Topic: Luis Díaz (Luis Fernando Díaz Marulanda)

[CHOPPER]

The only one yesterday and Wednesday and probably the last 1/2 months of football -  who really looks like he gives a fuck, wants to make things happen and get Liverpool scoring. And we took him off yesterday Fuck sake!..........our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot is the only shot we get on target all the time, every time, this season......and last season as well to be fair.

[mullyred94]

The only one yesterday and Wednesday and probably the last 1/2 months of football -  who really looks like he gives a fuck, wants to make things happen and get Liverpool scoring. And we took him off yesterday Fuck sake!..........our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot is the only shot we get on target all the time, every time, this season......and last season as well to be fair.

Coincide with old man flirting with Barca 

[CHOPPER]

Coincide with old man flirting with Barca 

If you want to look at it through cynical eyes, then that’s your prerogative, for me, he just played like he wanted to win and make something happen.

[mullyred94]

If you want to look at it through cynical eyes, then that’s your prerogative, for me, he just played like he wanted to win and make something happen.

I just personally didn’t like his old man coming out etc in a run in but to be fair to him as you’ve said his been great since that

[CHOPPER]

Plays maracas and was solid again yesterday.

Really do hope the lad stays with us next season.

[Bobsackamano]

He's electric and great to watch but does he make us a better team?

I don't think so, he's too unpredictable so doesn't seem to gel with anyone. Also the goals/assists ratio per minute is the lowest of our top 5 forwards by some margin.

If the new gaffer has a plan that involves the lad then great however it wouldn't surprise me to see him shipped for a decent fee in the summer.

[deano2727]

He's electric and great to watch but does he make us a better team?

I don't think so, he's too unpredictable so doesn't seem to gel with anyone. Also the goals/assists ratio per minute is the lowest of our top 5 forwards by some margin.

If the new gaffer has a plan that involves the lad then great however it wouldn't surprise me to see him shipped for a decent fee in the summer.

I think if we had a striker that we could rely on in terms of being available and/or putting the ball in the net when expected to, this wouldn't be as much of an issue. As it stands, we don't have that with Jota and Nunez. Diaz is probably quite low on the list of players that need replacing to be fair to him.

I do think that our entire forward line can be improved upon, which seems a bit mad to suggest, considering where we were a couple of years back and the money we spent on it, but here we are. That said, I don't think it makes sense to completely change it in one window.

Diaz is a solid player that doesn't need to be urgently replaced. I'm not sure the same can be said for the other wing, and even in the central forward role. I think it's pretty clear we need to be replacing Mo, from both a football and financial aspect. I love Jota, I'd be fine playing him there - if he was available. Nunez, unfortunately for him (and us), doesn't look like he will ever be reliable.

I think Diaz will get another season unless a big offer comes in. I'm perfectly fine with that as well.

[Draex]

He's electric and great to watch but does he make us a better team?

I don't think so, he's too unpredictable so doesn't seem to gel with anyone. Also the goals/assists ratio per minute is the lowest of our top 5 forwards by some margin.

If the new gaffer has a plan that involves the lad then great however it wouldn't surprise me to see him shipped for a decent fee in the summer.

I think Diaz is brilliant until the final third, his finishing and final pass is typically very poor.

Hopefully he improves.

[Scottymuser]

I think if we had a striker that we could rely on in terms of being available and/or putting the ball in the net when expected to, this wouldn't be as much of an issue. As it stands, we don't have that with Jota and Nunez. Diaz is probably quite low on the list of players that need replacing to be fair to him.

I do think that our entire forward line can be improved upon, which seems a bit mad to suggest, considering where we were a couple of years back and the money we spent on it, but here we are. That said, I don't think it makes sense to completely change it in one window.

Diaz is a solid player that doesn't need to be urgently replaced. I'm not sure the same can be said for the other wing, and even in the central forward role. I think it's pretty clear we need to be replacing Mo, from both a football and financial aspect. I love Jota, I'd be fine playing him there - if he was available. Nunez, unfortunately for him (and us), doesn't look like he will ever be reliable.

I think Diaz will get another season unless a big offer comes in. I'm perfectly fine with that as well.

