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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64840 on: November 28, 2020, 11:50:20 pm »
Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.

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« Reply #64841 on: November 28, 2020, 11:50:49 pm »
True for normal people, but when you’re a professional boxer you have to be prepared to go to the very edge with stuff like that.

I understand what you're saying mate, but sometimes being professional means being smart, right now we don't know how bad the eye is.
Now you think Ronald McDonald gonna go down to the basement and say, "Hey Mr. Nugget - you the bomb. We sellin' chicken faster than you can tear the bone out. So I'm gonna write my clowney ass name on this fat-ass cheque for you."

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64842 on: November 28, 2020, 11:52:14 pm »
He's an orthodox fighter, his left eye is his leading one, having heart when you can't see whats coming at you at heavyweight is bollocks and the sooner people move away from that attitude the better. Punches that hard can kill you, especially if you've got no way of avoiding then. He quite but he was right to quit because with 3 rounds to go he could have done a lot of extra damage to that eye.
As I say I do get what your saying but it’s not bollocks in boxing terms, you either have that heart and mentality to go through things normal people wouldn’t or you don’t. In boxing you do have to go through that or you ain’t getting anywhere near the top.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64843 on: November 28, 2020, 11:52:33 pm »
I wonder if he'd have fought through it if there was a crowd there

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« Reply #64844 on: November 28, 2020, 11:53:36 pm »
Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.

Yeah he's ideal for Usyk, he hasn't got anything to trouble him really, cept for size I suppose.
Now you think Ronald McDonald gonna go down to the basement and say, "Hey Mr. Nugget - you the bomb. We sellin' chicken faster than you can tear the bone out. So I'm gonna write my clowney ass name on this fat-ass cheque for you."

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64845 on: November 28, 2020, 11:55:01 pm »
So do we know what time the circus ring walk is ?
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64846 on: November 28, 2020, 11:55:05 pm »
DDD corner were awful too, sounded like cheerleaders every round.

Looked to me Dubois had 2/3 big attacks in his gas tank, didn't get Joyce out of there and effectively was running on nothing.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64847 on: November 28, 2020, 11:55:42 pm »
The likes of Duran and Tzszyu quit out of fights as well to be fair.
I thought about No Mas as well there but Duran had already proven he had what it takes and proved it again afterwards. That was a different type of quit but he was absolutely slaughtered for it at the time
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64848 on: November 28, 2020, 11:56:14 pm »
Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.
He's mid 30s and ponderous as fuck, he's not winning a world title. Cash out if I was him

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64849 on: November 28, 2020, 11:56:30 pm »
To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64850 on: November 28, 2020, 11:57:40 pm »
To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.


For me its 100% his heart, he quit tonight against a fella that was a great amateur

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64851 on: November 28, 2020, 11:58:53 pm »
To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.

This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

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« Reply #64852 on: November 28, 2020, 11:59:36 pm »
Say what you want, that is one of the best uses of the jab I have seen in while.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64853 on: November 28, 2020, 11:59:49 pm »
This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.
And also the complete lack of head movement by Dubois

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64854 on: November 29, 2020, 12:01:42 am »
This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

I agree with what you’re saying to an extent, but there’s a heightened risk of serious injury every time someone steps into the ring. The very best fighters are the ones who will go and play right at the edge.. whether that’s right or whether it’s fair to criticise someone for stepping back from that edge is a difficult one to decide. Boxing is a brutal, brutal sport.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64855 on: November 29, 2020, 12:03:18 am »
So do we know what time the circus ring walk is ?

Anytime after 4.  ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64856 on: November 29, 2020, 12:03:26 am »
I thought about No Mas as well there but Duran had already proven he had what it takes and proved it again afterwards. That was a different type of quit but he was absolutely slaughtered for it at the time

Oh yeah, and the Tzszyu one was different as well given that Hatton had dragged him to the point of total exhaustion. But the general point still stands that it is pretty simplistic to just say that 'great fighters never quit'.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64857 on: November 29, 2020, 12:07:24 am »
This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

Yeah of course - they are heavyweight boxers. But to be honest as good a job Joyce did tonight if Dubois comes back and starts moving up in levels again over the next few years that eye is going to get hit harder and with more regularity by better boxers than Joyce. If it's already gone at this stage in his career then it's a major worry for him I think.

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« Reply #64858 on: November 29, 2020, 12:08:41 am »
It's a shame because the ref would've definitely taken him over to the Dr. after that shot & it would have been stopped.

The corner should have pulled him out previous round or at least threw in the towel.

He has to.protect himself first and foremost but it is never a good look to fold at your first gut check.

Forgetting the quit talk for a minute, what does Dubois have at elite level. His power is not elite, nor is his speed, skill, jab, defence, stamina or footwork.

