Topic: Curtis Jones

[TepidT2O]

That was a shocker of a miss. Has been very poor since he came back. Hopefully, he can find his pre-injury form.

Of course he will. But it’s not a switch, you can’t switch it on and off.

[Garlic Red]

I didn’t think Jones was that bad either.

There’s a camp of supporters with him that watch every aspect of his game through the prism of he’s shite, not good enough and only plays because he’s scouse. I try and stay off Twitter for Liverpool fan opinions but I’ve had a few screenshots sent to me by mates of other clubs and it’s embarrassing some of the shite people are saying about him.

He’s had a top 12 months and established himself as a reliable first team starter. The injuries are killing his development as every time he gets going he gets another injury. We all know how that turned out for Keita, like Keita he too takes a run of games to fully find his feet. The stat knocking around about Quansah being second only to Trent when it comes to minutes played by an academy player under Klopp in a season is mental considering Jones has been around the first team for 5-6 years now. Injuries are the only reason that stat exists.

[jillcwhomever]

He’s paid enough money to get over it and at an elite level he needs to bury that or have the brains to square it. He reverted to how he was pre last ten games last season today. Hopefully he can shake it off.

The chances are if he'd had that chance a couple of games down the road he would have put it in. Or maybe if it had been in an away game where is there less pressure/expectation from the crowd. He's need to get up to speed and it doesn't happen instantly, you only had to watch Trent today to see that.

[Schmidt]

It's one chance, we didn't lose that game because a midfielder missed a shot.

He's a really good player but he doesn't really seem to get any leeway even when coming back from injury, he either players flawless or he gets stick.

I do think he's been brought back into the team a bit too quickly after a long lay off though, Gravenberch could surely have started against Atalanta for example.

[kloppismydad]

He’s paid enough money to get over it

 

Just because he's paid money, it means his emotions are turned off automatically?

[Asam]

Jones is a player who needs a run of games to regain his rhythm after an injury, some players get back into game mode immediately, he’s not one of them, will produce better form towards the final few games, the miss was poor, he didn’t even hit the target which is most frustrating but half the team missed decent chances today

[Redley]

He’s been brilliant this season, gutted that his injury came when it did and now trying to get up to speed when we’re playing crap. Bad miss, but not sure I’d be particularly confident with any of our players in that position right now

[bornandbRED]

Don’t know why he tried to put it into the top corner instead of just sliding it past the keeper.. there was so much open goal to aim at. Similar to Diaz vs City.

[ljycb]

I find it interesting that people are talking about him "lingering" on the ball, because him being so comfortable in possession is what I would say is one of his biggest strengths and one of the reasons why last season's Liverpool were able to improve and one of the reasons why this season's Liverpool have been able to build up to this point. If anything, my main concern with his performance this afternoon was that he did not settle down and was too rushed in his decision making when he was on the ball.

[AndyMuller]

Keeps hold of the ball for too long and misses a sitter.

[Wool]

He’s just come back from a shite injury and is lacking sharpness, don’t really understand the over the top criticism.

[TepidT2O]

Keeps hold of the ball for too long and misses a sitter.

?been our best midfielder for a year.  Been out injured, needs to get rhythm.
But most of all, he’s a human being
. . 

[red_Mark1980]

Hope he can get past that miss. No doubt, it will be keeping him up tonight.

Yeah..poor Curtis..fuck me

[red_Mark1980]

He’s just come back from a shite injury and is lacking sharpness, don’t really understand the over the top criticism.

It's the fact he's allowed to escape criticism. If we can praise him when he's great.

We can criticise him when he's crap.

Like Endo and Dom today

[wampa1]

He’s been brilliant this season, gutted that his injury came when it did and now trying to get up to speed when we’re playing crap. Bad miss, but not sure I’d be particularly confident with any of our players in that position right now

Yep, Diaz did exactly the same v City.

[Keith Lard]

Last few games of the season will prob see us return to a box midfield with Trent as inverted fullback. Jones thrived in this system at the end of last season.

In posession:

Alisson

Konate
Virgil
Robbo

Trent
Mac

Jones
Szobo

Salah
Nunez
Diaz


Out of posession

Ali

Trent
Konate
Virgil
Robbo

Szobo
Mac
Jones

Diaz
Nunez
Salah

[Knight]

It's the fact he's allowed to escape criticism. If we can praise him when he's great.

We can criticise him when he's crap.

Like Endo and Dom today

The criticism of Jones is wild though. Totally OTT. Called a bottler in the match thread. People saying he's only in the team because he's a scouser. Just the worst recency bias.

[Draex]

This is what I meant by I didn't think he did that bad, he was the only player pressing, which is you know the foundation our defending is based on..

