Topic: Those chants

[Speedy Molby]

I saw the report. I agree it was disappointing and disproportionate to include the footage of our fans’ Munich chants, but this is the BBC, not RAWK. That’s their way of seeming balanced.
Overall, the report was good, and the beeb are the first to tackle this. The report’s general thrust was about Hillsborough chants, it made clear that ‘always the victims’ is a Hillsborough chant and it included interviews with Margaret Aspinall and Lou Brookes.
Please don’t let tribalism muddy the waters. Let’s just get rid of this shit.

[KillieRed]

Divide & Rule.

[KevLFC]

What I don't get why have chants turned more ugly and sick in recent seasons? Seem to be more of these chants the more successful we became in recent seasons.

[Son of Spion]

What I don't get why have chants turned more ugly and sick in recent seasons? Seem to be more of these chants the more successful we became in recent seasons.

Our recent success has a lot to do with it. Also, it's been almost universally ignored as it got sicker and sicker, which encouraged those indulging in it. If you let a sore fester it becomes poisonous. The country itself has also slipped further into the cesspit too, which helps create such toxic people, environment and behaviour.

[rob1966]

Our recent success has a lot to do with it. Also, it's been almost universally ignored as it got sicker and sicker, which encouraged those indulging in it. If you let a sore fester it becomes poisonous.

Covid seems to have changed people too, there's more of a I don't give a fuck attitude.

Noticed the Mancs singing Chelsea Rent Boy at Frank before - won't be a peep about that.

[Son of Spion]

Covid seems to have changed people too, there's more of a I don't give a fuck attitude.

Noticed the Mancs singing Chelsea Rent Boy at Frank before - won't be a peep about that.

I've noticed that too. I hoped Covid would change attitudes, encourage empathy and bring people together. There were examples where this was the case too, but overall it seemed to make an awful lot of people even more selfish. Now, society is even worse than it was pre-covid.

The Mancs? I'm sure the media will have had collective hearing loss when the chant was sung.

[Aldo1988]

Our recent success has a lot to do with it. Also, it's been almost universally ignored as it got sicker and sicker, which encouraged those indulging in it. If you let a sore fester it becomes poisonous. The country itself has also slipped further into the cesspit too, which helps create such toxic people, environment and behaviour.

Coke'd up fans and the 'banter' culture are two of the reasons.

[KevLFC]

Our recent success has a lot to do with it. Also, it's been almost universally ignored as it got sicker and sicker, which encouraged those indulging in it. If you let a sore fester it becomes poisonous. The country itself has also slipped further into the cesspit too, which helps create such toxic people, environment and behaviour.

I try to avoid most shit on social media but some try to use a few idiots of ours booing the Queen etc as a fair excuse. I feel its more the younger generation of fans coming through especially with the likes of City.

[Son of Spion]

Coke'd up fans and the 'banter' culture are two of the reasons.

True. Like most problems, I think there are multiple contributing factors coming together.

[mikeb58]

Coke'd up fans and the 'banter' culture are two of the reasons.

Plus, away fans are much more protected these days. They wouldn't dare chant their shit if they knew they would face the consequences inside the ground or leaving it.

Sick, ignorant shithouse behaviour and I can't see it going away.

[rob1966]

Plus, away fans are much more protected these days. They wouldn't dare chant their shit if they knew they would face the consequences inside the ground or leaving it.

Sick, ignorant shithouse behaviour and I can't see it going away.

You'd think someone from Merseyside Police would twat them with a nightstick when they opened their gobs.

[Fromola]

What I don't get why have chants turned more ugly and sick in recent seasons? Seem to be more of these chants the more successful we became in recent seasons.

It's society. People are a lot more angry and disrespectful. Same in the 80s when the Tories were fucking the country then. Social media makes fan culture a lot more toxic as well, without the threat of violence that was there in the 80s (CCTV etc/banning orders/criminal records/camera phones etc).

[Son of Spion]

I try to avoid most shit on social media but some try to use a few idiots of ours booing the Queen etc as a fair excuse. I feel its more the younger generation of fans coming through especially with the likes of City.

