Topic: Fat Sham: Fried brown bread and egg on face

[newterp]

Tony Evans likes Fat Sam - so you know it's going to be a terrible appointment.

[Funky_Gibbons]

notBigSam ‏@TheBig_Sam  18m18 minutes ago
Christ, David Gill's shitter can take a pounding. I laid an egg like a chocolate caterpillar cake & it sucked it down in one go. Fair play.

[Phil M]

[Ziltoid]

So the back room staff will be Stephen Hawking, Simon Weston and Carlton Cole

[Rich]

No offence but that's the problem with English football summed up there for me, the ambiguous acceptance of future mediocrity.

No offence taken but the reality of the English national team is that not many world class managers want to be involved.  Mediocrity is also a great description of most of the players!!

[Hazell]

Not a particular dig at you mate, but this idea seems to be gaining traction.
Hodgson got through qualifying by winning every single game. We have never done that. Where he fell down completely was in a tournament.

There is no reason to believe Allardyce would even do as well as the owl did in qualifying. His win percentage as a manager is shit. And there is no evidence that he would do better in a tounament.

This is Graham Taylor all over again and I do not like that!

But the thing is, who cares about qualifying as long as you do it? Portugal, Wales and Germany all lost and drew games during qualifying but they all got to the semi's this year and Portugal won the bloody thing. England famously beat Germany in the 2001 World Cup qualifiers and only one of those teams still made the final in the actual competition. How England are playing in September/October 2016 has little bearing on how they'll play in June/July 2018 You're right about Hodgson falling down completely in the tournament but that was partly due to him not know what he was doing because he seemed to pick players because he was under pressure to. As a result, England rarely looked a team.

I'm not Allardyce apologist and don't think he's a wise appointment but I doubt he'll be so swayed and will at least pick a team he'll believe is right. Or at least, he'll be more resistant to the pressure. You're right in that there's no evidence that Allardyce would do better than Hodgson (though as mentioned, it'd be Steve bloody Bruce difficult to do much worse) but then I personally think someone like Eddie Howe would be a better appointment than Fat Sam or. And there's even less evidence that he would do as well given his lack of experience. He doesn't have 37 years but he does at least have a (short) history of playing good football.

To be honest, England's issues run much deeper than just who the manager is but given a choice, someone like Howe would be a bolder move than Jabba the Hut.

[Zee_26]

A big failing with Hodgson, besides being a terrible manager  , is that he didn't know what kind of England team he wanted. He never laid a foundation, developed a style or even stayed consistent with his tactics. How many players have been given England caps under his charge? How many times has he listened to the media and adjusted his selections and tactics accordingly? In 2014, he decides to start all of the Liverpool players hoping to recreate their form of that year. In 2016, he selects all of the Spurs players hoping to recreate their form of the past season. While it's understandable that he selects in-form players, he cannot expect to just place them in the starting eleven and try to recreate their club form. Hodgson was never his own man. He bottled every big decision he had to make in his time as manager.

England would be better served with someone who has an idea, from the start, of where the England team should be in 2018 or 2020 and sticks by his decisions to get the team there.
 

[Mactavish]

England manager: Sam Allardyce a good choice, says David Gold

Sam Allardyce "would make a very good England manager", according to his former boss at West Ham, David Gold.

The Sunderland manager is favourite to succeed Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England's Euro 2016 exit.

It was reported this week that Allardyce, 61, would be interviewed for the role, but he is yet to be contacted by the Football Association.

"I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him," Hammers co-chairman Gold told BBC Radio 5 live.

"He is determined, he is ambitious. He's been in the business a long time.

"I think the most important thing from my point of view is that he's English."

Allardyce the 'master' of winning

Allardyce took charge at Sunderland in October and steered the club to Premier League safety.

The Black Cats finished 17th, one place and two points above the relegation zone, after losing only one of their final 11 league matches of the 2015-16 season.

Former Chelsea and England striker Chris Sutton said: "I think Allardyce has clout. He's proved himself. He gets the job done.

