Topic: The Alternative Premier League Table 2015-16

[Prof]

[drmick]

Good work Prof. It's bizarre that Rodgers' time had us on the 71 points line, but we droped way off when Klopp game!

On a slightly unrelated note, and I will ask in here as the answer will probably be most likely to be found:

Is there any website that would show me what the League table would look like if it league began Jan 1st 2016?

[killer-heels]

Good work Prof. It's bizarre that Rodgers' time had us on the 71 points line, but we droped way off when Klopp game!

On a slightly unrelated note, and I will ask in here as the answer will probably be most likely to be found:

Is there any website that would show me what the League table would look like if it league began Jan 1st 2016?

I may be wrong but since Feb i think we were second to Leicester in points gained.

[KurtVerbose]

Is there any website that would show me what the League table would look like if it league began Jan 1st 2016?

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/England-Premier-League

We would be 7th.

In any case it's better to look at the APLT. Our form under Jürgen was terrible when we had a long injury crisis, picked up from match 25, and was again bad when we were concentrating on the Europa cup and had nothing to win in the league.

In summary our league form under Jürgen has not improved at all, but we've had two cup runs that have taken us to the finals.

[KurtVerbose]

I may be wrong but since Feb i think we were second to Leicester in points gained.

6th, unless you mean the end of Feb when we'd be 3rd.

[killer-heels]

6th, unless you mean the end of Feb when we'd be 3rd.

Yeah thats probably what i read.

[killer-heels]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/England-Premier-League

We would be 7th.

In any case it's better to look at the APLT. Our form under Jürgen was terrible when we had a long injury crisis, picked up from match 25, and was again bad when we were concentrating on the Europa cup and had nothing to win in the league.

In summary our league form under Jürgen has not improved at all, but we've had two cup runs that have taken us to the finals.

Its funny but i think we would have been higher in the league if Rodgers was still here. Things like prioritising competitions probably wouldnt have happened.

[TheShanklyGates]

Cheers for keeping this thread updated throughout the season Prof and co.

Even though it hasn't been relevant to us this season it's still always an interesting read.

[drmick]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/England-Premier-League

We would be 7th.

In any case it's better to look at the APLT. Our form under Jürgen was terrible when we had a long injury crisis, picked up from match 25, and was again bad when we were concentrating on the Europa cup and had nothing to win in the league.

In summary our league form under Jürgen has not improved at all, but we've had two cup runs that have taken us to the finals.

Thanks, that website is good fun.  Fair play to Leicester, top no matter which range you go for. Utd finished strongly, at least in terms of points.

[Prof]

Cheers for keeping this thread updated throughout the season Prof and co.

Even though it hasn't been relevant to us this season it's still always an interesting read.

You're welcome.  Thanks for following.

[sideshowme]

not to be too fussy, prof, but the right hand axis on the graph is misaligned (?) and tragically undersells the true extent of chelsea's failure

[paddysour]

What happened to City in week 24? Was that when they announced Pep?

[johnny74]

You're welcome.  Thanks for following.

Thanks for all your work! Look forward to next season.

Are you going to stick with the model or are you going to see if you can adapt it?

[johnny74]

Good work Prof. It's bizarre that Rodgers' time had us on the 71 points line, but we droped way off when Klopp game!

On a slightly unrelated note, and I will ask in here as the answer will probably be most likely to be found:

Is there any website that would show me what the League table would look like if it league began Jan 1st 2016?

Klopp has struggled in the league relative to Rodgers, but remember he had to adapt in a big way to a much more competitive and chaotic league with players he didn't know well. There's a section where he steadied the ship and then the EL became more important.

Plus, Rodgers was probably better than a lot of people remember.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Just wanted to express my gratitude for this thread, Prof, and you're work keeping it up to date. It always generates reasoned and intelligent discussion, so my thanks to the regular posters here too.

Looking forward to next season's chart too!

[KurtVerbose]

These are the stats comparing Rodgers and Klopp, with Klopp's taken from mid Feb, which I think is fair.

	Rodgers	Klopp
pts per game	1.5	1.58
gf per game	1	2.08
ga per game	1.25	1.17

Defence has improved a bit, but we're scoring twice as many goals per game. That might just be the Daniel Sturridge influence though.

