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Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9920 on:** December 5, 2022, 05:46:54 pm »

He'll be a huge loss for the Astros.

skipper757 · « **Reply #9921 on:** December 5, 2022, 08:59:55 pm »

Massive deal for Trea Turner to Philadelphia. Wow.

skipper757 · « **Reply #9922 on:** December 7, 2022, 01:59:24 am »

1-year prove it deal for Cody Bellinger ($17.5 million) to the Cubs. Big chance for him.

On Trea Turner, supposedly the Padres offered significantly more. Damn it, Trea! NL East getting more difficult.

And baseball reporter Jon Heyman clowning around on Judge.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/aaron-judge-arson-jon-heyman-typo-tweet-reaction-meme-mlb-twitter-free-agency

First he tweeted that "Arson Judge" is going to the Giants. Then the retraction

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman
Giants say they have not heard on Aaron Judge, My apologies for jumping the gun.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9923 on:** December 7, 2022, 01:29:40 pm »

Aaron Judge resigning with the Yankees.

Source confirms: Aaron Judge in agreement with Yankees, nine years, $360M. First:
@JonMorosi

Sources: Aaron Judge is in agreement with the #Yankees.
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1600480262072123392?s

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9924 on:** December 7, 2022, 04:46:47 pm »

Horrible contract, I'd rather he'd gone somewhere else.

Stanton's is already looking ugly and Judge has had two injury hit seasons.

Big Guy that he is and about to hit his 30's.

Hate this era of Cashman just wanting sluggers in a lineup, Astros and Braves have shown the way and Cashman is to blind to see.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9925 on:** December 7, 2022, 05:29:59 pm »

Yep, I would despise this contract. Paying a near 30 year old outfielder not named Mike Trout that kind of money is wrong. Outfielders that slug are 10 a penny. Long balls aren’t everything.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9926 on:** December 7, 2022, 05:34:53 pm »

Long ball is everything to the yankees it seems, in that shite ballpark of theres that is like a little league field.

PatriotScouser · « **Reply #9927 on:** December 7, 2022, 05:38:16 pm »

He's worth every penny of the contract.........to the Yankees. As they want attractions at Yankee Stadium. All style no substance.

Though I can't speak as a Red Sox supporter - we are appalling and will be appalling next year.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9928 on:** December 8, 2022, 10:48:52 am »

11 year deal from Padres for Bogaerts. $280m for a 30 year old shortstop. It’s like these GMs started watching baseball yesterday and never saw all these kind of deals go tits up. Why would you want a shortstop until he’s 41. Braindead stuff, it really is. The second half of this contract will look horrendous when he’s parked at 1B and doesn’t have enough pop to justify it.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9929 on:** December 8, 2022, 11:34:04 am »

Madness that deal.

Baseball is like the early 00's again when Arod got that crazy $252 million deal with the Rangers, there was some horrible contracts around that time and it's happening again.

Should only be starting pitchers who are durable workhorse bonafide aces that should be getting big annual salaries in their late 30's, Hitters start losing bat speed in early 30s, Pitchers never lose much in their 30's, the great ones develop new pitches and add off speed stuff that makes them better.

Judge, Stanton, Seager, Heyward, Renden Hosmer, Betts and Strasburg are just gut wrenching horrible contracts right now.

Verlander and Scherzer are well worth paying 35-40 million a year at their age.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9930 on:** December 8, 2022, 01:02:40 pm »

Red Sox fans are fuming with John Henry I see

skipper757 · « **Reply #9931 on:** December 8, 2022, 01:48:41 pm »

If owners in these non-traditional big markets want to spend, let them.

These guys sit on a cash cow and it's better they spend it on the team rather than doing nothing (Looking at you, Pittsburgh).

The AAVs in these contracts aren't terrible if the team is willing to put up with it. $25 million a year in an over the hill player isn't a big deal if they team is willing to spend generally. The Dodgers had a $280 million payroll, the league average is $151 million, and the Orioles in last had a $45 million payroll. The Bogaerts contract on a AAV basis is the difference between Atlanta and St. Louis in terms of payroll (which isn't that remarkable).