Frank is gonna have to build him up with proper tests if he is to advance him. I'm.not sure he comes back from.this properly

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64859 on: November 29, 2020, 12:10:00 am »
Frank Warren was so pissed. Probs thinking wtf he gonna do with Joyce

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64860 on: November 29, 2020, 12:10:43 am »
The corner should have pulled him out previous round or at least threw in the towel.

He has to.protect himself first and foremost but it is never a good look to fold at your first gut check.

Forgetting the quit talk for a minute, what does Dubois have at elite level. His power is not elite, nor is his speed, skill, jab, defence, stamina or footwork.

Frank is gonna have to build him up with proper tests if he is to advance him. I'm.not sure he comes back from.this properly

He's fighting better men than most British heavyweights have ever fought at his age. I agree that he hasn't got anything special after tonight but at 6 o clock I thought his power would have dealt with Joyce.


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« Reply #64861 on: November 29, 2020, 12:10:59 am »
Anytime after 4.  ;D


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« Reply #64862 on: November 29, 2020, 12:11:34 am »
One of the cards had Dubois 8 rounds up. 8.

one had DD 2 up and the other had JJ 2 up.
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« Reply #64863 on: November 29, 2020, 12:11:37 am »
Frank Warren was so pissed. Probs thinking wtf he gonna do with Joyce

Agree here, Joyce is too old, he can call Usyk out all he wants but it won't sell PPV

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« Reply #64864 on: November 29, 2020, 12:13:26 am »
The corner should have pulled him out previous round or at least threw in the towel.

He has to.protect himself first and foremost but it is never a good look to fold at your first gut check.

Forgetting the quit talk for a minute, what does Dubois have at elite level. His power is not elite, nor is his speed, skill, jab, defence, stamina or footwork.

Frank is gonna have to build him up with proper tests if he is to advance him. I'm.not sure he comes back from.this properly

I think what he has going for him is that he's young and is a heavyweight. If he gets managed right there are plenty of heavyweights that have made big money despite not being 'elite' just because it is the division that gets bums on seats/eyes on tellys.

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« Reply #64865 on: November 29, 2020, 12:15:33 am »
One of the cards had Dubois 8 rounds up. 8.

one had DD 2 up and the other had JJ 2 up.

I think Dubois with his bust up eye would have done a better job judging than whoever came up with that 8 round card. Bizarre.

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« Reply #64866 on: November 29, 2020, 12:16:23 am »
The eyes was so bad the Docs would've pulled him soon I feel. better to be safe and come back another day than do irreversible career damage.

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« Reply #64867 on: November 29, 2020, 12:18:38 am »
The eyes was so bad the Docs would've pulled him soon I feel. better to be safe and come back another day than do irreversible career damage.

He flapped it though Samie, come on...

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Re: Boxing thread
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64869 on: November 29, 2020, 12:22:04 am »
https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1332837988913582082

One judge had Dubois up by 8 rounds...
fuck me even Eddie would be ashamed at that

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« Reply #64870 on: November 29, 2020, 12:22:36 am »
He flapped it though Samie, come on...

Maybe mate but he carries on and he might be fucked for the rest of his life. Would anyone take that chance?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64872 on: November 29, 2020, 12:25:40 am »
My kind of judge...Corrupt as fuck.  ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64873 on: November 29, 2020, 12:42:23 am »
https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1332837988913582082

One judge had Dubois up by 8 rounds...

He wants to get down the hospital with Dubois & get his eyes checked out too.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64874 on: November 29, 2020, 12:58:28 am »
Any streams to Tyson v Jones?
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« Reply #64875 on: November 29, 2020, 01:15:20 am »
try these mate, Some streams start at 2 am though.  But that fight is much later.  :D

https://www.vipboxtv.se/boxing-stream

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« Reply #64876 on: November 29, 2020, 01:16:19 am »
try these mate, Some streams start at 2 am though.

https://www.vipboxtv.se/boxing-stream
Cool. Thanks
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« Reply #64877 on: November 29, 2020, 01:35:19 am »
He's an orthodox fighter, his left eye is his leading one, having heart when you can't see whats coming at you at heavyweight is bollocks and the sooner people move away from that attitude the better. Punches that hard can kill you, especially if you've got no way of avoiding then. He quite but he was right to quit because with 3 rounds to go he could have done a lot of extra damage to that eye.
That is ridiculous. You fight until you can’t anymore or the ref stops it. That’s fighting.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #64878 on: November 29, 2020, 02:36:00 am »
It wouldn't surprise me if Dubois had suffered eye socket damage.
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« Reply #64879 on: November 29, 2020, 02:54:15 am »
Better to quit on the knee and fight another day and not get totally fucked like brook hopefully.

Still raises questions for me not in the way it ended but his performance in general, stamina for one, his static non moving head.  Still very young and got time ahead of him, hopefully learns from this.

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