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ANFIELD4EVER statement
« on: May 17, 2002, 11:22:21 am »
"Very shortly there will be a statement issued by Liverpool City Council, endorsed by Liverpool Football Club, that will render very very sad those of us at Anfield4Ever - together with any like-minded souls.

The statement will recommend that a new stadium of around 55,000 capacity be constructed on Stanley Park by, they hope, 2005.

The decision is the outcome of exhaustive feasibility studies carried out by both Liverpool FC and the City Council to determine what they consider to be the optimum way forward for LFC, the Anfield area and the city as a whole.

Taking due consideration of all the criteria involved which are considerable and extremely precariously balanced they narrowed their feasibility study to two alternatives which were an expanded Anfield or a new Stanley Park arena, both with around 55,000 capacity.

The bitter reality of the feasibility designs was that the expanded Anfield, whilst certainly achievable as a possible solution, was quite manifestly NOT the most viable solution. Despite strong desires within many of those involved in the decision making at Anfield, there was unanimous concensus that the new stadium was the only way forward.

Whilst we at A4E are bitterly disappointed, we respect the decision that has been made. Above anything else we are pragmatists. We sincerely believed when we embarked on our campaign that an expanded Anfield would work given an exhaustive effort to make it work. Clearly, that effort has been made but has been found not to be adequate having regard to all the criteria required to be fulfilled.

Twelve months ago we presented our formal submission to the powers that be at Anfield which set out the reasons why we believed the club should stay at their present home and expand it to suit their increased capacity needs. The Anfield hierarchy met with us and received our submission with grace and a great deal of respect. We in turn promised them that we would cease any further efforts to publicise our opposition. This promise we honoured to the letter. Since that time they have taken on board several of the detailed points we made and have incorporated them within their feasibility exercises.

In the intervening period we have had further dialogue with David Moores and Rick Parry who have courteously kept us informed of the way matters were developing. It is this mutual respect that leads us to believe that it is only the relative impracticability of the expanded Anfield scheme when compared to the new stadium scheme that has brought them to the conclusion that the club has to move.

Our immediate feelings on the matter is that we now have little alternative but to retire from the fray with, we hope, dignity. We still, of course, maintain the stance that some things in this life are worth retaining at virtually any cost. We feel Anfield comes into this category. That said, we feel we have done all we could do to represent this view to the people in the position of determining the crucial executive decision in this regard. That we have failed to convince them our stance is the right one is no slight on ourselves but a bow to the current vogue of how progress has to be seen to be made. It does not mean that we were wrong or that the LFC hierarchy were right.

We have been asked by Rick Parry to participate in some of the fringe design considerations affecting supporters and club heritage. Tim Kelly, Will Melia and myself shall reflect on this humanitarian offer over a few beers and make a decision in this connection. One thing I have already been assured of. The name of the new stadium will be ANFIELD. That, at least gives us some modicum of comfort while we weep and lick our wounds.

Alan Edge

17th May 2002"

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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2002, 11:29:18 am »
Why only 55,000? There must have been some serious thinking gone into that number, would like to know how they came to that (if it turns out to the case).

I guess it would be great to have a 65 or 70,000 stadium, but its and expensive thing to have if you cant fill it every time........which is basically the fans responsibility.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2002, 11:31:11 am »
Oh well.  Bye bye Anfield  :'(  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2002, 11:45:13 am »
I guess although 55,000 it will be designed in such a way as to allow easy exapnsion as the need arises, with say adding another tier all the way round the ground, although hopefully the Kop end will stay single tier as it is.  Possibly with safe standing ??  How do people feel about safe standing here ??

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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2002, 11:46:33 am »
OFFICIAL - THE CLUB IS RUN BY A BUNCH OF FUCKING WANKER

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2002, 11:47:59 am »
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N135041020517-1144.htm

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Liverpool Football Club today announced that they would like to build a new stadium on Stanley Park - less than 300 yards from the present stadium. Plans for a new stadium, which would hold 55,000 supporters, have been presented to Liverpool City Council after the club investigated no fewer than seven different sites - including expanding the present ground - over the last two years. The new stadium will cost between 60m and 70m to build and could even be ready for the start of the 2005 season. Original plans to construct a new 70,000-seater stadium could have cost the club 120m and a decision was taken by the club to not let the cost of building a new ground interfere with Gerard Houllier's ability to compete for the best players to put out on the pitch.

"What we don't want to do - and what we won't ever do - is lose the focus that the team comes first," Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv. "We always want to ensure the revenue is available for the manager to strengthen his squad. That is one reason why we haven't pressed ahead with our original plan for a 70,000 stadium. We don't want to have a huge financial millstone hanging around our necks. Our view is that this stadium is right for our needs. There is still a lot of work to do though and a number of obstacles to overcome yet. It will take time but I hope all of the fans are excited by what they can see."