"I think Curtis [Jones] was really going for it, following through, stuff like that, besides that the first line were a bit too far away from each other, no real impulse. Macca [Alexis Mac Allister] and Wataru, maybe normal, didn't really follow in as well and the last line was too deep as well."
"I would say Curtis today was really good"

Klopp

[LallanaInPyjamas]

It's one chance, we didn't lose that game because a midfielder missed a shot.

He's a really good player but he doesn't really seem to get any leeway even when coming back from injury, he either players flawless or he gets stick.

Did you ever really think he was going to score though? I didn't. Not only because he was having such a poor day on the ball, but he always lacks decisive impact around both boxes, and to a lesser extent tangible impact on matches in general. He's a lovely modern footballer (converted wide man into midfield, nice touch, comfortable when being pressed etc) and a useful squad player to have - but if he's "brilliant" or any phrase like that as so many of our fans continually label him then our standards have massively dropped.

[Draex]

Did you ever really think he was going to score though? I didn't. Not only because he was having such a poor day on the ball, but he always lacks decisive impact around both boxes, and to a lesser extent tangible impact on matches in general. He's a lovely modern footballer (converted wide man into midfield, nice touch, comfortable when being pressed etc) and a useful squad player to have - but if he's "brilliant" or any phrase like that as so many of our fans continually label him then our standards have massively dropped.

Eh? Jones has scored some lovely goals coming in at the back post, first time finishes a forward would be proud of.

I find it pretty poor anyone is criticising his finishing, our forwards were gash again, they need to be better, not the central midfielder who is just back from injury.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Eh? Jones has scored some lovely goals coming in at the back post, first time finishes a forward would be proud of.

I find it pretty poor anyone is criticising his finishing, our forwards were gash again, they need to be better, not the central midfielder who is just back from injury.

He ghosts in well at times yes, but for a player who banged them in at youth level, he lacks serious conviction when asked to generate a strike himself.

He's scored 7 goals in 83 league games, I don't think it's unreasonable to be asking for much better output than that for a player who has often played as our fourth most attacking player on the pitch.

If you compare that to the guy in my username who I would say Jones has naturally replaced in the squad over the years as our technical link guy - Lallana scored 17 in 88 in his first three seasons before injury ruined him. Yet he was accused of a lack of output as well, understandably so at times, because those numbers were not exactly spectacular and he could be guilty of taking the easy option rather than trying to play someone too often.

[Fromola]

Surprised he started given he was hauled off at half time the other night. Too many players rusty at the moment.

That miss today was such a killer though. He scores that we probably go on and win the game. It's going to haunt us that. Has to score.

We constantly fuck up those breakaways that were always our trademark.

[Asam]

It’s easy for us to say he shouldn’t have started, hindsight is always 20-20

[Knight]

Did you ever really think he was going to score though? I didn't. Not only because he was having such a poor day on the ball, but he always lacks decisive impact around both boxes, and to a lesser extent tangible impact on matches in general. He's a lovely modern footballer (converted wide man into midfield, nice touch, comfortable when being pressed etc) and a useful squad player to have - but if he's "brilliant" or any phrase like that as so many of our fans continually label him then our standards have massively dropped.

He doesn't take many shots but he's quite effective when he does, so yes I thought he'd score.

He ghosts in well at times yes, but for a player who banged them in at youth level, he lacks serious conviction when asked to generate a strike himself.

He's scored 7 goals in 83 league games, I don't think it's unreasonable to be asking for much better output than that for a player who has often played as our fourth most attacking player on the pitch.

If you compare that to the guy in my username who I would say Jones has naturally replaced in the squad over the years as our technical link guy - Lallana scored 17 in 88 in his first three seasons before injury ruined him. Yet he was accused of a lack of output as well, understandably so at times, because those numbers were not exactly spectacular and he could be guilty of taking the easy option rather than trying to play someone too often.

This significantly misunderstands what Jones is asked to do on a football pitch for us. He's much closer to Gini than you're giving him credit for here. He's a lot like Thiago was for us (they both play the majority of their football from the left sided 8 position) and, whilst Jones' passing is nowhere near as incisive as Thiago's (he can join 99.9% of other midfielders in that), he's often got a 'controlling 8' brief. So no, Jones has rarely been the 4th most attacking player on the pitch for us. If you want to assess his output (goals and assists) compare him with Thiago and Gini. Well done though, you're no longer calling him a bottler so your posts about him have improved.

[Knight]

This is what I meant by I didn't think he did that bad, he was the only player pressing, which is you know the foundation our defending is based on..

"I think Curtis [Jones] was really going for it, following through, stuff like that, besides that the first line were a bit too far away from each other, no real impulse. Macca [Alexis Mac Allister] and Wataru, maybe normal, didn't really follow in as well and the last line was too deep as well."
"I would say Curtis today was really good"

Klopp

This.

