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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59600 on: February 12, 2019, 07:05:05 PM »
Whyte v Breazeale on the orders of the WBC
I can't stand Whyte but he has done more than enough to get a world title shot at this point. He should win this but it's a pain in the arse fight.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59601 on: February 12, 2019, 07:52:57 PM »
I can't stand Whyte but he has done more than enough to get a world title shot at this point. He should win this but it's a pain in the arse fight.

He was just offered one to be fair.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59602 on: February 13, 2019, 02:24:58 PM »


Here's the Maltese champion on his way to Vegas to defend his belt...

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59603 on: February 13, 2019, 03:01:12 PM »
AJ vs Miller confirmed for MSG on 1st June

Meh

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59604 on: February 13, 2019, 03:09:34 PM »
AJ vs Miller confirmed for MSG on 1st June

Meh
Utter shite and he's gona kill his UK fanbase if he keeps this shit up. PPV numbers for this will be trash
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59605 on: February 13, 2019, 03:17:53 PM »
Utter shite and he's gona kill his UK fanbase if he keeps this shit up. PPV numbers for this will be trash

What else was he supposed to do?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59606 on: February 13, 2019, 03:19:33 PM »
He has to fight somebody.  I mean WBC have ordered immediate rematch for Wilder/Fury 2 so there's slim pickings. I mean who you want from the rest? because everyone want's him to fight Wilder or Fury. 

Ortiz? Pulev? maybe then the rest he's beaten them anyway.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59607 on: February 13, 2019, 03:23:51 PM »
Yeah thats why I'm meh to it. Just a shame they couldn't make a Wembley fight happen. MSG is a tiny arena (small arena means high ticket prices). What does MSG do for the boxing? 20k seats? By the time that fight rolls round there has to be some sort of plan in place for him to fight Wilder or Fury.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59608 on: February 13, 2019, 03:26:40 PM »
I think there's every chance Fury and Wilder keep each other busy for the rest of the year so don't hold your breath.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59609 on: February 13, 2019, 03:26:57 PM »
I don't really get the negative reaction to this.

With Fury-Wilder having the rematch, the only fight out there was Whyte who wanted to be paid as equal by the look of things.

Makes sense to fight in the States now to boost his profile ahead of a possible fight against the winner of Fury-Wilder afterwards.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59610 on: February 13, 2019, 03:28:46 PM »
I mean it's MSG. Other than Vegas (MGM/Mandalay Bay) this is it in the US.  So of course he'd want to tick off this on his bucket list.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59611 on: February 13, 2019, 03:41:45 PM »
I don't see what he could do. Whyte is confused as to his value and doesn't really want that smoke now that he is a PPV fighter in his own right. With one more loss to AJ, especially with it being brutal, he is back to Saturday Night Sky fights

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59612 on: February 13, 2019, 03:45:17 PM »
Unless the undercard is class PPV for this is some bullshit

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59613 on: February 13, 2019, 04:04:34 PM »
I don't really get the negative reaction to this.

With Fury-Wilder having the rematch, the only fight out there was Whyte who wanted to be paid as equal by the look of things.

Makes sense to fight in the States now to boost his profile ahead of a possible fight against the winner of Fury-Wilder afterwards.
He shouldn't have promised Whyte he was next in line live on PPV then.

Instead he's fighting bum in new york chasing the US market which won't be there once Fury finishes wilder off. Whilst he is running around pretending this is a legimate match up, most peoples interest will be on Fury-Wilder 2.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59614 on: February 13, 2019, 04:05:26 PM »
He has to fight somebody.  I mean WBC have ordered immediate rematch for Wilder/Fury 2 so there's slim pickings. I mean who you want from the rest? because everyone want's him to fight Wilder or Fury. 

Ortiz? Pulev? maybe then the rest he's beaten them anyway.
Ortiz and Pulev would both be much better fights then baby miller
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59615 on: February 13, 2019, 04:09:58 PM »
Miller's got a shot against AJ.








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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59616 on: February 13, 2019, 04:40:37 PM »
He shouldn't have promised Whyte he was next in line live on PPV then.

Instead he's fighting bum in new york chasing the US market which won't be there once Fury finishes wilder off. Whilst he is running around pretending this is a legimate match up, most peoples interest will be on Fury-Wilder 2.

Whyte doesn't want it. And if you think Pulev or Ortiz are somehow better options then I really don't know what to tell you.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59617 on: February 13, 2019, 04:50:01 PM »
Whyte doesn't want it. And if you think Pulev or Ortiz are somehow better options then I really don't know what to tell you.
Of course he doesn't  ::)

Pulev and Ortiz are both much better fights than fighting this chump even if they are both over the hill. What has miller done, ever?
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59618 on: February 13, 2019, 04:58:14 PM »
Of course he doesn't  ::)

Pulev and Ortiz are both much better fights than fighting this chump even if they are both over the hill. What has miller done, ever?
Which one of these would have sold out the MSG? He wants to fight in the US and so he is fighting the second best US fighter. Don't really get the negativity.


