Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[oldfordie]

I don’t think it’s a new idea, a friend of a friend who came from India and overstayed his visa did something similar when immigration were on his case about 5 years ago, not sure how he did it but he got himself to the Republic of Ireland, stayed there a few years, got his immigration status sorted and then came back to the UK.

On the whole Republic of Ireland will treat them better, they have had a few nasty incidents regarding immigrants (the whole ‘Ireland is full’ campaign) and the mood seems to be turning similar to the same as over here by a vocal group, and as for Ireland isn’t trying to send them somewhere else… they are trying to send them back to the UK!

Yeah, it's a great idea. it's a wonder it's not been more well known until now!!!!
The way I see it right now is the Torys haven't solved the boat problem , they may have made it worse in the long run. just make sure you get to England and you will have no problems travelling to NI then across to the south and your home and dry. the problem is theres no boats landing in Ireland, nobody is landing on the beach and just running away from security. they have to go through a border off a ship and they will be stopped when NI tightens up security. all those people coming in boats into the UK won't stop. I still don't believe Rwanda will work because we wont be sending thousands away, it's just a option they have now that IMO will close quickly.

[west_london_red]

Yeah, it's a great idea. it's a wonder it's not been more well known until now!!!!
The way I see it right now is the Torys haven't solved the boat problem , they may have made it worse in the long run. just make sure you get to England and you will have no problems travelling to NI then across to the south and your home and dry. the problem is theres no boats landing in Ireland, nobody is landing on the beach and just running away from security. they have to go through a border off a ship and they will be stopped when NI tightens up security. all those people coming in boats into the UK won't stop. I still don't believe Rwanda will work because we wont be sending thousands away, it's just a option they have now that IMO will close quickly.

I don’t think Rwanda will work either, 1% at most will find themselves on plane headed there.

The point more than anything for me is the irony of it all. France allows asylum seekers to pass relatively freely if they are on their way the UK, and now we could have the UK doing the same if the asylum seeker is on their way to Ireland.

[oldfordie]

I don’t think Rwanda will work either, 1% at most will find themselves on plane headed there.

The point more than anything for me is the irony of it all. France allows asylum seekers to pass relatively freely if they are on their way the UK, and now we could have the UK doing the same if the asylum seeker is on their way to Ireland.

Thing is we don't know if they will travel to Ireland, they are free to go where they want and many will just disappear somewhere in mainland UK.
Imagine the Torys will face a lot of questions on this. 

[PaulF]

I think it's still true that over 60% will be granted asylum. Leaving about 25k to deal with. Plus the undetected ones.
Given that most* of these will be willing and able to join r workforce and contribute to general taxes, the time and money spent stopping the small boats seems mad. Why dont we just supply the boats and save they money on the patrols ( or just reopen the former routes).?
Incidentally, I've not heard of anyone coming in on lorries any more. Have they stopped that now.
* most is a guess. Though I bet it's well above 90%

[TepidT2O]

All this stuff about moving form NI to the republic is from one anecdote by an Irish minister.  The tories have lept on it to try and whip up a furore.

There’s most likely nothing behind it at all apart form migrants moving freely across an open border.

[TSC]

Do you need to show ID to go from England to NI? It’s part of the UK so I assume you can just buy a ticket and jump on a ferry and go without ID just as you go from England to Scotland or Wales to England without any ID?

You do when boarding a flight or ferry.  Ie some random can’t just pitch up and jump on either.  For example customs police ask for ID from foot passengers at the Liverpool ferry port in Birkenhead when folk get off the ferry from Belfast.  And I’d guess there may be more customs controls these days post Brexit, given NI has a foot in both EU and UK jurisdictions.   But who knows.  Maybe security is fairly lax these days.

[west_london_red]

You do when boarding a flight or ferry.  Ie some random can’t just pitch up and jump on either.  For example customs police ask for ID from foot passengers at the Liverpool ferry port in Birkenhead when folk get off the ferry from Belfast.  And I’d guess there may be more customs controls these days post Brexit, given NI has a foot in both EU and UK jurisdictions.   But who knows.  Maybe security is fairly lax these days.

I had no idea, I really did think you could just jump on a boat and go with no questions asked same as you would from any other home nation to the other.

[TSC]

Oops.  Maybe they’ve all gone to NI

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/30/home-office-lost-contact-thousands-potential-rwanda-deportees-data-shows

[TSC]

Tories paying asylum seekers to go to Rwanda on a voluntary basis.  It appears one person has taken up the offer.

https://news.sky.com/story/first-failed-asylum-seeker-sent-from-uk-to-rwanda-on-voluntary-scheme-13126518

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I had no idea, I really did think you could just jump on a boat and go with no questions asked same as you would from any other home nation to the other.

Don’t know if there are any ferry services between other countries given its same (relatively small) land mass, although of course folk can jump on trains/buses without ID required.

[Crosby Nick]

Do you need to show ID to go from England to NI? It’s part of the UK so I assume you can just buy a ticket and jump on a ferry and go without ID just as you go from England to Scotland or Wales to England without any ID?