"If Euro 2016 has taught us anything, it's about learning how to win football matches and Sam Allardyce is the master.

"How he kept Sunderland up this season, I don't know, but it was an incredible achievement.

"He studies opposition's weaknesses, he knows his team's strengths and he plays to them. It's all about winning."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36766990


"It's all about winning"   

Christ!

It really is as if they've all sat in a room and said: "So, how can we fuck this whole thing up even more?"

He's a proven loser.

[perspectiveplease]

A big failing with Hodgson, besides being a terrible manager  , is that he didn't know what kind of England team he wanted. He never laid a foundation, developed a style or even stayed consistent with his tactics. How many players have been given England caps under his charge? How many times has he listened to the media and adjusted his selections and tactics accordingly? In 2014, he decides to start all of the Liverpool players hoping to recreate their form of that year. In 2016, he selects all of the Spurs players hoping to recreate their form of the past season. While it's understandable that he selects in-form players, he cannot expect to just place them in the starting eleven and try to recreate their club form. Hodgson was never his own man. He bottled every big decision he had to make in his time as manager.

England would be better served with someone who has an idea, from the start, of where the England team should be in 2018 or 2020 and sticks by his decisions to get the team there.
 

A lot of your criticisms are true, particularly the lack of style or consistency with tactics. But I'm not sure you can level the accusation that he didn't give players caps or chances.

Much of the squad that featured at the Euros and players who look like they will have a bright England future were given debuts by him. The likes of :Alli, Dier, Clyne, Kane, Lallana, Rose, Sterling, Vardy. Beyond that you have the likes of Shaw, Barkley, Stones, Butland, Chambers, Ings, Forster, Mason and Oxlade who were also given their debuts by Hodge.

Again, many of those players were selected to recreate their club form as you said. But I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to lay foundations.

[Oberyn_Martell]

Hes so cocky i dont like it

[Zee_26]

A lot of your criticisms are true, particularly the lack of style or consistency with tactics. But I'm not sure you can level the accusation that he didn't give players caps or chances.

Much of the squad that featured at the Euros and players who look like they will have a bright England future were given debuts by him. The likes of :Alli, Dier, Clyne, Kane, Lallana, Rose, Sterling, Vardy. Beyond that you have the likes of Shaw, Barkley, Stones, Butland, Chambers, Ings, Forster, Mason and Oxlade who were also given their debuts by Hodge.

Again, many of those players were selected to recreate their club form as you said. But I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to lay foundations.

I agree that he has brought the age of the team down and the younger players currently in the setup should at least grow and develop into a more solid unit. And Hodgson does deserve credit for that at least. But I think you might have misinterpreted with regards to the number of players he's selected. I'm referring more to that period where he was giving caps away to players like Osman and Colback among others. The point I tried to make, albeit not very well, was that there wasn't much planning or strategy around those kind of selections. You could argue both ways that this was a way of rewarding players for their good form with a national selection, or the counter-point that he devalued the England cap by dishing them out to so many players.

[Red Beret]

Whilst it's fair to say Hodgson gave debuts to many rising stars it could easily be said that he often responded to the media's flavour of the month. 

I reckon Fat Sam is a better manager than Roy.  His teams may play shit on a stick football but I can't see England being any worse than what they already are.

[Phil M]

Started this thread as basically a pisstake and am staggered by how many posters seem unsurprised if not even not put out by the prospect of Sam Allardyce managing the English national team.

[killer-heels]

The FA have just taken the approach that seeing as the country is going to go to shit, who gives a fuck about the national team. Just get any sod and fuck this all off.

[Crosby Nick]

Started this thread as basically a pisstake and am staggered by how many posters seem unsurprised if not even not put out by the prospect of Sam Allardyce managing the English national team.

More of a 'meh' feeling really. For all his faults I reckon he'll be better than Hodgson. That said, I heard a valid point yesterday that if any of the players in the England squad heard that Fat Sam was to ne their new club manager I doubt many would be thrilled.

