Two trophies in two seasons with that side is genuine success. When the fuck did trophies stop being the barometer for success?
it’s weird, cos if they end up winning today, then they too will have had a better season than Arsenal - because they won something.
But still ten Hag’s time at Man Utd will not be seen as a success, due to how awful they where in the league and how embarrassing their european campaign was, he’s regressed then in the 2 areas their entitled fans and those in charge demand progress in - hence he’s getting sacked.
All in all, it doesn’t really matter, cos everyone still knows the the club is a bit of a mess with no real plan or direction in place.