Topic: The Klopp Template

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

[clinical]

2 of the 3 teams that finished above us won't be getting the same luck again next season surely. Especially spurs due to their English golden boys. Take into account we lost points due to bad calls and they both gained along with champions league football distraction we'd be ahead of both.



If all fans are being honest we're the second best side in the league and deep down both of those would swap where they are for where we are in development.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Pearce gives some insight via Q&A on what we're planning on doing for the summer

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-news-transfer-rumours-live-14653356

[Gerry Attrick]

Pearce gives some insight via Q&A on what we're planning on doing for the summer

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-news-transfer-rumours-live-14653356

It's quite interesting that goalkeeper talk wasn't shut down. If Karius was guaranteed to be number 1 next year I doubt he'd have even bothered mentioning Alisson.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I believe if we can agree on a ''reasonable'' price for Alisson, we will sign him.

[CraigDS]

It's quite interesting that goalkeeper talk wasn't shut down. If Karius was guaranteed to be number 1 next year I doubt he'd have even bothered mentioning Alisson.

Gotta fill them column inches!

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Gotta fill them column inches!

Wasn't a column tho.

[CraigDS]

Wasn't a column tho.

I more meant there are a lot more inches to fill with that story over the next few months, he can't go knocking all the rumours on their head and leaving himself nothing to write 

[Djozer]

I believe if we can agree on a ''reasonable'' price for Alisson, we will sign him.

Do wonder about this. On balance, I'd prefer him to Karius - even if he wasn't that great against us in the semi, from what I've seen I still think he's a really good keeper. Sweeps like Karius but is a better shot stopper, and just has a bit more presence about him. That said, Loris has come on in leaps and bounds, and I'd have no problem at all with him being our first choice going into next season.

Also, with regards to the 'reasonable' price bit - I reckon that with the competition for his signature, and Roma's CL windfall from their run this year, they'll have little need of selling on the cheap, as they were forced to with Salah. Can quite easily seeing Alisson being £60m or more and if so, I think I'd rather stick with what we have.

My favourite bit of that interview was when Pearce said he'd heard fuck all about us being interested in Butland. My least favourite bit was when he said he'd heard fuck all about any agreement for Fekir.

[Samie]

The Canal+ journo who broke the Fekir news initially said not to expect anything before June 30th.  Also Ged has been to a few of our games recently.  He's tight with the Lyon owner. 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Well said djozer, I do like that Pearce said that he expects things to start happening early June for us

[Machae]

When does the Summer transfer forum open, window officially opens in a few days and need the latest instalment from Sega Diallo

[drmick]

When does the Summer transfer forum open, window officially opens in a few days and need the latest instalment from Sega Diallo

The fact that the window opens ages before the CL final is going to message mods' heads up haha!

[BrandoLFC]

Did I really come back from vacation to read 2 pages of someone claiming Douglas Costa is better than Mane?  Jesus...

[vagabond]

The fact that the window opens ages before the CL final is going to message mods' heads up haha!

If it's opening that early why do we have to wait until June 30th to hear news? I want that Fekir asap!

[Samie]

Did I really come back from vacation to read 2 pages of someone claiming Douglas Costa is better than Mane?  Jesus...

You've had too many Margarita's mate. No one thinks that.

[U-238A]

Does anyone have any statistics on how many chances we concede in in the first 70 or so minutes compared to the last 20? People complain about our defence and keeper but I'm hypothesising the drop in midfielder and front 3 pressing intensity as the culprit.

[LondonLFCFan]

Karius could keep improving. He has the opportunity to, and Klopp probably likes his work rate. imho.

He has to face Salah, Mane and Firmino everyday during training. Definitely improved quite a bit since January.

Think a bit more work during training dealing with Trent and Robbo crossing the ball in to our front 3, and corners with VVD and Lovren in the box would be the best training any goalie will ever get. 

Klopp might have seen something he likes that we have not realised to have persevered with him ? 

[Agent99]

Does anyone have any statistics on how many chances we concede in in the first 70 or so minutes compared to the last 20? People complain about our defence and keeper but I'm hypothesising the drop in midfielder and front 3 pressing intensity as the culprit.

Not chances but number of goals conceded by minute. Interesting that the Top 4 score most goals between 76-90+ minutes but us and Spurs concede more goals in this period than at any other time.

http://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

[Djozer]

Not chances but number of goals conceded by minute. Interesting that the Top 4 score most goals between 76-90+ minutes but us and Spurs concede more goals in this period than at any other time.

http://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

That is interesting, nice one. Sort of fits with the idea of both teams being hard running pressing sides, who might be expected to tire at the very end of games. We don't seem to do that well in the first 15 minutes either. This season we seem to have been a bit slower early doors, compared to last season when we often seemed (from memory) to start really quickly and try and blow teams away early on.

Interesting that we appear, from those stats, to have our best periods in the middle 15 of each half. Just happenstance or the result of some facet of the way we play?

