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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60840 on: August 18, 2019, 06:20:57 PM »
AJ is on a hiding to nothing having a pop at Lennox Lewis. Regardless if he's right or wrong.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60841 on: August 19, 2019, 08:16:38 AM »
Absolute nonsense from Joshua. There is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60842 on: August 19, 2019, 12:07:14 PM »
Absolute nonsense from Joshua. There is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60843 on: August 19, 2019, 01:52:02 PM »
I'm on Aj's side for this. Lennox has been digging him out for a good few years now.  Then trying to pass it off as constructive criticism.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60844 on: August 21, 2019, 06:50:56 PM »
Derevyanchenko to fight Golovkin on October 5 for IBF Middleweight title.

Looking forward to Yarde v Kovalev at the weekend.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60845 on: August 21, 2019, 07:00:58 PM »
Derevyanchenko to fight Golovkin on October 5 for IBF Middleweight title.

Looking forward to Yarde v Kovalev at the weekend.

So no Canelo V GGG 3 in September then which is good.

Yarde has a chance on Saturday

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60846 on: August 21, 2019, 11:18:03 PM »
So no Canelo V GGG 3 in September then which is good.

Yarde has a chance on Saturday
I strongly suspect that Yarde's record is a mirage. He is 28 years old, has little amateur experience and practically all of his 18 pro fights have been against puddings. Kovalev is on the slide but even at 75% of his best he wins this IMO. If he is ripe for the picking he could get done but I was impressed with him last time out. I also hear that Yarde doesn't use sparring partners nor does he do traditional roadwork. Seems like he is using his natural athleticism to get by. Yarde has been no further than 7 rounds in his career and only more than 5 once or twice. I wouldn't be surprised to see his tank empty and get stopped late to be honest.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60847 on: August 22, 2019, 12:11:20 PM »
Clash on the fucking Dunes  :lmao :lmao :lmao

Right up there with Thrilla in Manila and Rumble in the Jungle.  ;D

Wank name for a fight in a wank location.

Dukes on the Dunes would have been much better

Get used to this BTW, same thing will happen with the UFC (and Africa)

They're absolutely nuts about Jiujitsu in the UAE, Abu Dhabi has it's own World Championships that they take on tour and we will be going to in 2020 or the year after!



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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60848 on: August 22, 2019, 12:38:22 PM »
Absolute nonsense from Joshua. There is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing.

I'm not a big follower of boxing, I like the sport but don't watch a huge amount of fights so i'm not questioning the second part of your post, more looking to learn as im interested but is that really the case?

Could a fighter blindly throwing shots not catch someone? Would luck not be a large factor in SOME winning punches and are all shots measured ones?

The term is used a hell of a lot whenever I hear talk about past fights and although I do feel its an easy cop out (for the record I think this is the case with Joshuas comments on his loss) surely there is a such thing as a lucky punch in boxing, no? Again my knowledge of the sport is extremely limited and i'm simply looking to learn/be educated but couldn't a situation where you have a boxer who's completely exhausted and clearly losing, is simply trying not to give up and give all he can, ducking and just blindly throwing shots to stave off the threat of his opponent in the slim hope he might catch him with one stray shot... should he land one, would this not be considered a lucky shot as it cant really be described as a measured shot

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60849 on: August 22, 2019, 12:39:22 PM »
Throwback Thursday

The start of a little series looking back at some of the best fights and rivalries. If you have any suggestions, PM me and I will add them to the list.

I could have started with many fights and rivalries but in the spirit of our very own 'El Beefo' fighting in Mexico City this week, I am starting TBT with one of the best Mexican rivalries to ever take place in the squared circle - Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez. These were some of my favourite ever fights to watch and Rafa's brother, Juan Manuel will also feature soon!

Thanks to the power of the internet, the fights are available on YouTube and are well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen them.

These fights really define who both fighters were. They both won two each, fought each other in their prime in absolute wars and the two will always be intrinsically linked because of the rivalry, much like Gatti-Ward (a future TBT). The 2nd and 3rd fights won Ring Magazine Fight of the year awards and the first could have taken it easily too.