LFC.TV: What are Liverpool's stadium plans for the future?

Rick Parry: Our preferred option is to build a new stadium on Stanley Park with a capacity of 55,000. It will cost around 60-70 million to build and could be ready for use for the start of the 2005-06 season. The original plan, as you know, was to build a new 70,000-seater stadium but, on economic grounds, we have decided that this is the best option because the cost of building the stadium would be doubled if w e went with our initial design.

What happens now?

Now that we have settled on this as our preferred option we have to take the plans into the local community. This is a very important part of the process.

The important thing to remember here is that a brand new stadium in Anfield would be the major catalyst for the regeneration of the whole area. It would give Anfield and Breckfield a huge lift.

We have worked closely with the local residents so far and that will continue. To date we have only liased with all the representatives in the steering groups, but from now on it will literally be a case of door knocking and speaking to individuals in the area as part of our community consultation. We have appointed a specialist firm to carry this process out. We are sure that everyone will benefit from the building of a brand new stadium.

How will everybody benefit?

We are committed to ensuring the stadium will contribute to the community. There will be benefits for both the community and for the club. Within the design of the stadium there will be room for community sports facilities and we are also looking at different educational initiatives for youngsters in the local area. We also think a new stadium will create a flow of tourism opportunities for the city. A new stadium is potentially a very powerful centrepiece for Anfield and Breckfield.


Will the stadium still be named 'Anfield'?

Yes. We have no intention of selling our name. The stadium will still be in Anfield so that is what it will be called.

What will happen to the site of the present stadium?

The agreement is that there will be no loss of public open space if we build a new stadium. The boundaries of Stanley Park will be redrawn and that means the present site will become public open space. We don't dictate what happens to that space.

Do you have any preferences for what happens to it?

We would hope that there is scope for something which is a legacy to the existing stadium. One possibility is a memorial garden because a number of people have had their ashes scattered on the current pitch.

What about the Hillsborough memorial?

Of course the Hillsborough memorial would be uppermost in our thoughts when we make the plans. The same applies to the re-siting of the Paisley and Shankly gates.

I believe we can achieve good linkages from the new site to the present one without losing our heritage. Don't forget we are proposing to only move about two hundred yards.

Why did you decide against wanting to increase the capacity of the current stadium?


It would be very difficult to increase the size of the current stadium to what we want. We are very short on space and the implications of re-building the Main Stand would be considerable. Of course we would cope and we would get through it, as we did when we re-built the Kop, but we would be looking at three years of disruption as the building work was carried out. Re-building the Main Stand would be a much bigger job than re-building the Kop because of all the facilities and the dressing rooms within the Main Stand. We would have to considerably reduce the capacity within the stadium for a long period of time.

Also, when we were building the new Kop we weren't playing European football and there weren't as many midweek games as there are today. It was a case back then of the builders doing the work during the week and then handing the stadium back to us for weekend games. That just wouldn't be possible today and the logistics of redeveloping Anfield are just massive.

There was also some talk of a possible ground move to Speke?

As part of the process we had to look at as many options as possible and in the end we probably considered seven or eight different locations. But we always wanted to remain in Anfield. This is where this club belongs and it is where we want to stay.

What is the reaction of the club's Board to these plans?

It's a very emotional issue and moving from Anfield is not a decision that has been taken lightly. We have had to look at what is in the best interests of the club in the future. We have also been guided by what is best for the regeneration of the area. We must keep up with the game's other leading clubs.


A new stadium would give more fans the chance to see the team play and, after all, that's what this is all about. There will be games when we still don't have enough seats for cater to everybody, we know that. But we genuinely feel that this is the right step forward for us.

How excited are you by these plans?

Very excited, but my opinion isn't relevant really. Hopefully the fans will see this and agree that the club is going places in every respect.

What we don't want to do - and what we won't ever do - is lose the focus that the team comes first. We always want to ensure the revenue is available for the manager to strengthen his squad. That is one reason why we haven't pressed ahead with our original plan for a 70,000 stadium. We don't want to have a huge financial millstone hanging around our necks. Our view is that this stadium is right for our needs.

There is still a lot of work to do though and a number of obstacles to overcome yet. It will take time but I hope all of the fans are excited by what they can see.


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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2002, 11:58:29 am »
84Rome looking at the plan there doesn't look much chance for later expansion.

Ben there is still a couple of process' left nd that includes going to local residents and the council so there is still hope.