He offered all the other contenders a deal but they didn't want it. What else is he meant to do? His resume is still better than Wilders and he has had 20 fights less. People talk like he has been fighting bums but he fought a unification fight last year and one of the top 5 heavyweights in the world.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59619 on: February 13, 2019, 05:15:50 PM »
Of course Whyte wanted it; certainly more than the opposing side did. The terms AJ offered were once more ridiculous.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59620 on: February 13, 2019, 05:18:16 PM »
Of course he doesn't  ::)

Pulev and Ortiz are both much better fights than fighting this chump even if they are both over the hill. What has miller done, ever?

So Joshua is ducking a man who is already part of his KO highlight reel?

If Eddie Hearn paid a bunch of scientists to genetically engineer the perfect opponent for AJ I doubt they could come up with something better than Pulev. And even if Ortiz didn't already have a fight, I don't know what you think his big achievement is? Although pursuing a professional boxing career at his age is impressive enough I suppose.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59621 on: February 13, 2019, 05:34:10 PM »
Of course Whyte wanted it; certainly more than the opposing side did. The terms AJ offered were once more ridiculous.
How are the terms ridiculous? He offered all of them at least 100% more than they can earn elsewhere. Wilder's biggest pay day is about £5m. He was offering him 40% which is about 30-40m.

And why would AJ want to duck Whyte when he has already convincingly beat him?



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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59622 on: February 13, 2019, 06:04:33 PM »
How are the terms ridiculous? He offered all of them at least 100% more than they can earn elsewhere. Wilder's biggest pay day is about £5m. He was offering him 40% which is about 30-40m.

And why would AJ want to duck Whyte when he has already convincingly beat him?


I dont think the fight is worth that much but what we do know is that Wilder's guarantee for Fury foight was 'only' $4m with the rest coming from PPV. He could easily earn minimum $10m guarantee before PPV with AJ.

AJ shouldn't be fighting Whyte unless he is mandated to. It wasnt even a close fight. It's lose lose from AJ as far as I can see unless Whyte collects the WBC

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59623 on: February 13, 2019, 06:14:14 PM »
How are the terms ridiculous? He offered all of them at least 100% more than they can earn elsewhere. Wilder's biggest pay day is about £5m. He was offering him 40% which is about 30-40m.

And why would AJ want to duck Whyte when he has already convincingly beat him?




Isn't Fury's cut 20m for the rematch? That makes Wilder's about 30m. If that's true then there's no sense in an AJ match for either of them.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59624 on: February 13, 2019, 06:17:34 PM »
Isn't Fury's cut 20m for the rematch? That makes Wilder's about 30m. If that's true then there's no sense in an AJ match for either of them.

I suspect those figures are fake news.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59625 on: February 13, 2019, 07:39:50 PM »
Don't get the negative reaction to this, was there this much outrage when Mayweather fought Guerrero or Berto? He needs to dip his toes in the US market and Miller with his big mouth is the perfect dance partner. Add the worlds most famous arena and you've got a guaranteed sellout. Fighting Whyte at Wembley made senso but this makes more sense imo. Still think he'll fight Wilder or Fury by this time next year. Joshua v Wilder at this point is like Mayweather v Pacquiao. Will do huge number regardless of where it is.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59626 on: February 13, 2019, 07:48:41 PM »
Tottenham are playing homeon 13th April and I wouldn't think FA would move the date for something like boxing. I wonder if April 13th has been dead for a while

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59627 on: February 13, 2019, 07:53:56 PM »
I suspect those figures are fake news.

All depends on ppv sales I guess, although it's reported Fury got 7m+ for the first fight and the WBC have ordered a 60/40 split for the rematch. My point is that Hearn is offering maybe 10% of the purse to any challenger which will probably keep Miller in donuts for a few months but wont tempt the top guys.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59628 on: February 13, 2019, 10:09:06 PM »
Of course he doesn't  ::)

Pulev and Ortiz are both much better fights than fighting this chump even if they are both over the hill. What has miller done, ever?
Ortiz is a tough cookie but is 50+ years of age I reckon. He couldn't get it done against Wilder and isn't a fighter that will 'excite' the casuals. Pulev is a solid fighter but is tailor-made for AJ stylewise.
Miller has a mouth almost as big as his appetite, throws lots of punches and will go in there legitimately looking for a KO. He will get flattened but it will be fun while it lasts (max of 5 rounds most likely). Most of all, he will do his bit to sell the fight and after AJ wins via spectacular KO, he will get a little traction in the US.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59629 on: February 14, 2019, 10:11:29 AM »
Then if Wilder beats Fury in the rematch it'll be AJ v Wilder in eithrr Vegas or Cardiff in the autumn I reckon, most likely being Vegas. This is a set up fight for AJ and it's a good one.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59630 on: February 14, 2019, 01:29:13 PM »
Then if Wilder beats Fury in the rematch it'll be AJ v Wilder in eithrr Vegas or Cardiff in the autumn I reckon, most likely being Vegas. This is a set up fight for AJ and it's a good one.