ESPN described them as 'the most entertaining fight series in recent boxing history' and I agree 100%

If you haven't seen them, congratulations, you're in for a massive fucking treat!

Fight 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLu21kh3jOE

Fight 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bW34s5vhaQ

Fight 3
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGhdQuvfO8

Fight 4 Part 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kaWedj4G2s

Fight 4 Part 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgDt9gwq90


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60850 on: August 22, 2019, 10:20:18 PM »
Dukes on the Dunes would have been much better

Get used to this BTW, same thing will happen with the UFC (and Africa)

They're absolutely nuts about Jiujitsu in the UAE, Abu Dhabi has it's own World Championships that they take on tour and we will be going to in 2020 or the year after!
I was thinking Duel on the Dunes myself. Or the catchier 'slave owners trying to legitimise themselves in the West by hosting big sports events.'

I'm not a big follower of boxing, I like the sport but don't watch a huge amount of fights so i'm not questioning the second part of your post, more looking to learn as im interested but is that really the case?

Could a fighter blindly throwing shots not catch someone? Would luck not be a large factor in SOME winning punches and are all shots measured ones?

The term is used a hell of a lot whenever I hear talk about past fights and although I do feel its an easy cop out (for the record I think this is the case with Joshuas comments on his loss) surely there is a such thing as a lucky punch in boxing, no? Again my knowledge of the sport is extremely limited and i'm simply looking to learn/be educated but couldn't a situation where you have a boxer who's completely exhausted and clearly losing, is simply trying not to give up and give all he can, ducking and just blindly throwing shots to stave off the threat of his opponent in the slim hope he might catch him with one stray shot... should he land one, would this not be considered a lucky shot as it cant really be described as a measured shot
I've seen a few 'lucky' punches in my time. Audley Harrison against Michael Sprott II comes to mind. It seldom happens when good fighters clash because their skill level doesnt allow 'lucky' punches to land, and big bombs are often a case of planning. Froch vs Groves II and Martinez vs Williams II are two instances of fighters laying 'traps' and then catching opponents with monster punches.

Throwback Thursday

The start of a little series looking back at some of the best fights and rivalries. If you have any suggestions, PM me and I will add them to the list.

I could have started with many fights and rivalries but in the spirit of our very own 'El Beefo' fighting in Mexico City this week, I am starting TBT with one of the best Mexican rivalries to ever take place in the squared circle - Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez. These were some of my favourite ever fights to watch and Rafa's brother, Juan Manuel will also feature soon!

Thanks to the power of the internet, the fights are available on YouTube and are well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen them.

These fights really define who both fighters were. They both won two each, fought each other in their prime in absolute wars and the two will always be intrinsically linked because of the rivalry, much like Gatti-Ward (a future TBT). The 2nd and 3rd fights won Ring Magazine Fight of the year awards and the first could have taken it easily too.

ESPN described them as 'the most entertaining fight series in recent boxing history' and I agree 100%

If you haven't seen them, congratulations, you're in for a massive fucking treat!

Fight 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLu21kh3jOE

Fight 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bW34s5vhaQ

Fight 3
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGhdQuvfO8

Fight 4 Part 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kaWedj4G2s

Fight 4 Part 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgDt9gwq90


Ward vs Gatti obviously  :lickin

Barrera vs Morales is another killer. The first fight remains the best I've ever seen live. Pacman vs Marquez aren't bad either, although you've picked arguably the king of all rivalries!

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60851 on: August 23, 2019, 09:39:52 AM »

I've seen a few 'lucky' punches in my time. Audley Harrison against Michael Sprott II comes to mind. It seldom happens when good fighters clash because their skill level doesnt allow 'lucky' punches to land, and big bombs are often a case of planning. Froch vs Groves II and Martinez vs Williams II are two instances of fighters laying 'traps' and then catching opponents with monster punches.