I just don't understand how you think Diaz can be considered reliable (if we are talking about the important thing - scoring and creating goals), but Nunez isn't.  This season, they have almost underperformed almost identically against xG (Nunez is -28.6%, Diaz is -29.8%), but Nunez is doing more with his time on the pitch.  Nunez is at a goal or assist every 105 mins, Diaz at every 195 mins.  Even the last month or so, when Diaz seems to have finally started playing better, since the Brighton game at home he has played 653 mins for 2 goals and 2 assists (or one every 163 mins) - hardly a "purple patch".  Before that period, Nunez wa, from Augustr until March, at a goal or assist every 92 mins (Diaz every 203 mins) - I know which I'd consider is more "reliable".  Diaz is also 3 years later, and at his peak age-wise - very unlikely for him to get any better, whereas Nunez isstill developing and getting better.  You only have to look at Nunez's improved work rate, tracking back, etc to see that development this season - it was clear that was where Klopp was focussing on improving him this season, and now he has improved, the next step is on his finishing.  Improve that finishing, by even 5-10%, which is very do-able, and he'd be a 20 goal a season (in the PL alone) striker who also gets close to 10 assists.

[joezydudek]

I just don't understand how you think Diaz can be considered reliable (if we are talking about the important thing - scoring and creating goals), but Nunez isn't.  This season, they have almost underperformed almost identically against xG (Nunez is -28.6%, Diaz is -29.8%), but Nunez is doing more with his time on the pitch.  Nunez is at a goal or assist every 105 mins, Diaz at every 195 mins.  Even the last month or so, when Diaz seems to have finally started playing better, since the Brighton game at home he has played 653 mins for 2 goals and 2 assists (or one every 163 mins) - hardly a "purple patch".  Before that period, Nunez wa, from Augustr until March, at a goal or assist every 92 mins (Diaz every 203 mins) - I know which I'd consider is more "reliable".  Diaz is also 3 years later, and at his peak age-wise - very unlikely for him to get any better, whereas Nunez isstill developing and getting better.  You only have to look at Nunez's improved work rate, tracking back, etc to see that development this season - it was clear that was where Klopp was focussing on improving him this season, and now he has improved, the next step is on his finishing.  Improve that finishing, by even 5-10%, which is very do-able, and he'd be a 20 goal a season (in the PL alone) striker who also gets close to 10 assists.

I agree about Nunez with regards to his work-rate, but would you not expect a left-winger, and one who doesn't have as much license to stay forward as Salah, to have worse numbers than a centre-forward who's largely been playing as a 'proper' number nine?
There's a lot of room for improvement in Diaz's end product regardless, but him and Nunez are hardly like for like in terms of the positions they're taking up, so it seems a somewhat pointless comparison.
He'd of course compare unfavourably to his predecessor in that position, but you're then comparing him with one of the best players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt.

[mullyred94]

I agree about Nunez with regards to his work-rate, but would you not expect a left-winger, and one who doesn't have as much license to stay forward as Salah, to have worse numbers than a centre-forward who's largely been playing as a 'proper' number nine?
There's a lot of room for improvement in Diaz's end product regardless, but him and Nunez are hardly like for like in terms of the positions they're taking up, so it seems a somewhat pointless comparison.
He'd of course compare unfavourably to his predecessor in that position, but you're then comparing him with one of the best players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt.

Don't understand why Diaz gets a pass by Nunez gets hounded.

1 of Luchos 5 assists was a ricochet to Macca off a Sheffield player.

[istvan kozma]

Don't understand why Diaz gets a pass by Nunez gets hounded.

1 of Luchos 5 assists was a ricochet to Macca off a Sheffield player.

Don't need to take cheap shots at one player to defend another.

[mullyred94]

Don't need to take cheap shots at one player to defend another.

I'm not taking cheap shots I'm literally comparing there output.

But its okay to take shots at another player cos you prefer one over another?

Cry me a river mate.

[istvan kozma]

I'm not taking cheap shots I'm literally comparing there output.

But its okay to take shots at another player cos you prefer one over another?

Cry me a river mate.

Yes you are....

Coincide with old man flirting with Barca 

....bringing his Dad into it is cheap.

No need to defend Nunez's poor performances, by taking pathetic cheap shots at other players.

