Topic: The NFL Thread

[FlashGordon]

from the sounds of it he needs someone with experience to be his DC.

Rob Ryan for shits and giggles.

[LFC_1981]

Was Williams calling plays when he was HC for those weeks at Browns? If so why didn’t they just keep him.

[RedG13]

Was Williams calling plays when he was HC for those weeks at Browns? If so why didn’t they just keep him.

On D yes. Bountygate for one is a reason to not keep him and he coaches a defensive that more based on turnover then efficiencies also not sure he would want a downgrade per say. Let kitchens get his guys in

[RedG13]

with the bears, no one mentioned them going for the 2 pointer, i get it but i said at the time, take the 1

extra points arent a given anymore, if they'd took the one and all things remained the same they'd tied or 'forced' the eagles in going for a 2 pointer themselves

was a bummer, all the teams i wanted to progress came thru apart from the bears, who along with the chargers were the team i was most confident of getting the win cos of their defense (i know pundits were saying ravens had the best stats but having seen almost every game of the regular season, the bears had the best defense imo)

Bears had best Defense per Footballoutsider DVOA. Ravens where 3, no team with a top 5 D DVOA won the playoff last weekend, all top 5 Offense DVOA teams are left in the playoffs KC 1, LAR are 2, LAC 3, NO 4 and NE is 5.

Im sure not going for 2 to up 7 is worth it. you miss on a 50% play they dont never need to make Pat and they go 2 and your chances of winning likely go down.

[Statto Red]

Nope just 29 degrees [-2 F]

Isn't 29 degrees -2C not F?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Isn't 29 degrees -2C not F?

Yeah, it was a typo on my part

[RedG13]

Gase to be Jets new HC
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083163807894200326

[LFC_1981]

Jets scum.

[skipper757]

Just move the Jets to St. Louis or London already.

At least the rivalry with the Dolphins will be fun again.

“An Adam Gase miracle as the Jets rally from 21 down to beat the Dolphins to improve to 4-7 on the year.  Both sets of fans give up on their teams to follow the World Checkers Championship instead.”

[Statto Red]

How many coaches is that now that have been fired since the 2018 season started only to end up elsewhere in thew NFL?

[LFC_1981]

Just move the Jets to St. Louis or London already.

At least the rivalry with the Dolphins will be fun again.

“An Adam Gase miracle as the Jets rally from 21 down to beat the Dolphins to improve to 4-7 on the year.  Both sets of fans give up on their teams to follow the World Checkers Championship instead.”

Patriots somewhere eating a sandwich watching the AFC East be a dysfunctional shithole

[voodoo ray]

How many coaches is that now that have been fired since the 2018 season started only to end up elsewhere in thew NFL?

most seem to just end up getting a gig with their freinds.

[Statto Red]

most seem to just end up getting a gig with their freinds.

Yep, it's like the LMA mafia managerial merry go round, get fired from one job but end up elsewhere.

[Red Viper]

with the bears, no one mentioned them going for the 2 pointer, i get it but i said at the time, take the 1

extra points arent a given anymore, if they'd took the one and all things remained the same they'd tied or 'forced' the eagles in going for a 2 pointer themselves

It wouldn't have made any difference. If they don't go for two then the Eagles don't go for two. It would have just finished 17-16 instead of 16-15.

[Red Viper]

So it's looking like Kyler Murray is declaring for the draft after all. Interesting.

[Trev20]

So it's looking like Kyler Murray is declaring for the draft after all. Interesting.

Terrible choice in my opinion.

[Red Viper]

Terrible choice in my opinion.

Makes the draft more interesting though

[Buck Pete]

Terrible choice in my opinion.

Makes the draft more interesting though

Definitely makes it more interesting.

What I've read I think the only big negative really is around his height.

Trev - You watch loads of college footy, why do you think its a bad decision? 

If it doesn't work out for him as an NFL rookie could he just go back to Baseball?

[voodoo ray]

I admire the kid's ambition.


As far as coaches go, teams just need to find blokes called Bill. Obviously grumpy bill in NE is the most successful coach of his generation and something like the past 20 superbowls have been won by the parcells or Walsh coaching trees. The only exception? Bill cowher.

Seems obvious to me.

[bryanod]

Terrible choice in my opinion.

Why, first round QB likely make more money than anything but an extreme all-pro baseball player, and get it sooner too. Plus I guess if doesn't work out after his rookie contract he can likely slide over to baseball again.

Think I went through this somewhere here few weeks ago that the $$$ pointed to this decision.

Helps QB needy teams like Miami too....

[Buck Pete]

Why, first round QB likely make more money than anything but an extreme all-pro baseball player, and get it sooner too. Plus I guess if doesn't work out after his rookie contract he can likely slide over to baseball again.

Think I went through this somewhere here few weeks ago that the $$$ pointed to this decision.

Helps QB needy teams like Miami too....