This was more the impression i got from the fights i've watched, that they do exist but they aren't a common occurence and the likelihood of them in fights between two skilled and high quality fighters is significantly lower

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« Reply #60852 on: August 23, 2019, 10:02:34 AM »
Throwback Thursday

To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever sat down and watched all these from start to finish.  Difficult to remember because you see highlights pop up from time to time, but I can't remember watching them at the time.  I'm going to tuck into them at the weekend.

Great idea, and good pick.  Other good ones have been mentioned, JMM v Pacquaio is my favourite just for the narrative of all the questionable decisions and then the completely decisive ending (which I also made a few quid on!).  Feels like you could just keep going with smaller weights from around 2000-2010 and keep coming up with good stuff.  JMM, Morales, MAB, Pacquaio, Gatti, Ward, what a time.

Wouldn't mind looking at some of the 90s heavyweights again just because I was a bit young to appreciate it at the time.  Something like Holyfield/Bowe would be good to watch again.  Good stuff with the middleweights in that era too.

Of course the series we're all thinking of but is too obvious to mention is Audley Harrison's campaigns at heavyweight in the mid naughties.  Rogan, Sprott, and the great trilogy that never was with Williams.  The scourge of doormen and cab drivers up and down the country.  What a time to be alive.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60853 on: August 23, 2019, 03:33:33 PM »
Harrison is next  8) ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60854 on: August 23, 2019, 03:43:23 PM »
Reckon McCall's KO of Lewis was a lucky punch. I'm pretty sure his eyes were shut when he threw that

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60855 on: August 23, 2019, 03:48:12 PM »
A lot of people say Danny Garcia's first knockdown of Amir Khan was a fluke too since he had his eyes closed, looked down and the shot landed on the neck.

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« Reply #60856 on: August 23, 2019, 04:13:04 PM »
A lot of people say Danny Garcia's first knockdown of Amir Khan was a fluke too since he had his eyes closed, looked down and the shot landed on the neck.

Amir Khan walking on to a left hook is never a fluke ;D  He can't help himself!

What about one of Andy Lee's sucker punches?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60857 on: August 23, 2019, 04:18:57 PM »
No such thing as a lucky punch in boxing.

One of the most devastating kos I've ever seen was Martinez v Williams. Martinez separated his soul from his body with a punch when he was looking the other way. Was that lucky? Was it fcuk!

Garcia has missed Khan by whiskers before he nailed him, he just timed the brainless Khan who was way too emotional on the day

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60858 on: August 23, 2019, 04:28:52 PM »
Harrison is next  8) ;D

Scott or Audley  ;)

Corrales vs. Casamayor was pretty good.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60859 on: August 23, 2019, 05:10:40 PM »
I have the first 2 fights of Barrera v Morales trilogy as my favourite fights.

Ward and Gotti was good trilogy, Gotti was one of my fav fighters of all time, but that Mexican slug fest edges it.

Holyfield and Bowe was a great trilogy as well.



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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60860 on: August 23, 2019, 05:30:31 PM »
That Izzy-Rafa rivalry was amazing, and rare in that it had stoppages of both fighters. That was when I was bang into boxing, I'm completely out of the game now

The first two Pac-Morales fights were superb, Erik was washed up by the third

Corrales' first with JLC was my all-time favourite

Great era of boxing from 126 to 135 that

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60861 on: August 23, 2019, 08:12:36 PM »
I'm not a big follower of boxing, I like the sport but don't watch a huge amount of fights so i'm not questioning the second part of your post, more looking to learn as im interested but is that really the case?

Could a fighter blindly throwing shots not catch someone? Would luck not be a large factor in SOME winning punches and are all shots measured ones?