[mullyred94]

Yes you are........bringing his Dad into it is cheap.

No need to defend Nunez's poor performances, by taking pathetic cheap shots at other players.

Just pointed out he did nothing for most of the season until his dad came flirting with Barcelona & Real in the media.

Did I make that up?

Also a bit ironic since the club supported the family during the kidnapping.

Loyalty though eh?

[Yorkykopite]

Just pointed out he did nothing for most of the season until his dad came flirting with Barcelona & Real in the media.

Did I make that up?

Yes. So we can ignore the rest. Thanks for the heads-up.

[spider-neil]

Diaz is so head down sometimes. He ability to take people on is a blessing and a curse because it gets us up the pitch quickly but once he gets to the final third more often than not he is picking the wrong option. He is like the anti-Firmino. Firmino isn't going to get you up the pitch quickly but in the final third he is nearly always picking the right option.

[Drinks Sangria]

I think he looks like he does more than he’s able to actually produce. I like the lad but I’m ambivalent to whether he stays or goes and I think if you did get an offer north of £70m I’d absolutely be accepting that.

He’s peak age for his position, is unlikely to get much better and his stats have always been good without ever threatening to crack the elite. It doesn’t help that Sadio Mane is fresh in the memory, one of the greatest attackers in the clubs’ history, but even without unfair comparisons, the end product simply isn’t there at the rate it needs to be if we’re to compete for the biggest prizes.

I like him, he’s had a solid season and worked his bollocks off, but that needs to be the bare minimum in a Liverpool team and he has no synergy with any of the other attackers. 16 G+A with only 5 assists from 43 starts is okay, but it’s certainly not brilliant. I feel Slot will build the attack around Gakpo next season and Diaz to me stands out as the one I’m least sure what we do with.

[mullyred94]

Still stand by my point

[Sheer Magnetism]

Thing with Diaz is that he gets so more involved with our general play and his overall movement is so much better than the other forwards bar Salah.

It's part of the reason why the team as a whole flows better with him on the pitch. I'm not saying taking him off was the sole reason for our collapse in the last two games, but it was evident how less coordinated our attack became in both games without him dropping back as an outlet pass.

[telekon]

I think he's a great player of course. Wonderful technique with that flair of eccentricity and unpredictability. I bet a lot of defenders really hate that. His work rate is phenomenal, as his temperament. He's got speed and balance.

However, he appears to lack in vision and decision making. At least to be a the very top as a winger in a 4-3-3. He doesn't look up a lot, or at least doesn't spot runners very well. Yesterday he could've spotted Salah and laid it on a plate. Instead he waits and the pass is poor. That can happen, but I think in general you'd probably need some more skill in the "playmaker" department out on the wing, especially on the counter.

Just my 2 cents worth. Still love for him to stay, but he's somewhat limited in certain areas I reckon.

[telekon]

Diaz is so head down sometimes. He ability to take people on is a blessing and a curse because it gets us up the pitch quickly but once he gets to the final third more often than not he is picking the wrong option. He is like the anti-Firmino. Firmino isn't going to get you up the pitch quickly but in the final third he is nearly always picking the right option.

Read this after I just posted.  Agreed. 

[Fruity]

I like diaz and whilst he is not as good as Mane (not many were) I still think he is a player we should be keeping - certainly for another year at least.
Whilst Mane was a better player he also had the benefit of prime Andy robertson and prime Firmino. Diaz hasn't had that this season. Even in his first season his partnership with robertson was much better and the two linked up well when he played on the left. And on top of that I feel we are missing that Bobby style player to bring it all together and link the forwards. I think he would be a much better player in that team as his performances showed in his first season.
There may be better players out there (no idea who) but doubt there are many, if there were we probably wouldn't have Barca or PSG sniffing around.

[SerbianScouser]

Think in a different role he could contribute more.

As a great athlete and a dribbler he can contribute a lot if there's a bit less responsibility on him to score. For me he's simply more suited to a winger in 442/4231 rather than a wide forward in 433 where you simply have to be close to a 1 in 2 for it work.

IMO next season we're gonna need as many players as possible who are able to sprint back behind the ball and make us compact. Luis falls into that category of players - it's the only way for us to get where we need to be defensively in order to challenge.