Topic: Liverpool Transfer Thread 2024 - Who is going to Slot in?

[mullyred94]

WE ARE NOT BUYING GORDON

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Don't care if we do or not, but my point stands.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

How the hell would Gordon not be good enough?

His 22/23 and already out performing 27 year old Luis Diaz.

Jesus we over rate our players and under rate others.

I would argue it is strongly the other way. We finished 3rd, 14 points above 4th place and only 9 points off top. 3rd most goals scored and 3rd least goals conceded, one of 3 teams to win a trophy.

Yet apparently literally any player we have been linked to will improve us or instantly be the best or 2nd best player in that position for us.

[jepovic]

Its never too early to claim that a transfer window has failed

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Don't care if we do or not, but my point stands.

I think your point to rate him stands. I don't think your point about us overrating our own players stands at all in fact I think the opposite is true

[mullyred94]

I would argue it is strongly the other way. We finished 3rd, 14 points above 4th place and only 9 points off top. 3rd most goals scored and 3rd least goals conceded, one of 3 teams to win a trophy.

Yet apparently literally any player we have been linked to will improve us or instantly be the best or 2nd best player in that position for us.

What?

What does us winning the league cup have to do with Diaz or Gordon being a better player?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

We are not spending 80-100 million on Anthony Gordon so go away and say the window is a failure and be done with it

[mullyred94]

We are not spending 80-100 million on Anthony Gordon so go away and say the window is a failure and be done with it

Are you okay mate?

Are you on anything or just make up what you want?

1. When did i say we should spend 80-100m on Gordon.

2. When did I say if we don't sign Gordon its a failure?

3. I've also claimed many times in this thread the first few transfers wouldn't be a forward.

I asked a question and you've turned it around to say If we don't sign Gordon I'm going to view the transfer window as a failure?

Where have I said anything of this?

[Crosby Nick]

WE ARE NOT BUYING GORDON

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From the Echo?

[Egyptian36]

How the hell would Gordon not be good enough?

His 22/23 and already out performing 27 year old Luis Diaz.

Jesus we over rate our players and under rate others.

Diaz is not overrated. A lot of people calling for an upgrade.
Gordon maybe good enough but plenty of players are, we should be looking for better player especially with how much he would cost. It's Sancho all over again.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

What?

What does us winning the league cup have to do with Diaz or Gordon being a better player?

You want to tackle the other part of the comment then about how good a season we had. Which is in response to us apparently overrating our own players

For such a good team there's apparently a lot of holes in our squad which a lot of mediocre players can improve.

This isn't about Gordon or Diaz, that point people can argue amongst themselves over their fam fiction of us signing Gordon.

I am more commenting on the "we overrate our own players" bit. This thread is at the moment about how we are pretty weak everywhere and can be easily improved.

Can we be improved? Yes. Are we overrating our own players? Generally no we are not we actually largely sound like we are dissatisfied with a squad that did incredibly well

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Are you okay mate?

Are you on anything or just make up what you want?

1. When did i say we should spend 80-100m on Gordon.

2. When did I say if we don't sign Gordon its a failure?

3. I've also claimed many times in this thread the first few transfers wouldn't be a forward.

I asked a question and you've turned it around to say If we don't sign Gordon I'm going to view the transfer window as a failure?

Where have I said anything of this?

This isn't a response to you it is a response to the thread as a whole who have this idea that Anthony Gordon is the perfect signing for us.

If I am replying to you I will quote you

My apologies for the confusion, but don't turn it around as me not answering the question because that post wasn't a response to you

[mullyred94]

This isn't a response to you it is a response to the thread as a whole who have this idea that Anthony Gordon is the perfect signing for us.

If I am replying to you I will quote you

My apologies for the confusion, but don't turn it around as me not answering the question because that post wasn't a response to you

That's fair enough mate, all good.

I was mistaken too I will also apologize.

[RyanBabel19]

Are we feeding Chelsea their transfer targets ? Seems like they are copying us every window.

They were sold the honour by Tottenham a few years ago for an undiscolsed fee

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

WE ARE NOT BUYING GORDON

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Fine but why are you yelling that while falling down a well?