The term is used a hell of a lot whenever I hear talk about past fights and although I do feel its an easy cop out (for the record I think this is the case with Joshuas comments on his loss) surely there is a such thing as a lucky punch in boxing, no? Again my knowledge of the sport is extremely limited and i'm simply looking to learn/be educated but couldn't a situation where you have a boxer who's completely exhausted and clearly losing, is simply trying not to give up and give all he can, ducking and just blindly throwing shots to stave off the threat of his opponent in the slim hope he might catch him with one stray shot... should he land one, would this not be considered a lucky shot as it cant really be described as a measured shot

I don't think you can get a lucky KO punch. But I do think you can get a lucky lead up to a knockout. The Harrison v Sprott fight mentioned above was the one that came immediately to mind - Audley was getting battered , was just throwing for the fences and got lucky in getting one through. But he still had to finish it off - the KO itself wasn't luck.


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60862 on: August 23, 2019, 09:27:31 PM »
Nice one lads, just trying to get some interest back in the thread that doesn’t revolve around Khan and Brook or what AJ had for dinner

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Re: Boxing thread
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60864 on: August 23, 2019, 10:00:15 PM »
What do you guys think for tomorrow? I'm worried that Yarde is going to get an absolute pasting!

How many fighters have gone from Latvians to current world champions successfully? Kovalev isn't what he was but his last fight he pissed it against the guy that stopped him previously

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60865 on: August 23, 2019, 10:02:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/boxingforali/status/1164984911545229312?s=21

Nightmare all round if this is true.

Andy Ruiz is mad. This is a slam dunk case for Matchroom surely

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« Reply #60866 on: August 23, 2019, 10:05:45 PM »
https://twitter.com/boxingforali/status/1164984911545229312?s=21

Nightmare all round if this is true.

So he hasn't signed the rematch?

Joshua and Hearn are not going to risk the belts being split. The fight will happen.

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« Reply #60867 on: August 23, 2019, 10:06:30 PM »
What do you guys think for tomorrow? I'm worried that Yarde is going to get an absolute pasting!

How many fighters have gone from Latvians to current world champions successfully? Kovalev isn't what he was but his last fight he pissed it against the guy that stopped him previously

Think Yarde can do it myself

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60868 on: August 23, 2019, 10:35:40 PM »
What do you guys think for tomorrow? I'm worried that Yarde is going to get an absolute pasting!

How many fighters have gone from Latvians to current world champions successfully? Kovalev isn't what he was but his last fight he pissed it against the guy that stopped him previously

Don't think I've seen anything from Yarde yet to convince me to back him. Kovalev is Jekyll and Hyde though so anything could happen.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60869 on: August 23, 2019, 11:22:54 PM »
What do you guys think for tomorrow? I'm worried that Yarde is going to get an absolute pasting!

How many fighters have gone from Latvians to current world champions successfully? Kovalev isn't what he was but his last fight he pissed it against the guy that stopped him previously

I think it's a case of the 2 cliches:

Is Boxing really about levels or has Yarde picked Kovalev at the right time. I'll go for the latter.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60870 on: August 24, 2019, 12:29:40 AM »
What do you guys think for tomorrow? I'm worried that Yarde is going to get an absolute pasting!

How many fighters have gone from Latvians to current world champions successfully? Kovalev isn't what he was but his last fight he pissed it against the guy that stopped him previously

On paper I'm expecting Kovalev to drag Yarde around the ring for 8 rounds and then either close out a points win or knock him out late.

'Not on paper' who knows what will happen. Yarde is a completely unknown quantity at this level.   

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60871 on: August 24, 2019, 01:46:14 AM »
Throwback Thursday

The start of a little series looking back at some of the best fights and rivalries. If you have any suggestions, PM me and I will add them to the list.

I could have started with many fights and rivalries but in the spirit of our very own 'El Beefo' fighting in Mexico City this week, I am starting TBT with one of the best Mexican rivalries to ever take place in the squared circle - Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez. These were some of my favourite ever fights to watch and Rafa's brother, Juan Manuel will also feature soon!

Thanks to the power of the internet, the fights are available on YouTube and are well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen them.