[Giono]

Wasn't a column tho.

Then it is promoting his coumn.

[woof]

Not chances but number of goals conceded by minute. Interesting that the Top 4 score most goals between 76-90+ minutes but us and Spurs concede more goals in this period than at any other time.

http://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

I suppose the games against West Brom and Stoke come to mind although it was the tail end of the season when our players were almost running on empty.
I doubt it'll happen but we need a plan B.

[Mizerooskie]

Not chances but number of goals conceded by minute. Interesting that the Top 4 score most goals between 76-90+ minutes but us and Spurs concede more goals in this period than at any other time.

http://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

The home stats here are staggering.

36 scored - 4 conceded before the last 15 minutes

In the last 15?  9-6.

[U-238A]

Not chances but number of goals conceded by minute. Interesting that the Top 4 score most goals between 76-90+ minutes but us and Spurs concede more goals in this period than at any other time.

http://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

Nice. Thanks. Suppose that the correlation between chances conceded and goals conceded would be quite close. You can see that we're struggling in the final 15 minutes of the game. The eye test will show you that the midfield and front 3 always drop off - whether by design or due to fatigue (likely the latter). Depth in midfield and forwards is more likely to improve on our conceding late goals than defenders/a new GK. Granted we only have 3 subs for 6 positions, but a healthy rotation with little to no drop in quality will take this team to the next level.

The home stats here are staggering.

36 scored - 4 conceded before the last 15 minutes

In the last 15?  9-6.

Meanwhile United are 10-0. Trademark Mourinho closing out games.

I suppose the games against West Brom and Stoke come to mind although it was the tail end of the season when our players were almost running on empty.
I doubt it'll happen but we need a plan B.

Plan B is doing what we did against Man City first leg UCL 2nd half. Kept them to 0 shots on target all game. Some people think City had an off day - I think we did well enough to make it look that way. 9/10 games they play they're up against a low block and 9/10 times they demolish it. That's what's required on a week to week basis. If it can be done against the best attack in the land, then we have the players to do it now. The template is there and what we have is a strong foundation. But to keep it going once a week, sometimes twice a week, is tough. Only our midfield and CB from our first 11 need upgrading. The rest is squad depth.

Meanwhile you look at Arsenal, United, Chelsea - the feeling around those clubs is that half, if not more, of the first 11 need replacing. We're in a good position.

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[Bobinhood]

Klopps taken this team minus Lallana, Kieta, half a Couhtino and half a Van Dijk from his initial planning and qualified fourth and made the CL final. Its nothing short of spectacular. Closer? He took us right there. Just need to add the sufficient depth to keep it ticking over twice a week for a title tilt. Play a good top 7 mini-league and roll up the rest of em. If he scoops up 2-3 more off the same shelf in the off season its boogie time. 

[Gutzon Borglum]

We generally have fuck all on the bench, a few injuries stretch our squad further than United and City. Signing Keita, and replacements for Coutinho and Can (and maybe even an extra attacker) should rectify this next season.

Does anyone remember those reports back in january from the journo who broke the Coutinho to Barca news, who said that basically we have his replacement identified but won't be able to get the deal done till the summer, and that he was a name that hadn't been mentioned by the press as yet (who were mostly linking us with a move for Lemar at the time), seems like Fekir is the most likely candidate to have been that guy now. It seems unlikely that we would have finalized a deal for him before the end of the season, that rarely happens, however all signs suggest we will move for him, and that suggests that we have probably at the very least got encouragement from initial inquires with Fekir's management and Lyon themselves.

If Jorginho goes to City, we will surely move for someone else as the Can replacement. There is fuck all reliable info out there about who that could possibly be at this stage, so maybe a deal for Jorginho isn't completely out of the question as yet? There's been some pretty strong links for Weigl to Arsenal, if we miss out on Jorginho that surely seems like a good option to hijack that deal, I doubt Weigl would choose Arsenal over us at this stage, and in terms of money you'd think we'd have the edge over them as well.

I wonder if Dortmund could stomach selling us Weigl and Pulisic in the same window though? They seem to have accepted their status as a selling club at this point.

2 or 3 top players + Keita would take us up to the very elite level for me, then we could regularly have the kind of quality on the bench we see at the likes of City, Real and United, this season hasn't been that bad really for injuries if you compare to previous seasons and other teams, to be consistent enough to win the league we need more depth, particularly with our high energy style of football.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Would we expect Klopp to want a greater goalscoring contribution from midfield next season? Looking at the topline stats for our midfielders, it was a disappointing season for some in terms of individual return. Henderson had one goal and one assist in the league, Gini had one goal and two assists, Milner had no goals and three assists. The two that impressed were Can and Ox. Emre had 3 goals and 5 assists in the league (plus another three goals in the CL), while Ox had 3 goals and 7 assists (and two more goals in the CL).

