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Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« on: December 7, 2023, 02:49:51 pm »
PALACE V REDS

Selhurst Park, Saturday Dec 9th. KO 12.30

It’s not a laugh playing two matches in four days, especially when the second one starts at lunchtime. The bloke in the bad suit from Amazon thought it was a joke, which is why Jurgen lost his cool in the pitch-side interview. Sure, Crystal Palace will be in the same boat having played at home to Bournemouth on Wednesday night, but that’s not really the point. The point is the insane lack of recuperation time, the unnecessary wear and tear on footballers’ bodies and the increased possibility of serious injury. All because millions of people are apparently desperate to see a live game at lunch-time. Jurgen was speaking for the Palace players as well as ours.

We, of course, are now without Matip and may be without Mac Allister too. Add in Alisson, Robertson, Thiago and Jota and it’s beginning to look like an injury crisis. Palace are without Doucoure who has snapped his achilles heel and the sensational Eze who isn’t as badly injured but hopefully won’t be rushed back to face us. That leaves a big hole in midfield for the home team which Bournemouth seem to have walked through last night.

Can we do the same? We hope so. It helps that Endo is now finding his feet in English football and his ability to get the ball quickly to whichever pair plays ahead of him will be key. So long as the match remains 0-0 that will be a simple enough task but without spectacular reward. He won’t be pressed. None of our back line will. Palace are among the most negative sides in the division under Hodgson and even at home like to sit back behind a stockade. This will put the onus on Szobozslai and Gravenberch (the likely two) as well as Trent to break Palace lines in the last third.

It’s been 15 matches since we last lost to Palace - put to the sword at Anfield by that gentleman footballer Christian Benteke. That makes it the longest unbeaten run since we first played them between the wars. But the last two fixtures ended in drab draws. What we need, therefore, is a bit of 0-7 (or better still 9-0) to remind ourselves, and the rest of the league, that Liverpool are gearing up for a serious 2024. I look at our team - even with its injuries - and I look at theirs and think there’s no reason why we shouldn’t blow them away. Up front Darwin continues to make life hell for defenders and heaven for goalkeepers but will almost certainly start on Saturday. Goals please. I wonder too whether Gakpo might crop up on the left to give Luis Diaz some respite. Danger players for them? Olise obviously. At least Tsimikas will be fresh to face that particular threat. Ayew should provide a tasty meal for Virg. The crucial thing will be to stop them scoring first. Against the Blades we actually achieved that. I expect the same again.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #1 on: December 7, 2023, 02:53:40 pm »
Said this in the Palace thread, but their fans are starting to turn on the manager, their injuries are starting to pile up a bit, they're not used to playing 3 games in a week, and to top it all off, they're managed by Roy Hodgson.

Think the lunchtime kickoff does us a favour too, their fans are a noisy bunch and an evening kickoff would've been trickier.

On paper, this should be a comfortable win.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #2 on: December 7, 2023, 03:10:30 pm »
Come on the mighty red men (or green and white men for this one)
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #3 on: December 7, 2023, 03:16:32 pm »
All away games are tricky even against a shite Hodgson team. Jurgen is going to have to rotate the team a bit. We could see a starting midfield of Endo ,Harvey and Gravenberch/Jones I reckon.
Nunez will obviously start this one and it was good to see Mo not finishing the Sheffield match. Even he's not a machine. Gakpo or Diaz for the other spot. Tsimi back will give us better balance on the left.
 I hate rotation and the imbalance it often brings but it's essential with the volume of games. I expect another uncomfortable win...

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #4 on: December 7, 2023, 03:21:21 pm »
Palace are struggling big time. We need to make sure this is a win, albeit it wont be easy.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #5 on: December 7, 2023, 03:29:47 pm »
Fortunately it's a happy hunting ground for us. Won there every season under Klopp apart from last season when we were awful.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #6 on: December 7, 2023, 03:37:17 pm »
More rotation, although we should be able to cope even with the injuries. I’ll take another tense 0-2 win here.

Expecting Gravenberch and Jones to come in for Szoboszlai and Mac Allister. Maybe Quansah steps in for Konate too?
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #7 on: December 7, 2023, 03:37:22 pm »
I don't like playing against negative team who are happy to sit back, break a couple of times and try to score. Right now that's what Palace have to do, because we'll eviscerate them if they try to come out and play football.

Let's get 2 early doors and play the most pedestrian controlling game we've ever seen, please!
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #8 on: December 7, 2023, 04:05:13 pm »
will be a slog.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #9 on: December 7, 2023, 04:26:14 pm »
If I remember correctly, it finished 0-0 last season, in one of the most boring games I've ever seen. Only half-chance I remember is Henderson getting in the way of a goalbound Trent free kick.

