Topic: Honest Opinions Please

[silver 5 star]

What gives them the right to moralise about a bit of flag burning. They don't go to the match, they don't understand our history, their precious national flag is clearly more important to them than our football club so frankly they should all disappear off a Liverpool football club fans website as they are not fans.


Well said old boy.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Much as I agree with you to an extent fellers I think you are missing the point.  This is a battle for hearts and minds and anything that strengthens the owners position and divides us is a bad thing.   And burning the yankee flag falls into that category.

[anon-y-mouse]

Much as I agree with you to an extent fellers I think you are missing the point.  This is a battle for hearts and minds and anything that strengthens the owners position and divides us is a bad thing.   And burning the yankee flag falls into that category.

We're not trying to win friends here though Kev. We trying to get rid of a pair of leeches. If you have a leech on your leg do you

a)Cosy up to it, give it a stroke and ask it nicely to get off
b) Do whatever it takes to get shot, including nasty violence towards said leech.

My point is that hearts and minds of people who don't matter are irrelevant. As long as decent and contructive arguments are put to the likes of RBS then the odd protest getting nasty (and flag buring is lets be honest the low end of nasty) sits fine with me.

[Chakan]

We're not trying to win friends here though Kev. We trying to get rid of a pair of leeches. If you have a leech on your leg do you

a)Cosy up to it, give it a stroke and ask it nicely to get off
b) Do whatever it takes to get shot, including nasty violence towards said leech.

My point is that hearts and minds of people who don't matter are irrelevant. As long as decent and contructive arguments are put to the likes of RBS then the odd protest getting nasty (and flag buring is lets be honest the low end of nasty) sits fine with me.

How about

c) getting a friend to help you get the leech off your leg?

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

We're not trying to win friends here though Kev. We trying to get rid of a pair of leeches. If you have a leech on your leg do you

a)Cosy up to it, give it a stroke and ask it nicely to get off
b) Do whatever it takes to get shot, including nasty violence towards said leech.

That's the point though isn't it. With the above analogy you're lumping all americans in the same as Hicks and Gillett. I mean would you shout insults at the swamp the leech came from? No, cos it wouldn't do any good.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

How about

c) getting a friend to help you get the leech off your leg?

or this

though you'd still probably make use of a naked flame

[silver 5 star]

How about

c) getting a friend to help you get the leech off your leg?

How exactly?

Only 17M people watched the national side play England in the World Cup. Exactly how many people are supposed "Liverpool supporters" and how many will actually do anything?

Tell you what, a group of you get together and go to the British embassy.

You have my permission to burn as many Union Jack's as you like.

If anyone asks why you are doing it, you could say that it's a metaphor for the destruction of that great British sporting institution by two yank carpetbaggers, Liverpool FC.

Nobody will ask you though. In self-absorbed America I doubt it would registerbeyond people thinking you were protesting against BP.

[Chakan]

How exactly?

Only 17M people watched the national side play England in the World Cup. Exactly how many people are supposed "Liverpool supporters" and how many will actually do anything?

Tell you what, a group of you get together and go to the British embassy.

You have my permission to burn as many Union Jack's as you like.

If anyone asks why you are doing it, you could say that it's a metaphor for the destruction of that great British sporting institution by two yank carpetbaggers, Liverpool FC.

Nobody will ask you though. In self-absorbed America I doubt it would registerbeyond people thinking you were protesting against BP.

you do know there are liverpool supporters groups here in the US right? They are fighting right along with you guys  over there.

Ok tell me what positives the flag burning will do?

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Chakan has it, there are organised groups of lads in the US taking the fight right onto Tom Hicks' back porch.  They are working hard to do all they can to get rid of that leech.  Perhaps even working harder than some over here.  So why make their task any more difficult than it already is?

You have a leech on your leg, someone, with a lighter has offered to get it off.  You've decide to tell him to fuck off this ain't your fight. Despite the fact that he is in a much better position than you are to get at the leech.  Is that wise?  Have I run with that fucking leech metaphor enough?