He got a $5m signing on fee at the A's (which I assume would have to give back?)

I think it goes a bit beyond $$$.  The reports i read are that his heart genuinely is in becoming an NFL player.

[KillieRed]

Why, first round QB likely make more money than anything but an extreme all-pro baseball player, and get it sooner too. Plus I guess if doesn't work out after his rookie contract he can likely slide over to baseball again.

Think I went through this somewhere here few weeks ago that the $$$ pointed to this decision.

Helps QB needy teams like Miami too....

From a Raiders perspective I see him as good trading-down bargaining chip...unless Gruden would actually want to draft him, and trade Carr. He wouldn't, would he? 

[Skeeve]

From a Raiders perspective I see him as good trading-down bargaining chip...unless Gruden would actually want to draft him, and trade Carr. He wouldn't, would he? 

Depends how eager he is trying to make the first Las Vegas season seem like an improvement, at some point they must run out of new ways to tank surely?

[Buck Pete]

From a Raiders perspective I see him as good trading-down bargaining chip...unless Gruden would actually want to draft him, and trade Carr. He wouldn't, would he? 

Oakland already got 3 first round selections.  Interesting to see what they do.

[KillieRed]

Depends how eager he is trying to make the first Las Vegas season seem like an improvement, at some point they must run out of new ways to tank surely?

The family silver is all gone, unless they trade Carr, Hudson & Osemele.

[LiverLuke]

not long till the colts send andy reid packing again 

[Something Worse]

Why, first round QB likely make more money than anything but an extreme all-pro baseball player, and get it sooner too. Plus I guess if doesn't work out after his rookie contract he can likely slide over to baseball again.

Think I went through this somewhere here few weeks ago that the $$$ pointed to this decision.

Helps QB needy teams like Miami too....

MLB players have it way better than NFL players, it just takes forever to get there.

[RedG13]

He got a $5m signing on fee at the A's (which I assume would have to give back?)

I think it goes a bit beyond $$$.  The reports i read are that his heart genuinely is in becoming an NFL player.

Around that. he likely a first round pick that at least 9 mil guaranteed. High bust rate in MLB draft of high picks. Most of the time Baseball money over time is better then Football money expect when your a QB.
First Round Qb lets say he picked where Lamar Jackson did(I think he goes higher) but that 9 mil a little over on rookie deal 5th option is like 20 mil year all guaranteed and if he works out he will get over 60+ mil Guaranteed money. He not likely to make unless he a Mike trout, Harper talent level as a baseball. Also QB can last long in Football.

[newterp]

Oakland already got 3 first round selections.  Interesting to see what they do.

They could probably turn that into 6 first and second round selections if they play it right.

[voodoo ray]

The problem for gruden is that the teams he traded to both ended up doing well.

[newterp]

The problem for gruden is that the teams he traded to both ended up doing well.

problem with gruden - to me at least - is that he seems as dumb as a box of rocks.* his 90s-early 2000s success is long past and I'm not sure at all what he's trying to do with the London Raiders.


either gruden fits here.

[Buck Pete]

The problem for gruden is that the teams he traded to both ended up doing well.

Yeah I bet Cody Parkey is on Gruden's Christmas card list

[Lone Star Red]

He got a $5m signing on fee at the A's (which I assume would have to give back?)

I think it goes a bit beyond $$$.  The reports i read are that his heart genuinely is in becoming an NFL player.

I'm an OU alum and a die-hard college football fan in general. So I've seen every snap that Kyler has played at QB at OU.

You're right in that it goes beyond money. Kyler's first love is football, always has been.

He's a good prospect in baseball. He's already a bonafide star in football. Plus, just read up on his dad, who was both a baseball star and a football star. Went through an incredibly similar experience as Kyler, 30 years ago.

[Lone Star Red]

Terrible choice in my opinion.

It might be. Same as sticking with baseball might be a terrible decision.

The A's absolutely reached in the draft by selecting him as the 9th overall pick. He's a very good baseball player but he is definitely a prospect and nowhere remotely close to being in AA or AAA ball, let alone the MLB. The prospect of playing minor league ball for years, travelling across the country in a bus for months at a time and playing in small stadiums in front of a couple hundred people, for a shot at the MLB may not sound as appealing as the chance to be an NFL QB and get on the field in his rookie season.

It's a risk either way, no doubt, but the kid is an unbelievable warrior and competitor. Not to mention the absurd God-given abilities and athleticism.

I'm certainly somewhat skeptical of how his play will or won't translate to the NFL, but I'm also somewhat skeptical of if he'd ever make an MLB roster.

[Buck Pete]

I'm an OU alum and a die-hard college football fan in general. So I've seen every snap that Kyler has played at QB at OU.

You're right in that it goes beyond money. Kyler's first love is football, always has been.

He's a good prospect in baseball. He's already a bonafide star in football.

