damn talented.

Precisely right. Moreno didn't do anything to lose his place per se. Gomez won the place because he is just that impressive.

I love that it shows ever other fringe and sub and young player: if you perform well enough in training and when given your chance on the pitch, you can get a place in the starting 11. Even a brand new 18 year old from Charlton can get a Premier League starting spot. Therefore anyone can. Everyone is judged on merit. Brilliant system.

(Would probably never happen if Mourinho was manager)

Asam · « **Reply #341 on:** August 10, 2015, 06:36:46 pm »

Great debut from the lad, I am very impressed but we have to expect him to have a fair few bad games, not sure if he will cope with agile wide forwards who can twist / turn him, but he will add solidity and presence which is something we've lacked- I hope people don't expect him to be bomb forward as the season progresses, he is there in the side to help us keep more clean sheets- look to others for creativity

Coolie High · « **Reply #342 on:** August 10, 2015, 06:45:21 pm »

Quote from: Melbred on August 10, 2015, 03:03:17 am

I actually thought he had a really shaky game, and got us into trouble on a few occasions. He defends very close to his man where if he gets turned or loses a header, it can leave a lot of space behind him for opposition strikers to exploit.

He's only 18 though and it was his debut, so I'm sure he will improve.

He needs to know he doesn't need to do this, with his pace, Walters is nimble and strong but was never going to outstrip him in a race, getting so close to him was almost playing into his hands, with all the freekicks they won in that area of the field.

Still saying that, the fact he wasn't getting bullied by more senior muscular players is a good sign, big future but i'm not sure he is a better option than Moreno in the majority of games.

heylookitsjacob · « **Reply #343 on:** August 10, 2015, 07:18:28 pm »

Quote from: Melbred on August 10, 2015, 03:03:17 am

I actually thought he had a really shaky game, and got us into trouble on a few occasions.

I agree. I think Stoke tried to exploit him pretty heavily, and I think they were relatively successful with that strategy. However, he played an okay game and we all saw glimpses of what kind of player he can become.

rickardinho1 · « **Reply #344 on:** August 14, 2015, 12:04:37 pm »

When defending against deep free kicks against Stoke I noticed that the back 4 were holding their arms to the sides to almost link arms to hold the line, and I don't recall us doing that before. At first glance it seemed to be Lovren or Gomez doing that organizing but it was very clear to see that there had been plenty of work done to coordinate the back 4 on set pieces. I really liked the fact that we had 4 strong aerial players in our back 4, and can't help but think that Moreno would have struggled a bit against Walters' brute force aerially, whereas he didn't get much of a sniff against Gomez except for the time when Gomez got caught under the ball on the sideline.

On a related note, Mignolet was also superb at claiming crosses and controlling his area which really helped the CB's. I can't think of a single moment where he could have done better on those crosses. It was especially nice to watch MOTD2 after our game to see Cech's flapping which put into perspective how safe Mignolet was against Stoke too.

Fiasco · « **Reply #345 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:53:28 pm »

This kid... this kid is fucking class.

88_RED · « **Reply #346 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:54:37 pm »

Jomez is class..

SMASHerano · « **Reply #347 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:55:04 pm »

Hard to believe he's just 18. Great addition.

gaztop08 · « **Reply #348 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:55:31 pm »

He's good

Notayesman · « **Reply #349 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:55:55 pm »

He's very good.

lgvkarlos · « **Reply #350 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:55:59 pm »

What a signing.
Sahko gomez cb partnership.

Reds Flag · « **Reply #351 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:58:40 pm »

Fantastic performance for his age, again. He's going to be a great player for us for a long, long time if he keeps this up.

jepovic · « **Reply #352 on:** August 17, 2015, 09:59:07 pm »

Solid in defense, but Moreno is a lot better in attack. Gomez is a 18-yo right-footed CB after all.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #353 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:00:15 pm »

I have no idea what he got booked for....

Fiasco · « **Reply #354 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:00:46 pm »

Quote from: jepovic on August 17, 2015, 09:59:07 pm

Solid in defense, but Moreno is a lot better in attack. Gomez is a 18-yo right-footed CB after all.

I can see Moreno being deployed more and more on the left hand side further up like he was tonight. He's our quickest player by a mile and his directness and incessant stamina are great attributes to have. I've said before, but he could easily be a faster, slightly more technical Riise.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #355 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:01:44 pm »

Probably our best U21 prospect. He has genuine world class potential.

Vund · « **Reply #356 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:07:50 pm »

He's a great prospect, and did well but showed his inexperience a couple of times. Moreno for arsenal please

AshbourneRed · « **Reply #357 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:09:09 pm »

He loves a good shimmy of the hips. Great use of it to get him out of tight situations along the line.

stevensr123 · « **Reply #358 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:11:16 pm »

Quote from: Vund on August 17, 2015, 10:07:50 pm

He's a great prospect, and did well but showed his inexperience a couple of times. Moreno for arsenal please

he looks far more assured defensively than Moreno, who often exposes himself and the defence due to his attacking nature.

I'm just happy we have a pair of full backs now who can defend first.

Lad looks boss.

dotheoffski · « **Reply #359 on:** August 17, 2015, 10:21:18 pm »

Quote from: Vund on August 17, 2015, 10:07:50 pm

He's a great prospect, and did well but showed his inexperience a couple of times. Moreno for arsenal please

Crazy idea, yes Moreno can be exciting going forward, but this guy is a great defender, yes he is not going to be perfect but that will come with games. Surely the priority of a left back is his ability to defend firstly and get forward secondly. He also helps massively on set pieces as he has a presence/size about him.

Anyway why change a defense which has kept two clean sheets?