[Caps4444]

Surprised he started given he was hauled off at half time the other night. Too many players rusty at the moment.

That miss today was such a killer though. He scores that we probably go on and win the game. It's going to haunt us that. Has to score.

We constantly fuck up those breakaways that were always our trademark.

Diaz v City, Curtis today 2 huge moments.  We’ve had not a lot of change from these huge moments, even Trent v Arsenal.

[cornishscouser92]

Decent as a back-up/squad option, especially for the English quotas for Europe. Although he has a similar player profile to Wijnaldum he doesn't have that quality, unfortunately.

[Caps4444]

Decent as a back-up/squad option, especially for the English quotas for Europe. Although he has a similar player profile to Wijnaldum he doesn't have that quality, unfortunately.

I’ve always said, he’s a great squad player and can have periods where he is excellent. However if he was playing for another team, would we ever bid for him?

[cornishscouser92]

I’ve always said, he’s a great squad player and can have periods where he is excellent. However if he was playing for another team, would we ever bid for him?

There will be some hot takes about who we should and shouldn't keep over the summer. I'd probably keep him on the basis the squad isn't that deep in the middle of the park, and the quota rules. He's a step down in quality from the 18-20 & 21/22 midfields but he's not poor.

[robertobaggio37]

Just watched the highlights. Definitely the worst miss of the bunch.

[TepidT2O]

It's the fact he's allowed to escape criticism. If we can praise him when he's great.

We can criticise him when he's crap.

Like Endo and Dom today

Yeah, but there’s a huge range between a rusty player trying to get back into trophy nick and throwing him under the bus as ‘he’s only in the team because he’s a scouser’.

We’ve had a touch of the yips.  Mostly because winning stuff is really really hard.

But he’s the future, and we should be happy with that

[Fromola]

Just watched the highlights. Definitely the worst miss of the bunch.

Defining moment. A minute earlier Ali pulls off a miracle save at point blank range, we go up the other end and score and it turns the game on its head and our luck is in. Instead it drained whatever belief was left when he spooned it.

[Cozzymoto]

Yeah, but there’s a huge range between a rusty player trying to get back into trophy nick and throwing him under the bus as ‘he’s only in the team because he’s a scouser’.

We’ve had a touch of the yips.  Mostly because winning stuff is really really hard.

But he’s the future, and we should be happy with that

He’s not the future really. Squad player at best, and I won’t be surprised if he will eventually look for more playing time. He’s not Klopps first choice, and I’m one of those that do like him, but he won’t be when the next manager comes in.

[Andy82lfc]

Just watched the highlights. Definitely the worst miss of the bunch.

It wasn’t just the worst miss it was that he had Salah screaming for it next to him. Know it sounds awful but he’d been missing so many soft passes and making daft fouls etc when it got slid through and I saw it was him I literally lost most hope.

To be completely fair though we can rip shreds out of the majority of them the last couple of games, just got to hope they can all turn it around and get out of this dip. Atalanta feels like almost a free hit now so fingers crossed that alleviates some pressure and they can get it back.

[TepidT2O]

He’s not the future really. Squad player at best, and I won’t be surprised if he will eventually look for more playing time. He’s not Klopps first choice, and I’m one of those that do like him, but he won’t be when the next manager comes in.

unutterable garbage this opinion. Sorry.

[duvva 💅]

He’s not the future really. Squad player at best, and I won’t be surprised if he will eventually look for more playing time. He’s not Klopps first choice, and I’m one of those that do like him, but he won’t be when the next manager comes in.

Before injury he’d been one of our players of the first part of the season and had definitely become first choice. He’s been injured for a couple of months and come back into the team looking rusty just as they’ve all collectively fallen off a cliff.

What is it about posters who write off players Liverpool careers after a couple of iffy performances (every player, not just Curtis), no one is safe or given any leeway anymore. It’s a pathetic way to support

[Bennett]

I try and stay off Twitter for Liverpool fan opinions but I’ve had a few screenshots sent to me by mates of other clubs

Tell your mates to give their head a wobble if they're screenshotting Twitter as if the opinions there make any difference to anything in the real world.

[StL-Dono]

He’s not the future really. Squad player at best, and I won’t be surprised if he will eventually look for more playing time. He’s not Klopps first choice, and I’m one of those that do like him, but he won’t be when the next manager comes in.

Hahahahahahaha....   

The poster who was intimating that Jones is immune from criticism clearly is a first time RAWK reader.  This kind of asinine take is littered throughout the CJ thread. 

[Schmidt]

Jones has been pretty consistently first choice since he returned from injury last season.

[RyanBabel19]

He’s class but we look out of sorts and he’s trying to refind form after a long lay off

The miss was really poor and I think it typified the teams performance. Do feel he was hung out to dry a little today, pressed well and looked up to see zero support in the press which allowed an easy escape from Palace