I also read that he has no issues seeing above the DL/OL which due to his height was a concern for some people

Its obviously not an issue at OU so I really cant see how this would be different in the NFL either.  Can you?

Personally, I'm hoping he survives the first few Rd 1 picks and SF draft him to challenge Mullens for starting QB.  Although I'm not sure whats happening with Garoppolo after his ACL?  Maybe the 49ers will prioritise one of the highly rated LB stars that are gonna be top draft picks.

 

[Ray K]

I admire the kid's ambition.


As far as coaches go, teams just need to find blokes called Bill. Obviously grumpy bill in NE is the most successful coach of his generation and something like the past 20 superbowls have been won by the parcells or Walsh coaching trees. The only exception? Bill cowher.

Doug Pederson and John Harbaugh are both from the Andy Reid tree. A quarter of the league this season was. Love Andy Reid. Thinking Andy won't misuse timeouts is a bit like going to a Stones gig and expecting that they won't play Jumping Jack Flash. Gotta play the greatest hits, man. 

[Lone Star Red]

I also read that he has no issues seeing above the DL/OL which due to his height was a concern for some people

Its obviously not an issue at OU so I really cant see how this would be different in the NFL either.  Can you?

Personally, I'm hoping he survives the first few Rd 1 picks and SF draft him to challenge Mullens for starting QB.  Although I'm not sure whats happening with Garoppolo after his ACL?  Maybe the 49ers will prioritise one of the highly rated LB stars that are gonna be top draft picks.

 

In my opinion, the days of 6 foot QB's being too short for the NFL, should be over. The NFL has changed a lot over the last several years, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Guys like Brees, Wilson and Mayfield have proven that if you're good enough, you're good enough. Regardless of height. And the Big 12, much laughed at for it's inability to play defense for the last decade, has all of a sudden seen a dramatic increase in the interest from the NFL for the offensive coaches in this conference. Probably due to the fact that no other conference can put up points and yards like the teams in the Big 12.

Having said that, Kyler is 5'10 and I believe that is a generous measurement. And he's 195 pounds soaking wet. I could definitely see teams having legitimate concerns about those measurements and his survivability in the NFL going against 6'4 250 pound linebackers who are as quick as safeties at the college level.

And you're right, his ability to see over the OL at OU was not a problem at all. The height of OU's 5 starters this season was 6'5, 6'4, 6'5, 6'5 and 6'4. And due to our OL's dominance this year (won the award for best OL in the country), Murray passed from the pocket on the majority of our pass plays this season. Murray had a decent amount of balls batted down at the LOS by opposing DL's, but it was nothing remotely concerning.

[Lone Star Red]

Long story short on Kyler, I'm torn on his boom/bust odds NFL. I warned y'all months ago about Baker and how he was going to tear the NFL up.    Never been more sure about a QB.

I'm a bit less sure on Kyler. He has a great head on his shoulders, is smart as hell, comes from a great lineage and was coached his entire life to be a great passer of the ball, has unbelievable speed, cannon of an arm, and the "it" factor. That alone makes him an incredibly intriguing and possibly franchise-changing draft choice.

Gun to my head, I think he's going to make a good to great NFL QB, but will take a lot more time adapting to the league than someone like Baker. He will inevitably be compared to Baker since he followed him at OU and won the Heisman, a year after Baker. I think Baker's experience at the college level compared to Kyler's inexperience (Baker had nearly 1500 pass attempts in college in 48 games compared to Kyler's 519 pass attempts in 29 games) helped him a lot and will hold Kyler back at first.

[voodoo ray]

Doug Pederson and John Harbaugh are both from the Andy Reid tree. A quarter of the league this season was. Love Andy Reid. Thinking Andy won't misuse timeouts is a bit like going to a Stones gig and expecting that they won't play Jumping Jack Flash. Gotta play the greatest hits, man. 

I think they count Reid as part of the Walsh tree through Holmgren.

These things can get pretty tenuous eventually.


oh dear this isn't good.

https://twitter.com/LucasOilStadium/status/1083395988507820032

[RedG13]

I also read that he has no issues seeing above the DL/OL which due to his height was a concern for some people

Its obviously not an issue at OU so I really cant see how this would be different in the NFL either.  Can you?

Personally, I'm hoping he survives the first few Rd 1 picks and SF draft him to challenge Mullens for starting QB.  Although I'm not sure whats happening with Garoppolo after his ACL?  Maybe the 49ers will prioritise one of the highly rated LB stars that are gonna be top draft picks.

 

Garoppolo probably the starter, He tore his ACl earlier in the season would guess he ready but training camp/Preseason.  Also unlikely to cut bait with him this year. Im guessing 49ers take Josh Allen from Kentucky unless somehow Bosa falls, they need Edge Rushers more then anything.

Here is Jimmy Garoppolo Contract details, would be a lot to cut or trade him this year, after this year it nothing https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-14472/#