As ever there are bigger problems with the England set up than who's in charge.  And ultimately,  I don't think there are many big name, quick fix foreign managers available at the moment.

I've no doubt that there are many better choices out there but at the moment it's hard to care too much either way.

[BossThaLa82]

I already despise England but it's going to go up another level with that catfish lookalike in charge 

The FA just never learn they go from a dinosaur hodgson to a relegation specialist allardyce with virtually no European experience 

[Skeeve]

A lot of your criticisms are true, particularly the lack of style or consistency with tactics. But I'm not sure you can level the accusation that he didn't give players caps or chances.

Much of the squad that featured at the Euros and players who look like they will have a bright England future were given debuts by him. The likes of :Alli, Dier, Clyne, Kane, Lallana, Rose, Sterling, Vardy. Beyond that you have the likes of Shaw, Barkley, Stones, Butland, Chambers, Ings, Forster, Mason and Oxlade who were also given their debuts by Hodge.

Again, many of those players were selected to recreate their club form as you said. But I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to lay foundations.

The issue with laying foundations is it probably helps to have completed the design for the building before doing that, the major issue with Hodgson is that he treated the qualifiers as a goal in their own right when they should be used to establish the style and formation of the side and by the end of qualifying to have locked in a large part of your squad too.

[OperationIvy]

I already despise England but it's going to go up another level with that catfish lookalike in charge 

The FA just never learn they go from a dinosaur hodgson to a relegation specialist allardyce with virtually no European experience 

So he has experience getting crap teams to improve....Isn't that just what we need?

[Phil M]

More of a 'meh' feeling really. For all his faults I reckon he'll be better than Hodgson. That said, I heard a valid point yesterday that if any of the players in the England squad heard that Fat Sam was to ne their new club manager I doubt many would be thrilled.

As ever there are bigger problems with the England set up than who's in charge.  And ultimately,  I don't think there are many big name, quick fix foreign managers available at the moment.

I've no doubt that there are many better choices out there but at the moment it's hard to care too much either way.

Good point, I suppose Big Sam can help save England from relegation. 

[mr dudek]

Much of the squad that featured at the Euros and players who look like they will have a bright England future were given debuts by him. The likes of :Alli, Dier, Clyne, Kane, Lallana, Rose, Sterling, Vardy. Beyond that you have the likes of Shaw, Barkley, Stones, Butland, Chambers, Ings, Forster, Mason and Oxlade who were also given their debuts by Hodge.

Again, many of those players were selected to recreate their club form as you said. But I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to lay foundations.

I think the media & press gave debuts to those players instead of Hodgson. 
He dropped Drinkwater but kept Barkley in the team because he feared the press, also someone like Townsend would have been more useful than an out of from Sterling.

[4pool]

Maybe Jose "Special Once" can manage United and England.

because by the time the next World Cup comes around Jose will be out of a job anyway and he can devote full time to England..

[Zee_26]

One good thing about Big Sam taking the England job is that this might finally be the year Sunderland get relegated  .

Unless they can arrange with the FA for Big Sam to manage their last 6 league games....

[bigbonedrawky]

English players currently searching ancestry.com...

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

England will win the majority if not all of their qualifying games.

They will then get knocked out by the first decent team they play.

Rinse and repeat.

If you want to be successful, you hire winners. People used to coaching the very best. Not managers who have spent their entire career in a relegation battle.

[Zlen]

English players currently searching ancestry.com...

[jamie_c]

England could get Klinsmann who has managed a couple of pretty decent international teams and over delivered in big tournaments.

He's a guy that speak perfect English and is someone the players would look up to.

But they are going to go for fat Sam, a man that everyone in the England squad would probably try and avoid playing for at club level.

The England manager has to try and get some pretty decent club players who are used to playing high energy attacking football ( especially Liverpool and Spurs ) and try and get them to recreate that in a tournament.

It's so obvious that he is the wrong choice.  If they insist on going English get Eddie Howe and try something a bit more progressive.  Unless Allardice is going to pick a totally different squad he will fail.