With Emre likely gone and Ox perhaps not contributing until December/January, it will be interesting to see if midfield production is something Klopp prioritises in the market. I suppose Naby Keita ticks a massive box - six goals and five assists in the Bundesliga this season, eight and eight the previous year. Perhaps with the goalscoring prowess of our front three, we don't need goals from midfield, but I'd be interested to see if Klopp looks to add someone else in the middle of the park with a track record of scoring and assisting.

[lionel_messias]

The Canal+ journo who broke the Fekir news initially said not to expect anything before June 30th.  Also Ged has been to a few of our games recently.  He's tight with the Lyon owner. 

He works there doesn't he? Ged's not just tight, he's part of the team there!

[sms1986]

He works there doesn't he? Ged's not just tight, he's part of the team there!

He does, yeah, I think he’s their general manager.

[pathetic]

I liked the 4-2-3-1 against Brighton personally. Our problem against park the bus sides is usually that our front three are jam packed into their defence with no space to operate in. A striker to drop the balls to them would maybe force some of their defenders to go out of position or give us a chance from outside the box. Solanke can be a very good target man but he needs to improve on his physicality and be more imposing.

[stockdam]

If all fans are being honest we're the second best side in the league and deep down both of those would swap where they are for where we are in development.

We are not the 2nd best team in the league......we were the 4th best this year. You can't keep on turning a blind eye to the results over a season and say we deserved more........we got what we deserved. We may be the best or 2nd best attacking team and best to watch when we are on form but the results don't lie. We had big problems conceding poor goals and throwing away leads. This will be sorted but for now we are 4th best.

[zebenzui]

We are not the 2nd best team in the league......we were the 4th best this year. You can't keep on turning a blind eye to the results over a season and say we deserved more........we got what we deserved. We may be the best or 2nd best attacking team and best to watch when we are on form but the results don't lie. We had big problems conceding poor goals and throwing away leads. This will be sorted but for now we are 4th best.

Take away a few of the refereeing howlers we've had this season and we finish 2nd. We're as good as, or better than the rest of them bar City. We've just been hurt by our European run and outrageous officials.

[sms1986]

We are not the 2nd best team in the league......we were the 4th best this year. You can't keep on turning a blind eye to the results over a season and say we deserved more........we got what we deserved. We may be the best or 2nd best attacking team and best to watch when we are on form but the results don't lie. We had big problems conceding poor goals and throwing away leads. This will be sorted but for now we are 4th best.

We made Europe a priority in the last month or so which didn't help our league position much, to be fair. Overall we are better than fourth place.

[Lofty Ambitions]

Take away a few of the refereeing howlers we've had this season and we finish 2nd. We're as good as, or better than the rest of them bar City. We've just been hurt by our European run and outrageous officials.

Points tally is what it is, we are 4th and that's how good we were. Each and every team has their (often valid) excuses as why they're actually better than what the points tally tells.

Our excuses are most valid, though 
 

[clinical]

Points tally is what it is, we are 4th and that's how good we were. Each and every team has their (often valid) excuses as why they're actually better than what the points tally tells.

Our excuses are most valid, though 

That's the key bit though. If utd or spurs have had as many bad decisions we have had it would have all been in the papers etc.

The fact is people say luck evens out over a season. In the league that hasn't been the case for us.

If utd and spurs felt hard done by we would have heard about it. We seem to have bad decisions every game.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

The fact is people say luck evens out over a season.

Biggest lie in football

[clinical]

We are not the 2nd best team in the league......we were the 4th best this year. You can't keep on turning a blind eye to the results over a season and say we deserved more........we got what we deserved. We may be the best or 2nd best attacking team and best to watch when we are on form but the results don't lie. We had big problems conceding poor goals and throwing away leads. This will be sorted but for now we are 4th best.

Disagree. Goal difference is a good indicator as well. We are the second best. But for some absolutely shocking decisions and getting through to final we finish 2nd. But 2nd/4th doesn't make much difference.

It's funny really as one decision either against spurs, stoke, utd etc which was determined by the refs you'd agree we are the second best team..

[Dench57]

Take away a few of the refereeing howlers we've had this season and we finish 2nd. We're as good as, or better than the rest of them bar City. We've just been hurt by our European run and outrageous officials.

And if my auntie had bollocks...

We've been the 4th best team in the league this season, but the best PL team in Europe. Where that puts us overall I don't know, it doesn't really matter. I'm certain we would have finished above Spurs without CL commitments, but we didn't. We'll beef up the squad and next season hopefully deal with the strain of both competitions better.

[sms1986]

If United didn’t have de Gea, they would have finished beneath us.

[clinical]

If United didn’t have de Gea, they would have finished beneath us.

If spurs didn't dive they would have.

If we got a pen against stoke we finish above spurs. These ridiculous decision that have gone against us cost us and shouldn't mean we are only the 4th best team.

People say the league doesn't lie. It's a good indicator of course but never tells the whole story.

Also look at the odds we are the second favourites for next season..there's a reason for that lads.