The only problem is if the owner pulls the plug on the spending as they're way over budget, and they don't win the World Series. Then, you end up with Machado opting out next year. Soto should wait for FA (and the Padres gave up their top prospects for him). Could be a problem if the Padres go from near a league high in payroll back to league average.

But ultimately, if the owners want to spend, a couple of major contracts into players late into their careers isn't a huge problem, particularly if you can also develop your own talent well.

I will say, the days of a salary cap and salary floor like in the NFL are a long, long away off. That's for sure.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9932 on:** December 9, 2022, 10:14:31 am »

As things stand unless the Mets shed salary somewhere they’re on the hook for $398m next year when tax is accounted for. Stupid stuff.

Boston always unofficial · « **Reply #9933 on:** December 9, 2022, 04:38:11 pm »

Quote from: I'll Have A Glas Christmas Without You on December 8, 2022, 01:02:40 pm

Red Sox fans are fuming with John Henry I see

Are they? Most of the folks i know that would class themselves fans don't get to worked over the off season trades.John Henry does seem to generate more anti-stuff from the local media types than the other Boston franchise owners so that might be it.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9934 on:** December 11, 2022, 07:55:49 am »

Steve Cohen keeps on spending

Kodai Senga to the Mets on a 5 year deal.

skipper757 · « **Reply #9935 on:** December 11, 2022, 03:01:32 pm »

Cohen's plan was to spend a lot upfront to keep the Mets competitive while building up all areas of operation and player development?

So some big deals and long-term ones but some high-cost short term ones as well that won't be an issue a few years down the line (e.g. Verlander and Scherzer). Should be more reasonable in a few years assuming player development goes as planned.

ShatnersBassoon · « **Reply #9936 on:** December 12, 2022, 10:05:43 pm »

Bassitt to blue jays on a not too bad deal compared to some of the crazy contracts being handed out.

should be a good innings eater at least after all the kikuchi/ berrios blow ups

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9937 on:** December 12, 2022, 10:15:09 pm »

Quote from: ShatnersBassoon on December 12, 2022, 10:05:43 pm

Bassitt to blue jays on a not too bad deal compared to some of the crazy contracts being handed out.

should be a good innings eater at least after all the kikuchi/ berrios blow ups

Be interesting to see how he adjusts to the pitch clock! He is excruciating, as he has about 7 different pitches and in NY could not get on the same page as the catcher half the time!

Maybe Toronto will be a better personal fit too, he struggled a bit with New York from a spotlight/pressure perspective, but he was still a good pitcher for the most part, and yes, should give a team some steady starts.

ShatnersBassoon · « **Reply #9938 on:** December 12, 2022, 11:04:38 pm »

Quote from: I'll Have A Glas Christmas Without You on December 12, 2022, 10:15:09 pm

Be interesting to see how he adjusts to the pitch clock! He is excruciating, as he has about 7 different pitches and in NY could not get on the same page as the catcher half the time!

Maybe Toronto will be a better personal fit too, he struggled a bit with New York from a spotlight/pressure perspective, but he was still a good pitcher for the most part, and yes, should give a team some steady starts.

yeah he shakes off a lot of catcher suggestions!

probably will be better off keeping Jansen in the impending catcher trade thatll happen

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9939 on:** December 13, 2022, 12:17:47 pm »

These Yankees Tatis Jr rumours won't go away.

Hope it's a load of BS, the Guy will not be in Baseball within 5 years, PEDS, his stupid fascination with riding motorbikes in the off season that already derailed the first half of the season.

He makes Manny Ramirez look like an model pro, take a big swerve Hal and sign Carlos Correa instead.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9940 on:** December 14, 2022, 05:37:57 am »

13 years 350m for Correa from the Giants. These are some Humungous contracts being dished out. Feels very risky for Correa because he has a history of a lot of injuries and he doesn’t have major pop even at this age.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9941 on:** December 14, 2022, 10:20:42 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on December 14, 2022, 05:37:57 am

13 years 350m for Correa from the Giants. These are some Humungous contracts being dished out. Feels very risky for Correa because he has a history of a lot of injuries and he doesn’t have major pop even at this age.