[Skeeve]

England could get Klinsmann who has managed a couple of pretty decent international teams and over delivered in big tournaments.

Most fans of the us national side would chip in to ship him over, they mostly think he has done a poor job.

[4pool]

Most fans of the us national side would chip in to ship him over, they mostly think he has done a poor job.

USA supporters , like their compatriots in the UK, think the national team manager should have them doing better than they do.

Klinsmann started getting the most stick when the USA got dumped out of the Gold Cup.

Unfortunately Klinnsman told a few home truths that players who play in the MLS don't play against better caliber of opposition and don't learn. He would rather more players who have some talent go to Europe or South America. Went over real well at the MLS headquarters and with the US media.  But, imho, he's 100% right.

So now the US media love to stick the knife in at any turn.

All those who follow the USA need to do is look at Michael Bradley to see how his performance levels have dropped since he came back to the MLS. Jose Altidore, enough said. Etc..

[Wabaloolah]

Fat Sam? Have they learnt nothing?

Please do it......

[Motty]

It's like Mike Bassett becoming England manager has come true....amazing.

[_00_deathscar]

Not a particular dig at you mate, but this idea seems to be gaining traction.
Hodgson got through qualifying by winning every single game. We have never done that. Where he fell down completely was in a tournament.

There is no reason to believe Allardyce would even do as well as the owl did in qualifying. His win percentage as a manager is shit. And there is no evidence that he would do better in a tounament.

This is Graham Taylor all over again and I do not like that!

Hodgson's win percentage at club level was shit too.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

I find that some people think Allardyce is a worthy manager of the national team simply because he's better than Hodgson. That's probably one of the worst reasons one can even contemplate picking a manager with.

And yes, that bs'er Tony Evans said so, it can't be good.

[Walshy nMeŽ]

It doesn't matter who the manager is, whilst the FA continue as they are.

[Ziltoid]

I mean, he can't even clap!

[BossThaLa82]

So he has experience getting crap teams to improve....Isn't that just what we need?

It's like the Spanish F.A appointing the relegation specialist of la liga to improve them but they are not as stupid/thick as the English F.A to go down that route.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

feel bad for you lot. Hodgson now Allerdyce, it's like football hell.

[Jshooters]

feel bad for you lot. Hodgson now Allerdyce, it's like football hell.

Very true mate. It's a good job that a lot of us don't give much of a shite about the national team

[Barneylfc∗]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36781992

I got

My ideal England manager is...
Ron Manager

The famous Paul Whitehouse character - jumpers for goalposts... You want someone to make a bad situation even worse. Someone who knows little about modern football and cares even less. You want Ron. Never heard of him - head to a popular search engine.

  I did answer all questions openly and honestly

[Red Beret]

This is clearly the reason why FSG were so keen to tie Klopp to a new contract.

[mr dudek]

Steve Bruce holds England manager talks with FA 

Hull boss Steve Bruce was interviewed by the Football Association about the vacant England manager job on Monday.

Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce has also been interviewed and is favourite to succeed Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England lost to Iceland at Euro 2016.

Bruce, 55, led Hull back into the Premier League last season after relegation to the Championship in 2015.

Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe and USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann have also been linked with the role.

FA chief executive Martin Glenn is fronting a three-man panel, which also includes FA technical director Dan Ashworth and board member David Gill, to decide the next England manager.

Former Manchester United captain and defender Bruce, who was never capped by England, said in June that he would be staying at Hull.

However, amid talk of a takeover at KC Stadium, he accepted he could be replaced when asked if he was certain of his position.

Prior to talks with the FA, Bruce recently said it was "highly flattering" to be linked with a role he hopes goes to an Englishman.

"I think the top of the FA in my opinion should be English. I've always said that, there's nobody more patriotic than I am," he told BBC Radio Humberside.

"I'm honoured to be linked with it. It's the pinnacle to go and manage your country. What bigger job in the world is there?"

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36832548