That's a big 'if' though, I could see Fury winning this time.  Then wilder will get a rematch so we'll have to wait a while.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59631 on: February 14, 2019, 02:13:42 PM »
Thought Whyte makes more sense for them from a money perspective, would be AJ vs Whyte II and the marketing campaign would be on overdrive, think they’d easily sell most of Wembley and decent PPV numbers.

Fair enough though, wants to fight in MSG can’t fault him for that. I don’t think Fury/Wilder will happen for a 3rd consecutive time so winner gets AJ.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59632 on: February 14, 2019, 03:56:00 PM »
If Fury wins then Fury/Wilder 3 is on. There's no way Wilder doesn't go for the rematch to get his belt back.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59633 on: February 15, 2019, 08:39:33 AM »
How are the terms ridiculous? He offered all of them at least 100% more than they can earn elsewhere. Wilder's biggest pay day is about £5m. He was offering him 40% which is about 30-40m.

And why would AJ want to duck Whyte when he has already convincingly beat him?

Whyte has cited issues with him still being the B side in the event of a rematch, even if he won. This was the main sticking point as well as AJ's side giving him only 12 weeks to prepare for the fight.

Whyte's a different proposition to what he was when they first fought. Much more accomplished and physically robust. I think he can give AJ a run for his money and so without a belt it's likely they don't want it.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59634 on: February 15, 2019, 09:39:11 AM »
Tottenham are playing homeon 13th April and I wouldn't think FA would move the date for something like boxing. I wonder if April 13th has been dead for a while

I wonder if the Joshua camp were given a way of not fighting at Wembley without penalty. There’s Champions League the following week. So whatever jiggery pokery was done with next weeks fixture announcements for April, it still could have involved Spurs playing on the Friday or Sunday beforehand and potentially not knowing until the CL draw on 15 March.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59635 on: February 15, 2019, 09:59:33 AM »
Whyte has cited issues with him still being the B side in the event of a rematch, even if he won. This was the main sticking point as well as AJ's side giving him only 12 weeks to prepare for the fight.

Whyte's a different proposition to what he was when they first fought. Much more accomplished and physically robust. I think he can give AJ a run for his money and so without a belt it's likely they don't want it.

He was out on his feet against Parker in the final round, and was only saved by the bell, and the ref not stopping it.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59636 on: February 15, 2019, 10:15:48 AM »
Whyte has cited issues with him still being the B side in the event of a rematch, even if he won. This was the main sticking point as well as AJ's side giving him only 12 weeks to prepare for the fight.

Whyte's a different proposition to what he was when they first fought. Much more accomplished and physically robust. I think he can give AJ a run for his money and so without a belt it's likely they don't want it.

AJ was a relative novice when they first fought. As much as Whyte has stepped up, Joshua has stepped up much more. And Whyte was fortunate against Parker and the first time against Chisora.

I'd have liked to see Whyte against Wilder, but I don't think anyone in the Joshua camp would be arsed about fighting him again.

12 weeks to prepare is fine though? Normal training camps are about 8 weeks aren't they?  He's been in with him before and it's not like AJ is a tricky southpaw or something.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59637 on: February 15, 2019, 10:44:40 AM »
Isn't Fury's cut 20m for the rematch? That makes Wilder's about 30m. If that's true then there's no sense in an AJ match for either of them.
It is believed that Wilder stands to earn $14 million (£10.94m) for the December 1 showdown while Fury is expected to pocket $10m (£7.82m).

The above is what they earned in the first fight. No way their earnings double in a second fight.

Just seen the state of WBA rankings. Davis just got switched with the Super champion without needing him to fight him. Also they have 4 cruiserweight champions including a gold champion.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59638 on: February 15, 2019, 11:13:32 AM »

Just seen the state of WBA rankings. Davis just got switched with the Super champion without needing him to fight him. Also they have 4 cruiserweight champions including a gold champion.


Last time I looked they were still recognising Lebedev as a 'Champion in recess' so they might be up to 5 now!

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59639 on: February 15, 2019, 12:27:09 PM »
AJ was a relative novice when they first fought. As much as Whyte has stepped up, Joshua has stepped up much more. And Whyte was fortunate against Parker and the first time against Chisora.

I'd have liked to see Whyte against Wilder, but I don't think anyone in the Joshua camp would be arsed about fighting him again.

12 weeks to prepare is fine though? Normal training camps are about 8 weeks aren't they?  He's been in with him before and it's not like AJ is a tricky southpaw or something.

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To the guy that said Whyte was offered 30 mill, where'd you pull that from? Whyte was offered a 15% cut as he has said.