We get a ferry from Cairnryan in Scotland to Larne every year. Have to book and give our car reg details but don’t think we have to name all the passengers in the car and they don’t ask for ID when you check in.

[Red Beret]

da fuq?

Tory hopeful for London mayor joins anti-Ulez Facebook group rife with Islamophobia

Susan Hall became member a day after an exposé about its contents – much of which is directed at Sadiq Khan

Susan Hall, the Tory candidate for London mayor, has joined a Facebook group which contains Islamophobic hate speech and abusive comments about her opponent Sadiq Khan, the day after an exposé about its contents.

Khan told the Guardian these revelations “could have a direct impact on not just my safety but the safety of my family and staff”.

A joint investigation by the Observer and Unearthed at the weekend profiled a network of Facebook groups focused on ultra-low emission zones that are operated by Conservative party staff and activists and which contained Islamophobic hate speech, conspiracy theories and abuse. Some of the groups included celebrations of vandalism and comments expressing disbelief that Khan had not been “taken out”.

Hall was already a member of six of the groups. On Monday, the day after the revelation, her official Facebook page joined a seventh group called “Bexley say no to Ulez expansion”.

The investigation identified 36 groups that appear to be separate grassroots movements opposing the expansion of ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) schemes to reduce air pollution. They do not say they were set up by the Conservatives as part of a coordinated political campaign, but it has been found they were set up by Conservative staff and activists.

There is no suggestion the racist posts or those encouraging vandalism were made, or engaged with, by Conservative politicians or staff.

Khan told the Guardian: “This latest revelation is absolutely jaw dropping. This could have a direct impact on not just my safety but the safety of my family and staff. No one should be inciting violence … There is no doubt in my mind that if she [Hall] won, this Tory would be the most dangerous and divisive mayor London has ever had.

Ami McCarthy, a political campaigner at Greenpeace UK, said: “Any respectable politician would have issued an apology and left these Facebook groups as soon as the racism, Islamophobia and posts inciting criminal damage were exposed. But not Susan Hall – she’s just brazenly doubled down and joined another hotbed of hateful and derogatory posts.

“Bolstering her support for the anti-Ulez brigade appears a last-ditch attempt by the Conservative mayoral candidate to boost her ratings. But the majority of Londoners want a mayor that will strive to tackle the climate crisis, reduce harmful air pollution in the capital and doesn’t associate with people who traffic in racism and conspiracy theories. So her strategy may well be doomed.”

Hall and the London Conservatives have been contacted for comment.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/may/01/tory-hopeful-for-london-mayor-joins-anti-ulez-facebook-group-rife-with-islamophobia

[gazzalfc]

Oh she's batshit and has previous

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/cdujy2PfWHg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/cdujy2PfWHg</a>

[Lusty]

da fuq?

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/may/01/tory-hopeful-for-london-mayor-joins-anti-ulez-facebook-group-rife-with-islamophobia

Not even in the top 10 of the maddest things she's said or done.

[thaddeus]

Send up a nutcase, lose, give said nutcase a peerage.

Baron Goldsmith of Richmond Park
Baron Bailey of Paddington

Susan Hall will be a Baroness in a year or two but she won't be London mayor!

[gazzalfc]

I mean if you're voting tomorrow in London then there really is only one candidate

COUNT BINFACE

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/OFR8VERHdIQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/OFR8VERHdIQ</a>

He has some really profound policies

He wants to cap the price of croissants to £1.10

He wants to rename London Bridge to The Phoebe Waller Bridge

And so many more

https://www.countbinface.com/2024-manifesto

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I mean if you're voting tomorrow in London then there really is only one candidate

COUNT BINFACE

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/OFR8VERHdIQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/OFR8VERHdIQ</a>

He has some really profound policies

He wants to cap the price of croissants to £1.10

He wants to rename London Bridge to The Phoebe Waller Bridge

And so many more

https://www.countbinface.com/2024-manifesto

Wanting to bring back Ceefax does it for me

[Red Beret]

Where's Lord Buckethead when we need him?

[Kenny's Jacket]

The Night Mayor to be based on Elm Street 

[Wullie160975]

Some of those are actually worth voting for.

[Elmo!]

I'm not sure I disagree with any to be honest.

[TheShanklyGates]

Where's Lord Buckethead when we need him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Binface?&useskin=vector

They're actually the same guy (sort of)

[Red Beret]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Binface?&useskin=vector

They're actually the same guy (sort of)

I had a feeling it would be the same guy. Can't keep a good politician down.

[PaulF]

I'm not sure I disagree with any to be honest.

I'm not sure any of his policies make less sense than the Rwanda one.

[Dr. Beaker]

He'd last longer than Truss.

[TepidT2O]

Incredible. The one threat to a huge labour majorly is that they can’t get their cite out.

Sunak! Hold my beer


Literally no political instincts at all ..remarkable.

[killer-heels]

That Sky News projection was pointless at the best of times and was silly to go back on.