Wow, his solitary year at the Twins wasn't that great.

Guessing that was Judge money they had set aside, what a crazy winter in Baseball.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #9942 on:** December 14, 2022, 11:26:54 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on December 14, 2022, 05:37:57 am

13 years 350m for Correa from the Giants. These are some Humungous contracts being dished out. Feels very risky for Correa because he has a history of a lot of injuries and he doesn’t have major pop even at this age.

Crazy money for him.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9943 on:** December 21, 2022, 09:14:22 am »

Steve Cohen is wild

Now Carlos Correa to the Metsies on some insane deal.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9944 on:** December 21, 2022, 12:57:40 pm »

I thought they found a health issue, I'm guessing the Giants ownership were waking up in cold sweats at that crazy contract and that was the health issue.

Cohen spending like Abramovich 03-07.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9945 on:** December 21, 2022, 12:58:35 pm »

Giants probably realised they were making a stupid decision and wanted a get out. The get out was the Mets. This will look almost as bad as the Canó deal. I can feel it.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9946 on:** December 21, 2022, 01:03:56 pm »

Quote from: RedSince86 on December 21, 2022, 12:57:40 pm

I thought they found a health issue, I'm guessing the Giants ownership were waking up in cold sweats at that crazy contract and that was the health issue.

Cohen spending like Abramovich 03-07.

yeah they did - cold feet!

Steve Cohen is an absolute madman, to go from the Wilpons owning the Mets to this, it’s impossible as a Mets fan to even explain how it really is, talk about extremes

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #9947 on:** December 21, 2022, 01:24:31 pm »

Quote from: I'll Have A Glas Christmas Without You on December 21, 2022, 09:14:22 am

Steve Cohen is wild

Now Carlos Correa to the Metsies on some insane deal.

Didn't realize he'll be 40 when his new contract is up. Cohen spending whatever it takes without a second thought to try and get that World Series.

Ray K · « **Reply #9948 on:** December 21, 2022, 01:55:54 pm »

Bobby Bonilla must be sitting at home and thinking he's going to get a contract extension on his annual payout to about 2050 now.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #9949 on:** December 21, 2022, 03:03:33 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on December 21, 2022, 01:55:54 pm

Bobby Bonilla must be sitting at home and thinking he's going to get a contract extension on his annual payout to about 2050 now.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #9950 on:** December 21, 2022, 03:17:14 pm »

This one seems especially weird because if the Giants are seeing something why aren’t the Mets thinking “Hold up, what’s the craic here?”

skipper757 · « **Reply #9951 on:** December 24, 2022, 06:19:22 pm »

Now the Mets have an issue with Correa's physical. Incredible. This is going to end up with him signing a 5-year, $10 million deal with the Pirates before Bob Nutting rescinds the deal as it's too expensive for them.

https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1606693832699138048

ShatnersBassoon · « **Reply #9952 on:** December 24, 2022, 06:32:30 pm »

he'll end up back in Minnesota at this rate..

not sure on this moreno/gurriel for varsho trade for the blue jays. seems a lot to give up, but the outfield defense should be a lot less frustrating now at least.

skipper757 · « **Reply #9953 on:** December 24, 2022, 06:35:01 pm »

Quote from: ShatnersBassoon on December 24, 2022, 06:32:30 pm

he'll end up back in Minnesota at this rate..

not sure on this moreno/gurriel for varsho trade for the blue jays. seems a lot to give up, but the outfield defense should be a lot less frustrating now at least.

Yea, could be a win-win here. Jays have catching depth anyway, and this improves the defense for them. Varsho's got some versatility to him as well.

Diamondbacks have some really good young players now. Alek Thomas was decent as a rookie. Corbin Carroll is the top prospect and looked ok after call-up. Now Moreno. Drey Jameson pitched well at the end of last year, and they still have high picks in Jordan Lawlar and Druw Jones (although both will be years away).

Brutal division but some good young talent.

TipTopKop · « **Reply #9954 on:** January 7, 2023, 01:10:38 am »

Dodgers are moving on from Bauer, as probably expected. They're going to eat $22 million of his salary. Should he sign elsewhere they'll get back around $700,000.