Social media certainly gives it a platform, and that often then spills over into the game itself. I don't have Twitter or Facebook, but I watch a fair bit of stuff on Youtube. Comments on there are stomach-churning enough.

The booing of the Establishment and its figurehead is just an excuse certain opposition use in order to feel ok in themselves about being mindless scumbags and singing about death, grief and suffering. The ironic thing there is that so many of them actually complain in daily life about how the government and establishment screws them over on a daily basis, then they turn up at football grounds waving their Union Flag or Flag of St. George with the name of their run down and socially deprived town painted across the front of it. 

[DangerScouse]

The 'rentboy' song clearly audible tonight. Interesting to see the reaction or lack of, to it. At least our club had the balls to deal with it head on.

[Aldo1988]

The 'rentboy' song clearly audible tonight. Interesting to see the reaction or lack of, to it. At least our club had the balls to deal with it head on.

Did we deal with it because there was a big fuss made about it in the press (because it was us)?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Coke'd up fans and the 'banter' culture are two of the reasons.

There's always been coked up fans & we just used to call it taking the piss.

[Aldo1988]

There's always been coked up fans & we just used to call it taking the piss.

It's got much worse over the last few years.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It's got much worse over the last few years.

I'm not so sure it has mate,it's just that every fucker is a reporter with an hd camera in their pocket.

[Aldo1988]

I'm not so sure it has mate,it's just that every fucker is a reporter with an hd camera in their pocket.

I've noticed it is more prevalent over the last few years, I also hang around with a lot of young football lads due to that fact I'm still trying to play footie (I'm in my late 40's) who all seem to be on it every weekend.  Not my cup of tea, I'm more of a drinker!

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I've noticed it is more prevalent over the last few years, I also hang around with a lot of young football lads due to that fact I'm still trying to play footie (I'm in my late 40's) who all seem to be on it every weekend.  Not my cup of tea, I'm more of a drinker!

Oh you're on about the beak,maybe like,I always preferred base myself.

[Aldo1988]

Oh you're on about the beak,maybe like,I always preferred base myself.

Haha, stick with the base, just don't do speed 

Sorry for taking this thread way off course!

[Johnny Aldridge]

Sometimes you can’t blame the drugs, you just gotta blame the people.
A coked up wanker is a sober wanker come Monday.
I miss the days when some of the opposition chants were funny and clever.

[Aldo1988]

Sometimes you can’t blame the drugs, you just gotta blame the people.
A coked up wanker is a sober wanker come Monday.
I miss the days when some of the opposition chants were funny and clever.

This is kind of my point, they'd still be wanker, but the drugs have made them feel like it's acceptable to do it in the herd mentality.

[Fromola]

Sometimes you can’t blame the drugs, you just gotta blame the people.
A coked up wanker is a sober wanker come Monday.
I miss the days when some of the opposition chants were funny and clever.

The thing with coke is it turns even sound people into arseholes.  Filthy habit

I've missed the days of wit from opposition fans but away fans have been like that at Anfield a long time. It's been the same shit like sign on, shall.we sing a song for you, library, feed the Scousers, your support is shit on a loop. Now they just add always the victims to the mix.

[FlashGordon]

The thing with coke is it turns even sound people into arseholes. Filthy habit

I've missed the days of wit from opposition fans but away fans have been like that at Anfield a long time. It's been the same shut like sign on, shall.we sing a song for you, library, feed the Scousers, your support is shit on a loop. Now they just add always the victims to the mix.

No it doesn't. It allows arseholes to reveal themselves. There's a difference.

[ianburns252]

Plus, away fans are much more protected these days. They wouldn't dare chant their shit if they knew they would face the consequences inside the ground or leaving it.

Sick, ignorant shithouse behaviour and I can't see it going away.

The threat of violence shouldn't be what keeps people from behaving this way though, nor should it be considered as as an option from our fans - it is disgusting what is chanted but the solution being to fill people in is hardly the sort of attitude that we should be condoning either.

Society quite simply has changed so much over the last 10 years to encourage more tribal attitudes and more divisions between people. What we have seen is a significant reduction in racist and homophobic chanting at matches - surely there are lessons in how that was combatted to be learned in how to deal with this?