[Red Beret]

Incredible. The one threat to a huge labour majorly is that they can’t get their cite out.

Sunak! Hold my beer


Literally no political instincts at all ..remarkable.

Absolutely no self awareness. The doofus just brought Cameron back as well. Plus he's just essentially admitted the Tories aren't winning the election and Labour will, at the very least, be the largest party.

The bubbles these morons live in never fail to astound me. I'm reminded of how genuinely shell shocked Nick Clegg was when the Lib Dems were decimated in 2015. Him and his strategists seemed to be the only people who didn't see it coming. They had completely forgot that they had been propped up by tactical voting by Labour supporters for years; Labour supporters who had found themselves saddled with a Tory government thanks to Clegg.

I don't know if Sunak genuinely believes this or if he's just saying it to try and control the narrative. But I think he's going to look similarly shocked on election night.

[LuverlyRita]

The bubbles these morons live in never fail to astound me.

Sunak lives in a double bubble - a political one and a financial one. I think he genuinely has no idea how the ordinary man in the street lives and he's away with the fairies politically.

[9 kemlyn road]

Sunak lives in a double bubble - a political one and a financial one. I think he genuinely has no idea how the ordinary man in the street lives and he's away with the fairies politically.

A multi millionaire with a billionaire wife who has upper class friends ,middle class friends and working..er ..ah ..well ..obviously not working class ones .
Yes ,I think it’s fair to say he’s not exactly in touch with the average man on the street .
But once he’s out I think he’ll manage alright .they say California is quite a nice place to live .it’s not exactly the dole queue he’ll be joining.

[Libertine]

I don't know if Sunak genuinely believes this or if he's just saying it to try and control the narrative. But I think he's going to look similarly shocked on election night.

Just complete desperation. Saying anything to keep his own MPs from stabbing him in the back (although even they seem resigned to their fate now) or just to create a narrative for his client journalists to spout and make it seem like he isn't a complete dead man walking.

[rob1966]

Incredible. The one threat to a huge labour majorly is that they can’t get their cite out.

Sunak! Hold my beer


Literally no political instincts at all ..remarkable.

I'd love to see one side of it hung

[jillcwhomever]

Yet another embarrassing story from a Tory rag, they are certainly coming out with them at the moment. 

[oldfordie]

Incredible. The one threat to a huge labour majorly is that they can’t get their cite out.

Sunak! Hold my beer


Literally no political instincts at all ..remarkable.

That's a bit extreme isn't it, Hanging them!! no need for that, will be happy enough if we put all the bent ones in prison and vote the rest out in the election.

[jillcwhomever]

That's a bit extreme isn't it, Hanging them!! no need for that, will be happy enough if we put all the bent ones in prison and vote the rest out in the election.

It's incredible how this story is being peddled by pro-Tory propogandists this morning. Even Rigby on Sky TV is peddling this Tory crap this morning on twitter, despite John Curtis shattering the theory into little pieces. But its the start by the media of misrepresenting people, they will be full of it as the Election gets underway.

[west_london_red]

It's incredible how this story is being peddled by pro-Tory propogandists this morning. Even Rigby on Sky TV is peddling this Tory crap this morning on twitter, despite John Curtis shattering the theory into little pieces. But its the start by the media of misrepresenting people, they will be full of it as the Election gets underway.

I don’t think it will have much effect on anything. No matter how much they try and tell shill for the Tories it doesn’t change the fundamentals, people have less money in their pocket and it takes weeks to get a doctors appointment, everything else is secondary and all the lies of the Tories and their client journalists can’t change that, it just can’t.

[oldfordie]

It's incredible how this story is being peddled by pro-Tory propogandists this morning. Even Rigby on Sky TV is peddling this Tory crap this morning on twitter, despite John Curtis shattering the theory into little pieces. But its the start by the media of misrepresenting people, they will be full of it as the Election gets underway.

They know many Torys have given up and fear them stopping at home election night. that works both ways, i think the bigger fear is Labour voters thinking Labour are a shoe in not bothering to vote.
I suppose you can't blame Sunak for saying this and as long as the media report it as Sunaks words then it's them just doing their job, backing them up arguing Sunak is right is a different matter, the bookies are offering 10/1 for a hung parliament for a reason.

[Red Beret]

It's all they have left. As I said before, they have no policies and no record to campaign on. All they have are scare stories about Labour either having too much power (majority over 150) or not enough power (hung parliament). They're struggling to motivate their own voters and at the same time depress the Labour vote.

We have another six months of this bs and all.

[TSC]

Incredible. The one threat to a huge labour majorly is that they can’t get their cite out.

Sunak! Hold my beer


Literally no political instincts at all ..remarkable.

Top trolling by the times to have the juxtaposition of the image of Yosser (gizza job) Hughes (RIP Bernard Hill) on same front page.

[Dr. Beaker]

Good old Rishi ensuring that the Labour vote turns out - we mustn't get complacent, this is just the message that needs to be put out by our friendly right wing media chaps.