Palace look on the decline right now, and the Owl's comments won't have done much to incentivise Palace fans to get behind him. A tricky away fixture on paper but hopefully circumstances make it more comfortable in reality.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #10 on: December 7, 2023, 04:32:36 pm »
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #11 on: December 7, 2023, 04:32:53 pm »
None of our forwards have scored in the last 3 league games, hopefully that ends and we win as well

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #12 on: December 7, 2023, 05:06:41 pm »
Was our 0-7 thrashing there a few years ago also a 12:30 match?  Seems like it might have been.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #13 on: December 7, 2023, 05:23:54 pm »
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #14 on: December 7, 2023, 05:48:29 pm »
Said this in the Palace thread, but their fans are starting to turn on the manager, their injuries are starting to pile up a bit, they're not used to playing 3 games in a week, and to top it all off, they're managed by Roy Hodgson.

Think the lunchtime kickoff does us a favour too, their fans are a noisy bunch and an evening kickoff would've been trickier.

On paper, this should be a comfortable win.

Agree with everything said, it's a perfect time to play Palace IMO. We're more used to managing three games a week than they are, Hodgson probably doesn't even know they play again this weekend.

Said it recently on the Palace thread but they just seem like they've had the same team forever, loads just sticking round and seemingly never doing anything above an average level, yet they're never in a serious relegation scrap. Keeping Hodgson on was strange and I'd love to hammer them knowing it could be his last ever match, would feel fitting to me.

Even when they had Zaha it never felt like they scored goals, and they've never really made it work with any striker even though Benteke threatened to do so after leaving Liverpool. If we keep them quiet as we did Sheff Utd last night we should have too much at the other end.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #15 on: December 7, 2023, 06:00:30 pm »
Fortunately it's a happy hunting ground for us. Won there every season under Klopp apart from last season when we were awful.

Hendo I believe being in the way of a shot that was probably going in.

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« Reply #16 on: December 7, 2023, 06:10:35 pm »
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #17 on: December 7, 2023, 06:29:59 pm »
Hopefully a nice win and do these a favour and get that knobhead sacked so they can start enjoying football again. Good fanbase who deserve better than him stinking the place out.

3-1 to us I reckon, 1 for Gravenberch and 2 for Darwin (his thread bumped with criticism after the game for the finishes being too close to the goalie or something)

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #18 on: December 7, 2023, 06:45:55 pm »
Was our 0-7 thrashing there a few years ago also a 12:30 match?  Seems like it might have been.

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« Reply #19 on: December 7, 2023, 06:54:57 pm »
If it wasn't the shitty time slot it'd be easier but these are struggling. No doubt they'll get a reaction from a shit defeat like Sheff U did but will have to grind a win out.

Need Darwin and other forwards to start scoring. Hopefully the assist gives him some confidence.
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« Reply #20 on: December 7, 2023, 06:56:23 pm »
Was our 0-7 thrashing there a few years ago also a 12:30 match?  Seems like it might have been.

It was an odd game. Palace were on top for a lot of the first half. IIRC we scored early, then Palace were on top but couldn't break us down and then we got a 2nd just before half time. Second half they capitulated.

That was Hodgson as well. The amount of times we've faced him 'for surely the last time' in the last few years. Their game at Anfield that season was supposedly his last before retirement.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #21 on: December 7, 2023, 06:57:04 pm »
If it wasn't the shitty time slot it'd be easier but these are struggling. No doubt they'll get a reaction from a shit defeat like Sheff U did but will have to grind a win out.

Need Darwin and other forwards to start scoring. Hopefully the assist gives him some confidence.

Thought you said 12.30 kick offs are worse for a home team's atmosphere?  Surely it's in our favour.
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« Reply #22 on: December 7, 2023, 06:59:47 pm »
Thought you said 12.30 kick offs are worse for a home team's atmosphere?  Surely it's in our favour.

It's better in that sense but a few extra hours (or an extra day) would be more beneficial given we wouldn't have got back from Sheffield till early this morning and will have to travel down to London tomorrow. It's not enough preparation/recovery time. At least Palace haven't had to travel.

Selhurst Park isn't really a reactive ground though. You've got the ultras behind the goal who basically produce the same noise every week, there's no real variation.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #23 on: December 7, 2023, 07:01:16 pm »
I think this time slot is probably both bad for our players in terms of injury risk and also easier in terms of getting the win. Palace will struggle more with the short gap between games than we will and their fans will be just waking up for the lunchtime KO. 