[RyanBabel19]

How the hell would Gordon not be good enough?

His 22/23 and already out performing 27 year old Luis Diaz.

Jesus we over rate our players and under rate others.

Not sure who said he wouldn’t be good enough for us but I think the overall feel is that he is a good player who isn’t worth what they would ask for which is likely gonna be a ridiculous fee

It’s not about overrating our own players, it’s about realism.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Fine but why are you yelling that while falling down a well?

To lock myself away from this madness until it's over. I can crawl out the well the start of the season

[mullyred94]

Not sure who said he wouldn’t be good enough for us but I think the overall feel is that he is a good player who isn’t worth what they would ask for which is likely gonna be a ridiculous fee

It’s not about overrating our own players, it’s about realism.

They've not made UCL, they need to sell to buy mate.

100m is fair enough, but 60-70m? I'd take him.

Lets say Diaz was sold for 70 and Gordon was bought for 70m in the sense where this 100m is not out there.

Is it worth doing?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Not sure who said he wouldn’t be good enough for us but I think the overall feel is that he is a good player who isn’t worth what they would ask for which is likely gonna be a ridiculous fee

It’s not about overrating our own players, it’s about realism.

I think it's also a point to say that his underlying numbers are worse than Diaz too.

Now he is younger so likely to improve, but has he shown enough to say he is an 80-100 million player? Is he an absolute game changer of a player? I do not believe that he is. Improvement, maybe but not definitely I don't feel, but not to that level either way.

A signing we make should either be a more obvious and real improvement, or someone at a more reasonable price. If you are getting Gordon or someone of a similar profile for around 40-60 million then that's a different ball game.

In the end however it all seems a moot point since no reliable link has been made to him.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

They've not made UCL, they need to sell to buy mate.

100m is fair enough, but 60-70m? I'd take him.

Lets say Diaz was sold for 70 and Gordon was bought for 70m in the sense where this 100m is not out there.

Is it worth doing?

60 mil is probably the tippy-top end of what I would say for him. Although I also feel if we sold Diaz for 70 million that's really good business on our part, I think he is probably about 60 mill or a little over himself

60 is what we got Szoboszlai for last summer and he is someone I feel at Leipzig was a more exciting prospect at the time we signed him. Factor in English tax and all that I think 60 million is a fair top rate

[BER]

Any truth to the Gordon stuff? Would be a brilliant signing.

[Spezialo]

I also used to think Gordon was a bit of a whopper, but hearing him speak on the Overlap really altered my view. Worth a watch while we wait for the first Joyce bomb

Yes it's a good watch that. The Rooney one is good also.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Any truth to the Gordon stuff? Would be a brilliant signing.

No

[So… Howard Philips]

They were sold the honour by Tottenham a few years ago for an undiscolsed fee

And an eight year contract.

[mullyred94]

60 mil is probably the tippy-top end of what I would say for him. Although I also feel if we sold Diaz for 70 million that's really good business on our part, I think he is probably about 60 mill or a little over himself

Just going on the PSG links of 75m from a little while ago.

I'd personally just take the punt on Olise and his hamstrings but I doubt Edwards does that.

Still lets say for basically the same fee sell Diaz and buy Gordon would you do it?

[RyanBabel19]

They've not made UCL, they need to sell to buy mate.

100m is fair enough, but 60-70m? I'd take him.

Lets say Diaz was sold for 70 and Gordon was bought for 70m in the sense where this 100m is not out there.

Is it worth doing?

That’s a beautiful story but I said realism.

They bought him for £45 million ffs, no a chance they’re selling him for £60 - £70 million.

Which is exactly the reason people are saying we wont buy him! It’s likely no one is paying £70 million for Diaz either, the most talked up interested team are Barca, who have run their finances into the ground with buys like Coutinho and Dembele. It’s all good and well talking up dream scenarios but the likelihood looks ridiculously slim so you can’t really be critical of those being realistic if this is the approach.

It’s great you would take him, as yet he’s not showing himself to be a 70 million player IMO. In fact barely a whisper of Gordons name graced our fans lips till he mentioned he’s a huge Gerrard fan in an interview

And an eight year contract.