[Fromola]

No it doesn't. It allows arseholes to reveal themselves. There's a difference.

Yeah but it's like with alcohol. There's probably a particular drink (whether it be ale, vodka, scotch, wine) that has a bad effect on people, even if they're fine with others.

As a general rule anyone who's high on coke is an unsufferable prick.

[Barneylfc∗]

Yeah but it's like with alcohol. There's probably a particular drink (whether it be ale, vodka, scotch, wine) that has a bad effect on people, even if they're fine with others.

As a general rule anyone who's high on coke is an unsufferable prick.

Must be some mad shit in the coke over there. I know loads that take it and they don't change a bit.

[FlashGordon]

Must be some mad shit in the coke over there. I know loads that take it and they don't change a bit.

 

He's describing literally the complete opposite experience I've had over many years. It's not the coke that makes the arseholes, it's the fact they're arseholes. The coke may magnify it a bit but they're arseholes to begin with.

[Kalito]

Must be some mad shit in the coke over there. I know loads that take it and they don't change a bit.

Pricks that take coke, stay pricks?

Wow, i'm shocked! 

[alonsoisared]

Must be some mad shit in the coke over there. I know loads that take it and they don't change a bit.

Whats the point in taking it then?

[Barneylfc∗]

Pricks that take coke, stay pricks?

Wow, i'm shocked! 

Or

Sound people that take coke and stay sound.

He's describing literally the complete opposite experience I've had over many years. It's not the coke that makes the arseholes, it's the fact they're arseholes. The coke may magnify it a bit but they're arseholes to begin with.

Is correct.

[Barneylfc∗]

Whats the point in taking it then?

I mean don't change a bit as in don't turn in to an absolute bellend that chants about people that died at a game of football, or abuse someone because of their skin colour or sexual preference.

[FlashGordon]

I mean don't change a bit as in don't turn in to an absolute bellend that chants about people that died at a game of football, or abuse someone because of their skin colour or sexual preference.

The fact that needed to be explained is hilarious.

[24/7]

I joined RAWK this day 16 years ago as a result of seeing THE TRUTH mosaic on The Kop, FA Cp 3rd round, (v Arsenal?) the day before, you know, when Lawro uttered the words that make me despise the miserable c*nt forever.

The fact that, 16 years later, we're actually apparently witnessing an entirely new generation pick up on cruel chants that mock death is gut-wrenching and heartbreaking. We may have lost the battle for justice but we fuckin well hammered the battle for truth - these knobheads singing shite like this need prosecuting.....

......and I have zero faith in the authorities' collective will to make a genuine difference.

[DangerScouse]

"can't we just get on with the football." Tells you everything when an former player dismisses the fight for justice and despite being fully vindicated,you'll never get through to most of the bellends.

[TheShanklyGates]

The 'rentboy' song clearly audible tonight. Interesting to see the reaction or lack of, to it. At least our club had the balls to deal with it head on.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/fa-investigate-homophobic-chanting-man-utd-v-everton-game-2023-01-07/

And BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64197462

[24/7]

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/fa-investigate-homophobic-chanting-man-utd-v-everton-game-2023-01-07/

And BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64197462

Interesting. Have the CPS ever deemed any of the stuff aimed at us as a "hate crime", or does that legislation only apply to things like race or sexual orientation? Mocking the dead still not illegal.....? Pointing the fingers at people who are still alive and blaming them for deaths surely must be.

[Speedy Molby]

Interesting. Have the CPS ever deemed any of the stuff aimed at us as a "hate crime", or does that legislation only apply to things like race or sexual orientation? Mocking the dead still not illegal.....? Pointing the fingers at people who are still alive and blaming them for deaths surely must be.

Thing is Jim, the dead, bereaved and traumatised are not subject to abuse and discrimination in  everyday life, so are not covered by the Equalities Act. In football we are seen as fair game. This should increase the onus on the football authorities to act, but they just hide behind the Equalities Act.

Was there anything from Wolves tonight?

[redgriffin73]

Worst I heard from them was Sign On.