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #24 on: December 7, 2023, 07:36:19 pm »
Looks like Mac Allister will miss this game so my team vs Palace is:  Kelleher, Trent, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Endo, Jones, Szoboszlai, Gakpo, Nunez, Salah
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #25 on: December 7, 2023, 10:00:08 pm »
Agree with everything said, it's a perfect time to play Palace IMO. We're more used to managing three games a week than they are, Hodgson probably doesn't even know they play again this weekend.
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« Reply #26 on: December 7, 2023, 10:32:57 pm »
Looks like Mac Allister will miss this game so my team vs Palace is:  Kelleher, Trent, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Enzo, Jones, Szoboszlai, Gakpo, Nunez, Salah

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« Reply #27 on: December 7, 2023, 10:35:09 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: December 8, 2023, 12:12:13 am »
Looks like Mac Allister will miss this game so my team vs Palace is:  Kelleher, Trent, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Enzo, Jones, Szoboszlai, Gakpo, Nunez, Salah

Yeah i would like to see that as well.  Not sure what Palace are like with set pieces but we have a few in there that can deal with that.  Add Gravenberch and Gomez and most of the team would be 6'1 and over. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 8, 2023, 12:37:49 am »
We need to rotate like hell to get this thing done then put on the heavies after 60

Thinking Gomez will need to play rb, lb, cb and invert, good thing hes fast.

hell with it its an owl team, 2 at the back should be enough. Virgils playing like 3 anyway.

   

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #30 on: December 8, 2023, 01:50:16 am »
Unsure if Klopp rests Szob considering he will have 8 days of rest after this. Endo keeps his place, I think Gravenberch gets the nod ahead of Jones on form.

If he does rotate heavily in midfield, the front 3 really need to turn up and see us through.
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« Reply #31 on: December 8, 2023, 04:30:49 am »
Thanks Yorky, are you going? Yes Eze is a very good player, it's a stroke of luck for us if he doesn't make it but Roy's comments sound like he's close.

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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #32 on: December 8, 2023, 05:33:24 am »
Said this in the Palace thread, but their fans are starting to turn on the manager, their injuries are starting to pile up a bit, they're not used to playing 3 games in a week, and to top it all off, they're managed by Roy Hodgson.

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Calling them "spoiled" in his post match interview won't have helped on that front either.

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They're in dreadful form.

What we cannot afford though is any form of complacency. If they're struggling and feeling a bit sorry for themselves, lets ensure it stays that way and we give no gifts whatsoever. No reason for hope. What I'd really like to see from us is control. That's something we've not seen a huge amount of this season, and is arguably one of the steps that this new side needs to take if it is to hit the heights of previous Klopp teams.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #33 on: December 8, 2023, 05:53:29 am »
Seems like weather is shite across the UK tomorrow?

Edit: I mean worse than regular shite.
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« Reply #34 on: December 8, 2023, 07:15:46 am »
Come on Redmen!!
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #36 on: December 8, 2023, 10:05:20 am »
Turn up. Win however. Go top of the league and get home. Sounds like a decent plan to me.

Palace have been pretty shit recently, but we know they will put a shift in against us, and their ground is a pretty hostile place. We need to quieten them down early doors. Pretty sure Nunez starts this after the midweek rest, and I reckon Endo keeps his spot after a really tidy game against Sheff United. I think Jones will start this one rather than Gravenberch in replacement of McAllister. Tsimikas back in - Gomez looked uncomfortable at left back.

I suppose one option is to start Gomez at right back and put Trent directly in midfield to replace McAllister (if deffo out) ?
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #37 on: December 8, 2023, 10:36:48 am »
Hoping to see Gravenberch and not Jones (who was absolutely dire when he came on the other night).

Hodgson will be happy to take a draw here, but I think we'll win 1-0 (Salah).
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #38 on: December 8, 2023, 10:43:16 am »
Hoping to see Gravenberch and not Jones (who was absolutely dire when he came on the other night).

Hodgson will be happy to take a draw here, but I think we'll win 1-0 (Salah).

I’m hoping to see both.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Liverpool preview
« Reply #39 on: December 8, 2023, 10:48:07 am »
Was our 0-7 thrashing there a few years ago also a 12:30 match?  Seems like it might have been.

It was. Scored after about 2 minutes which always helps. And then went about 4 games without scoring!

I think we should win but I think it’ll be a playing within ourselves type of game where we try and manage the game and do just enough, I do t think we’ll run riot. And frankly that’s all we need at this stage with so many big games on the horizon. I’d take a nice 0-2 again, but not wait to the 95th minute to get the 2nd this time!

The manager had to think 2-3 games ahead with team selections so quite hard to predict what we’ll go with. Won’t necessarily be Konate alongside Virg. Presumably Tsimikas comes back in?

No idea about midfield but not against Endo starting again. See how Mac Allister is. Curtis and Harvey will be chomping at the bit to get starts so at least we have plenty of options.

Mo will start. I think Darwin will come back in and then possibly Gakpo off the left and give Diaz a break but who knows.