You want summat to do Ben?? Go round anfield and make sure they oppose the plans ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2002, 11:59:51 am »
ANNNNNFIELDDDDD FOREEEEEEEEEEEVER

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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2002, 12:05:03 pm »
Gutted.

Love Anfield, and why leave just to increase the attendance a bit.

The increase in capacity won't even accomadate all those on a season ticket waiting list.

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2002, 12:13:13 pm »
the stupid thing is they are moving 100 fucking yards and have already bought all the houses behind the Anny Road end including some behind the Main stand.

Lets hope the residents oppose the plans and tell the club to fuck off.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2002, 03:58:31 pm »
the club says...But we always wanted to remain in Anfield. This is where this club belongs and it is where we want to stay.


so why the fuck move out of our spiritual home you stupid fucking little pricks!!!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2002, 04:01:40 pm »
Saph, please have an alcoholic drink and calm down a bit as we don't want to hear of any Man U fans being killed by you, as then we won't see you next season.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2002, 05:38:19 pm »
Although I live so far away, and can never pretend to have as much attachment to Anfield as you folks (I've never been there after all), I can't help but feel saddened by the news; the names Liverpool FC and Anfield go together for me.

Then a few points:

1- Why build a new stadium and compromise on its capacity; the increase is only about 11,000 spectators right? To me that doesn't sound worth it. Why not renovate Anfield itself.

2- The money that will be spent will certainly have an impact on GH's ability to buy players; how will that affect his plans for building the team? Will corners be cut in that respect. Rick Parry says the team comes first, and that's why the original plan for a 70,000 seater stadium was dropped. Still, we're talking about 60 -70 million (and wait till they tell you in a year that the original budget was insufficient).

3- If more money will be generated from the new stadium on the long run, I'm fine with that, because it means that the club will be able to sustain the purchase of good players in the future, as well as providing better training facilities etc...  But I don't think now is the time for it, because the money is needed now before the long run.

In any case, I don't know how much money the club currently has and what the plan is... so I might be worng on the financial argument; but again, I feel the emotional aspect and the fans' desires should be an important factor.

On a personal note, the only positive thing I derive from this move is that I will now have to speed up my plans to visit Anfield for the first -and possibly the last- time in my life.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2002, 05:52:40 pm »
Bamboom - like you, I've never been to Anfield - let's see who visits it first eh? And I don't mean the "new" Anfield.


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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2002, 05:55:16 pm »
The bet's on Cyn. 1000  ;) ;D

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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2002, 06:00:07 pm »
Rick Parry says that to redevelop anfield would mean a reduced capacity and disruption for 3 years.  Now I figure if they do both Anny Road and Main (although one at a time) then on average the capacity will be reduced by 10,000 seats.  So over 3 years they will lose approx 15million in ticket sales.  And it will cost about 20million for the redevelopment.  So this gives realistically a total cost of 35million for the redevelopment.  This is half the cost of building a new stadium over the same period of time.


For example if we used all gate reciepts (from league games only) to pay for redevelopment/move this would give:

New ground:

Gate reciepts while stadium being built of 62,700,000

Cost of new stadium= 70million

So this leaves us with a loss of 7.3million

Redevelopment:

Gate receipts from reduced capacity over 3 years of redevelopment (assuming capacity reduced by 10,000 over the 3 years on average) gives approx 50million

Estimated cost of redevelopment is 20million.

This leaves us with a profit of 30million


Now I know this isn't a great model to use but in basic terms it seems better financially to redevelop using basic figures like above.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2002, 06:10:08 pm »
So what about the long-run. Any estimates/comparisons for, say, a 5 or 10 year period, or would it be the same since the capacity will be the same in both cases? (no other benefits from a new stadium except the capacity increase?)

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2002, 06:36:12 pm »
in the long run any interest payments on loans taken out would be less thus less of our income would be used to pay these.  So I think in the long run we could save quite a bit of money.

BUT the above figures are by no means conclusive.  It all depends on how much redevelopment would cost although RP said last september that cost of redevelopment was not a problem.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2002, 07:52:07 pm »
Hey Alan, nice post.

Keep your chin up.  If the club is going to move, even over the objections, be sure that you keep in contact with the club and make sure that they include the features that will create a good new stadium, one that represents LFC well and gives the fan his or her money's worth.  You represent us to the club.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2002, 10:17:18 pm »
Im fuckin gutted - even though everyone seems to be getting these new grounds i just didnt think we would!!

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Re:ANFIELD4EVER statement
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2002, 11:05:21 pm »
I'm even more gutted than most, my Dads ashes are at Anfield.




 
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