These fights really define who both fighters were. They both won two each, fought each other in their prime in absolute wars and the two will always be intrinsically linked because of the rivalry, much like Gatti-Ward (a future TBT). The 2nd and 3rd fights won Ring Magazine Fight of the year awards and the first could have taken it easily too.

ESPN described them as 'the most entertaining fight series in recent boxing history' and I agree 100%

If you haven't seen them, congratulations, you're in for a massive fucking treat!

Fight 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/VLu21kh3jOE</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLu21kh3jOE

Fight 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/4bW34s5vhaQ</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bW34s5vhaQ

Fight 3
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/DmGhdQuvfO8</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGhdQuvfO8

Fight 4 Part 1
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/_kaWedj4G2s</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kaWedj4G2s

Fight 4 Part 2
<a href="https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtube.com/v/KHgDt9gwq90</a>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgDt9gwq90



If you want a few older ones

Arguello-Pryor 1 or 2. First fight definitely the better but both good.
Bobby Chacon v Bazooka Limon 4 is fairly brutal
Wilfredo Gomez v Lupe Pintor
Salvador Sanchez v Danny Lopez

Almost any Gatti fight. He was in so many wars. Gabe Ruelas and Wilson Rodriguez are two of the better earlier ones.
Agree with the shout for Corrales v Castillo - first fight an all time great

Oh and the first Barrera v Morales. Thought Barrera won myself
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60872 on: August 24, 2019, 06:26:37 AM »
I don't think you can get a lucky KO punch. But I do think you can get a lucky lead up to a knockout. The Harrison v Sprott fight mentioned above was the one that came immediately to mind - Audley was getting battered , was just throwing for the fences and got lucky in getting one through. But he still had to finish it off - the KO itself wasn't luck.



Interesting that, and leads me to ask.. where do you draw the line? What seperates a lucky punch in the lead up to a KO from a KO shot that some would consider lucky. Why can one be lucky and the other not?

I do find it mad with all the talk of people throwing blind shots, not even looking when throwing punches some feel there's no such thing as a lucky punch, surely that is the very definition, no? Also, in all the fights there have been, i'm sure there's at least a handful of boxers that look back on some of the shots they themselves have thrown in some of their many fights that have described shots they've thrown and landed as lucky

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60873 on: August 24, 2019, 08:19:02 AM »
I think it's more to do with timing rather than luck. Two classic examples, firstly McGregor vs Aldo in the UFC. That left hook had absolutely no right to KO Aldo but the timing was especially perfect because Aldo had just throw a left hook himself and was open to attack. Second example is Pacquaio v Marquez. Again, that punch I really did not expect to lay Pacman out cold like that but the timing was spot on. Pacquiao lunged in all guns blazing, left himself wide open and the punch put him down perfectly.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60874 on: August 24, 2019, 08:49:17 AM »
I think most of these examples of lucky punches still require the other guy to walk on to them.  So, you can say it's lucky from the winner's perspective, but the loser can't claim bad luck if they walk onto something wild.

That's especially true in Joshua's case which started all this.  Even more because he has a history of getting caught on the way in when he has someone hurt.  Ruiz might have been lucky, but Joshua wasn't unlucky.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60875 on: August 24, 2019, 10:35:32 AM »
Nice one lads, just trying to get some interest back in the thread that doesn’t revolve around Khan and Brook or what AJ had for dinner

I know what you mean.  I'd rather post about the great fights of the (not so distant) past, compared to the somewhat tedious stuff that mostly gets talked about on here. 

Current boxing is just a bit of a yawn for me.

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In regards to "modern" rivalries, it's hard to look past the greats that have been mentioned already: Marquez brothers, Barrera, Morales, Corrales, Casamayor etc.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60876 on: August 24, 2019, 05:49:42 PM »
frank said the walkout is shortly after Liverpool-arsenal match. Has anyone got some early streams? Cannot miss this one obviously

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60878 on: August 24, 2019, 07:35:23 PM »
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #60879 on: August 24, 2019, 07:37:10 PM »
This ring walk is ridiculous