It’s been a remarkable deal for them directly contributing to them securing their player of the year Caicedo and young player of the year Lavia

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Just going on the PSG links of 75m from a little while ago.

I'd personally just take the punt on Olise and his hamstrings but I doubt Edwards does that.

Still lets say for basically the same fee sell Diaz and buy Gordon would you do it?

I probably would but I would also probably have more preferred options too (someone like Kvara for example)

[just Riggins?]

There’s not nothing in it. Ornstein said

 “Liverpool (like Manchester City and many other clubs) really like Gordon, but they are not expected to pursue the winger because Newcastle have no intention of letting him go and, even if that stance was changeable, the potential level of fee it would take to do business would be astronomical. I’m certain Gordon is staying at Newcastle this summer.”

That was before they missed on Europe I think. Think it’s unlikely but not out of the question. Could see us waiting till next year even.

[GinKop]

From the Echo?

Close the thread. It's peaked.

[Hedley Lamarr]

So I see the transfer thread has got off to it's normal start, he who speaks the loudest and all that shite.

[G Richards]

For probably a similar price to Gordon, I would much prefer Kudus. I think he is going to become one of the best players in the Prem.

For a likely lower price than both, I would prefer Bakayoko to Gordon. More development to come, but he is breaking through and now would be a good time to get him.

Beyond that maybe Williams might be a diamond we could polish, lots of athletic gifts there. Summerville could be of interest too, but it’s hard to know how good he is from a Championship side, and if we sign him, hopefully it is as the second, lesser, of two attackers we sign, depending on movement of other players.

I’m not sure what I think about Olise. Very good player, doesn’t have the blistering sort of pace that we might want in a winger, and there are possible injury issues, as well as lots of competition driving the price up.

I don’t like the way Gordon goes about his business, diving, engineering contact, clicking his heels and so on. He’s obviously a good player, but at the likely price point I don’t see value there and would much rather go elsewhere.

[jonkrux]

I think we probably need three players for next season but it's all a bit of a mystery with Slot coming in, I can't pretend that I know a lot about his football obviously..

But in this league we need a defensive minded midfielder. I like Endo, very much so, but he's not the calibre of a Rodri, Rice or Fabinho before his legs went. Ederson appears to tick a lot of the boxes with Endo in a rotational role perhaps..

A right sided forward is also important, not entirely sure who we profile there but would like someone who isn't afraid to beat a man and have decent end product but who's out there? We need to start thinking of a salah replacement in my opinion.

We also need a keeper if Kelleher goes, who do you think we are looking at in that respect?

[JP!]

No

But what about Gordon? WHAT ABOUT HIM?!

To be fair we had 10 pages discussing Olise despite not a single outlet reporting even slight interest in him, why not.

I think we should sign Declan Rice and if FSG don't get it done they're mingebags

[Jookie]

I said this a few weeks ago but I expect it to be a pretty slow window for all concerned. I just don’t think there’s that much money in the market due to concerns about PSR compliance.

It might mean there’s a few bargains to be had later in the window. Equally it might be hard to shift squad players who are unwanted or want to move for 1st team football. We saw a bit of this in January.


There’s definitely a feel that teams don’t really understand how PSR and other factors will shape transfer fees. That potentially adds risk and opportunity this summer. Just reckon things will move slowly in the June/July timeframes. Even more so with Euros and Copa America on-going

[JP!]

I said this a few weeks ago but I expect it to be a pretty slow window for all concerned. I just don’t think there’s that much money in the market due to concerns about PSR compliance.

It might mean there’s a few bargains to be had later in the window. Equally it might be hard to shift squad players who are unwanted or want to move for 1st team football. We saw a bit of this in January.


There’s definitely a feel that teams don’t really understand how PSR and other factors will shape transfer fees. That potentially adds risk and opportunity this summer. Just reckon things will move slowly in the June/July timeframes. Even more so with Euros and Copa America on-going

I agree, lack of liquidity in the market plus Euros/Copa would suggest to me a lot of late deals getting done.