[silver 5 star]

Like I said. In a country that barely knows the outside world exists beyond sending troops to some bits of it, a country that barely registers "soccer" - please explain what a few people posting on an Internet  site will do to ride to our rescue? Hopefully quicker than in WW2. Can't afford to wait a few years while the good ole USA decides to move it's arse.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

Have I run with that fucking leech metaphor enough?

sucked it dry

[Chakan]

Like I said. In a country that barely knows the outside world exists beyond sending troops to some bits of it, a country that barely registers "soccer" - please explain what a few people posting on an Internet  site will do to ride to our rescue? Hopefully quicker than in WW2. Can't afford to wait a few years while the good ole USA decides to move it's arse.

complete sweeping generalization of USA.
But that's your opinion and your are welcome to it.

[Mutton Geoff]

Wouldn't be sidetracked if it hadn't been burnt, would we? I personally wasn't offended but do understand how others could be. Shouldn't have been done but it was, so lets move on.

i could be about stamping on the union jack but doesnt stop the leak does it, i could be about all the americans coming over and shagging our great grannies in the war but i am not, this was a storm in a tea cup no more no less, if anyone is that offended given all the serious shite in the world , well quite frankly they need to get out more often.

has the leech died yet is it an extinct leech, or is it pining for the fjords?

[silver 5 star]

complete sweeping generalization of USA.
But that's your opinion and your are welcome to it.

Thank You. I fully understand that the rest of the world is only ever entitled to the opinions the Americans allow us to have.

[Mutton Geoff]

"Liverpool Fans burn US Flag"


Shirt sales go through the roof in Iran!

i know he is a weird fish but this still makes me grin a few days later!

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Like I said. In a country that barely knows the outside world exists beyond sending troops to some bits of it, a country that barely registers "soccer" - please explain what a few people posting on an Internet  site will do to ride to our rescue? Hopefully quicker than in WW2. Can't afford to wait a few years while the good ole USA decides to move it's arse.

Stop being a tit and try listening.  They are taking the protests directly into the owners back door.  They using all methods at their disposal, they are certainly not simply posting on a forum.  They are also using the US media to get at Hicks.  This gets more difficult for them when Hicks' PR men can show images of old glory on fire. 

Just out of interest what are you doing that is going to get them out?  Apart from burning flags of course.

You said before that they don't understand us.  It's true but equally we don't understand them.  I actually agree with you that if Americans were a little less jingoistic and precious about their flag then the world would be a better place.  However, attempting to transform the American psyche is, thankfully, not our task here. Our task is to apply as much pressure as possible to the owners and burning the flag is not hindering rather than helping in that aim. 

[Chakan]

Thank You. I fully understand that the rest of the world is only ever entitled to the opinions the Americans allow us to have.

oh get off it already.

[Mutton Geoff]

joking aside our problems are with two chiselling , crooked arseholes without an ounce of morality who happen to be americans not with even texas let alone the good ol US of A, but you can understand thinking that the flag is a significant target, they are wrong but you cannot hang them for their ignorance can you!

Some rednecks might though?

[electricghost]

They are taking the protests directly into the owners back door. 

What a vision that has just thrown up.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

What a vision that has just thrown up.

Dirty protest?

[silver 5 star]

VDM. Not a tit thanks and don't call me one. You couldn't do it to my face so leave the Internet warrior stuff out.

As for what I am doing to get these c*nts out.

That is for me to know. Bit more than posting on a fucking website on a Saturday night!

Anyway....WELL IN GHANA !!

Off for a celebration pint or eight.

Bye....

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

VDM. Not a tit thanks and don't call me one. You couldn't do it to my face so leave the Internet warrior stuff out.

As for what I am doing to get these c*nts out.

That is for me to know. Bit more than posting on a fucking website on a Saturday night!

Anyway....WELL IN GHANA !!

Off for a celebration pint or eight.

Bye....

Never said you were one, just that you were being one, bringing WW2 up like that is any way relevant.  Enjoy your pint, don't chinned by a Ghana fan with an axe to grind about Gold Coast colonialism.