[Nessy76]

These are the stats comparing Rodgers and Klopp, with Klopp's taken from mid Feb, which I think is fair.

	Rodgers	Klopp
pts per game	1.5	1.58
gf per game	1	2.08
ga per game	1.25	1.17

Defence has improved a bit, but we're scoring twice as many goals per game. That might just be the Daniel Sturridge influence though.

Firmino finding his feet helped, too.

The real work starts now.

[KurtVerbose]

Firmino finding his feet helped, too.

The real work starts now.

Yes, just trying to find something positive about our league form and there isn't much, but on the whole I think we have quite good players and next season hopefully we'll have a much better team.

[Prof]

Thanks for all your work! Look forward to next season.

Are you going to stick with the model or are you going to see if you can adapt it?

I don't see any reason to change it.  This was a freak season really, with the mourinho issues at Chelsea and Guardiola being announced messing up the seasons of the best two teams.

I think the benchmarks will look right again next season.

[Ycuzz]

I don't see any reason to change it.  This was a freak season really, with the mourinho issues at Chelsea and Guardiola being announced messing up the seasons of the best two teams.

I think the benchmarks will look right again next season.

Sooo.... this will be back for next season then?

Lovely. As others, thanks Prof - drinks on me.

[Vinay]

The relatively more consistent team won the league - Leicester's time path is quite flat after Match Day 21.

[johnny74]

I don't see any reason to change it.  This was a freak season really, with the mourinho issues at Chelsea and Guardiola being announced messing up the seasons of the best two teams.

I think the benchmarks will look right again next season.

I was more thinking of whether the experiences of the last five seasons had shown you ways that the model could be adjusted or improved whilst maintaining the simplicity and relevance. I guess the original data that you based the system on probably remains unchanged?

[Lofty Ambitions]

Sooo.... this will be back for next season then?

Lovely. As others, thanks Prof - drinks on me.

My favorite thread returns for yet another season! Thanks Prof !!! 

[kcbworth]

Kudos to all involved this year - always get some insight from this.

[kcbworth]

just trying to find something positive about our league form

Wed 20 Apr - Liverpool 4-0 Everton
Wed 2 Mar - Liverpool 3-0 Man City
Sun 14 Feb - Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool
Sat 23 Jan - Norwich 4-5 Liverpool   
Sat 21 Nov - Man City 1-4 Liverpool   

There's some positives

[myrlas]

Just a quick question regarding the alt table.

Is the away match vs the team on 13th as difficult statisticcaly as the home match against the teams in let's say top 3 in the table?

PL is getting more competitive due to the tv-money, and if you were to reduce the '"winning par" from 90p to let's say 88 or 86 points wouldn't it be more accurate to convert the most difficult home games to par 1 instead of taking away games at the poorer teams?

Any thoughts about this?

[SP]

I'd argue that 90 points is an aspiration. An outlier season alone is not enough reason to amend.

Personally, I would stick with the simplicity of all home games being par 3. APLT is deliberately simple to explain. I don't think the gains from increased complexity justify the loss of elegance.

[Prof]

Just a quick question regarding the alt table.

Is the away match vs the team on 13th as difficult statisticcaly as the home match against the teams in let's say top 3 in the table?

PL is getting more competitive due to the tv-money, and if you were to reduce the '"winning par" from 90p to let's say 88 or 86 points wouldn't it be more accurate to convert the most difficult home games to par 1 instead of taking away games at the poorer teams?

Any thoughts about this?

This has been discussed loads over the last few seasons.  Have a look at the home records of the last 10 league winners, then look at where they dropped points at home.

In the past, where a 2ppg average was enough to win the league, it was thought that winning at home and drawing away was the approach to take.

[Block G Raptor]

The Alternative Premier League Table 2015-16

This is a continuation of the last four APLT threads which ran over the last three seasons and can be found here:
2011-12 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=278916.
2012-13 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296309.0
2013-14http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=306705.0
2014-15http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315567.0

Are we going to see a 16/17 version. I'd imagine we're looking pretty healthy after beating Arsenal, Drawing with Spurs Away and beating the Champions at home

[Elmo!]

Are we going to see a 16/17 version. I'd imagine we're looking pretty healthy after beating Arsenal, Drawing with Spurs Away and beating the Champions at home

If you'd just looked a little bit down the first page...... 

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=329366.0