None of it is a huge concern to a $5 Billion organization. The whole affair was sorry and they should have done more research before signing him.

I think overall they've let a few walk this season and probably won't be making any big signings as they want to stop that luxury tax from rolling over. They will still have Bauer on their books this season.

I dunno, it feels like they had a go with a few of their signings for the past 3 or 4 seasons, done in by injuries at key moments, awful coaching decisions and plain choking means they're probably on the decline now with the Padres, Mets, maybe even Phillies going the other way.

Statto Red · « **Reply #9955 on:** January 7, 2023, 12:26:03 pm »

Quote from: TipTopKop on January 7, 2023, 01:10:38 am

Dodgers are moving on from Bauer, as probably expected. They're going to eat $22 million of his salary. Should he sign elsewhere they'll get back around $700,000.

None of it is a huge concern to a $5 Billion organization. The whole affair was sorry and they should have done more research before signing him.

I think overall they've let a few walk this season and probably won't be making any big signings as they want to stop that luxury tax from rolling over. They will still have Bauer on their books this season.

I dunno, it feels like they had a go with a few of their signings for the past 3 or 4 seasons, done in by injuries at key moments, awful coaching decisions and plain choking means they're probably on the decline now with the Padres, Mets, maybe even Phillies going the other way.

Makes you wonder why the Dodgers signed Bauer in the first place, with all the things going on at the time, don't think Bauer was popular in the Dodgers locker room either.

What team if any, is going to be daft & desperate enough to sign Bauer on.

TipTopKop · « **Reply #9956 on:** January 7, 2023, 11:15:53 pm »

Quote from: Statto Red on January 7, 2023, 12:26:03 pm

Makes you wonder why the Dodgers signed Bauer in the first place, with all the things going on at the time, don't think Bauer was popular in the Dodgers locker room either.

Arrogance in the front office, I would imagine. 'We can buy anyone, so why not'.

It hasn't worked. 1 WS from 10 division titles, and the luxury tax multiplies with each consecutive year the team goes over, so I think they are now scaling back and looking to their farm system, which in fairness is healthy.

If there is a positive, it's that they haven't thrown prospects at teams in favour of getting bigger players, another sign they've probably realised this 'spend, spend' strategy is risky and unsustainable. You get a small window to succeed, they didn't.

As for Bauer, well, at this point in time all the media heads are saying no one will go near him, but I wouldn't be so sure somewhere down the line.

A team chasing the pennant, and needs a guy on the mound who's admittedly good, for just $700,000... it's probably tempting for some teams (not now), but say 7 months down the road when the dust settles.

We've seen it in the NFL with Cleveland taking onboard Watson who's had all the baggage.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #9957 on:** January 10, 2023, 10:43:54 pm »

The ridiculous Correa saga may soon be over:

Shortstop Carlos Correa and the Minnesota Twins are finalizing a six-year, $200 million contract, sources tell ESPN.

ShatnersBassoon · « **Reply #9958 on:** January 10, 2023, 11:43:53 pm »

Quote from: ShatnersBassoon on December 24, 2022, 06:32:30 pm

he'll end up back in Minnesota at this rate..

called it

Buck Pete · « **Reply #9959 on:** March 4, 2023, 01:53:21 pm »

Guys

Was watching an episode of a TV show last night (The Handmaid's Tale, S02E2). The episode primarily set in Boston, ended with an insert of Joe Bucks commentary.

I am not a Baseball follower at all so need something putting right in my head. Its driving me mad.

So the Boston Redsox won the World Series in 2004 ending a 86 year wait? I believe the last time they won it pre 2004 was 1918.

Ok here is where I'm confused:

Over a cacophony of crowd noise, Joe says in the voice clip (and I quote) -

"That is a Ripped Foul"

"2-2"

"The DH is ready to celebrate"

"So are these fans"

"It hasn't happened at Fenway Park for 95 Years!!"

"The Red Sox are World Champions"

Surely Joe Buck wouldn't have got it wrong. Can anyone explain please. Does he perhaps mean the actual World Series hasn't been won on Redsox turf for 95 years and not necessarily the actual World Series?

Cheers