[Garlic Red]

WE ARE NOT BUYING GORDON

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[mullyred94]

That’s a beautiful story but I said realism.

They bought him for £45 million ffs, no a chance they’re selling him for £60 - £70 million.

Which is exactly the reason people are saying we wont buy him! It’s likely no one is paying £70 million for Diaz either, the most talked up interested team are Barca, who have run their finances into the ground with buys like Coutinho and Dembele. It’s all good and well talking up dream scenarios but the likelihood looks ridiculously slim so you can’t really be critical of those being realistic if this is the approach.

It’s great you would take him, as yet he’s not showing himself to be a 70 million player IMO. In fact barely a whisper of Gordons name graced our fans lips till he mentioned he’s a huge Gerrard fan in an interview

It’s been a remarkable deal for them directly contributing to them securing their player of the year Caicedo and young player of the year Lavia

He signed 3 year contract there is 2 years left and as I said they will have to sell someone to be able to spend ?

25-30m profit in one season isn’t bad either is it?

Just a bit weird with most interviews I’ve seen him giving compliments about Anfield salah etc as well? Thought there might be something in it.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Gordon got double figures in the league for both goals and assists. That's pretty impressive considering it was for a team that finished 7th.

[Garlic Red]

Not sure who said he wouldn’t be good enough for us but I think the overall feel is that he is a good player who isn’t worth what they would ask for which is likely gonna be a ridiculous fee

It’s not about overrating our own players, it’s about realism.

There are plenty of posters who don’t seem to rate Gordon, fuck knows why. In the two games against us alone he shown enough moments of quality to suggest he’s good enough for us. The goal at SJP was class, the through ball that led to Virgil being sent off was class and the assist for Isak at Anfield, again, was class.

There can be no doubts if his price tag is £80m+ he’s probably (not definitely) too expensive for us when we usually have a long list of targets for the forward positions, it’s not like he’s Caicedo or Tchouameni as the only high quality option at the position.

But the reason I’ve been going on about him is because he’s exactly what we go for outside of the price. His numbers are excellent, his skill set is everything we value and he still has tons of untapped potential. I wouldn’t be shocked if he does another year at Newcastle and every big club in the league is fighting for him in 12 months. Ornstein said both us and City really like Gordon but Newcastle either won’t do business or the price to do business is too much. That’ll all change in 12 months when he has a year on his deal and can force the issue.

[William Regal]

How do people rate Fofana at Monaco?

[KC7]

Diaz is not overrated. A lot of people calling for an upgrade.
Gordon maybe good enough but plenty of players are, we should be looking for better player especially with how much he would cost. It's Sancho all over again.

He's a fantastic player.

Much has been said about his impact when he arrived, but rather than the injury layoff affecting him since, I don't think it's any coincidence he gave his best performances in his first five months when the midfield was at it. He settled in fast as he arrived in a team that was elite in every department (albeit for the last time under Klopp). Had he came in the following January with a midfield that was getting overrun he would have struggled by comparison.

Since then, with the decline in energy, pressing and intensity of the midfield he's had to do more stuff on his own, produce something from nothing, and in that scenario you won't be as consistent. He has still been good in flashes, but it's harder to perform when the rest of the team isn't fully operating. Nunez has been here two years and he's yet to play infront of a midfield that wins the ball back quickly, and high up the field, to set him clear in space against a scampering, disorganised backline anywhere close to as much as he'd like. We are slow, unathletic, give slow/poor ball to the forward players (in comparison to the 2018 to 2022 years) who are often faced with a defence that is already set.

We create alot, but alot of the chances often aren't clear cut. 28 at West Ham, yet we needed a scuffed goal from Robbo and an OG. We don't batter teams into submission anymore since the peak years. The one anomaly over the past two years was the 7-0 over United, although that can be explained by them downing tools in the second half. Just prior to that August 2018 to 2022 side we also carved teams open at will, the hiding given to Moscow, or going 5 up vs Roma, or 4 up vs Abu Dahbi, as the midfield pressing machine was at full power.

Different manager but the same rule applies, until we sort out the midfield both ends of the field will suffer.