Topic: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance

[killer-heels]

I would question the full back part ( I don't think we NEED it. I think we need another good LB, but we have real quality in Trent)

We do need a quality CB and forward, and probably quality DM too although we may get away with simply a great one next to Macca providing genuine class

I think we do. Lets be honest our best players are still the class of 18-20.

[Caston]

Said it at the time. Klopp had said if ever there was a documentary forced upon him he'd leave. And whats happened?
Seems very strange to me that the manager said it was Liverpool 2.0, but knew he was going to leave before the season started. You don't rebuild a squad in 1 season.

Not this again.

[Razors Razor]

hahahahahaha.Give it up ffs, the players  have.

I'm.all for optimism mate but come on!

[Razors Razor]

Not this again.

What, something wrong with facts?

[Pistolero]

Looking at the remaining fixtures, still reckon we still go into last game level on points with City top of the league. No one is winning every game. Arsenal and City tough away games to come.

Get to bed nugget....

[hide5seek]

Said pretty much all season that I think we need an injection of real top quality throughout the team. So another centrehalf, another full back, another midfielder and another attacker of real top, top quality.

Were not spending that sort of  money.

[Caps4444]

Only players that should be sold are

Mo
Robbo
Matip


We probably need 1 LB, 1 forward, a DM and 1 CB

[Ste08]

We overachieved this year but how it ended is hard to take even if we are about where we assumed we might be in August.

[bird_lfc]

Looking at the remaining fixtures, still reckon we still go into last game level on points with City top of the league. No one is winning every game. Arsenal and City tough away games to come.

Both arsenal and city are superior to us. And even if they dropped points - we are not winning every game. Not a chance in hell.

[duvva 💅]

Said it at the time. Klopp had said if ever there was a documentary forced upon him he'd leave. And whats happened?
Seems very strange to me that the manager said it was Liverpool 2.0, but knew he was going to leave before the season started. You don't rebuild a squad in 1 season.

Only just back from the ban?

[Razors Razor]

Spurs game is massive. They win their 2 in hand and they are 8 points behind with 4 games left. Hopfully this was a blip and Champions League footy is back, but the forwards look clueless at the moment. The Fulham game was great as Jota and Cody were up for it.

[Bread]

I think once people are over the disappointment of the past few weeks, we'll realise that this season has been a fairly successful one. I said it earlier in the thread, but given how much of a catastrophe 22/23 was and we had to bed in an entire new midfield, I think it's commendable to be in a title race in Mid-April in a season where nobody expected us to be in one at all.

If you asked the majority of Liverpool fans last August whether they'd take a top 4 finish this season, I think the majority of us would have hesitantly accepted that offer.

[killer-heels]

We overachieved this year but how it ended is hard to take even if we are about where we assumed we might be in August.

I dont think we overachieved. I think where we will likely finish is about right.

[kop306]

Only players that should be sold are

Mo
Robbo
Matip


We probably need 1 LB, 1 forward, a DM and 1 CB

matip is end of contract

[Barneylfc∗]

Only just back from the ban?

It should be reinstated.

[BobPaisley3]

Frankly I think we knew that. We knew the defence needed work but we had to focus on midfield this summer. We though the defence was good enough to get where we wanted.

We wanted top 4. In that sense the gamble is probably correct.

It’s been chopped and changed far too often due to injuries. Yes it needs repair but the inability to play a settled back 5 has killed us.

[Razors Razor]

Only just back from the ban?

 I'm not the kind of person who is worried about having a big post count. What I've said is factual. I don't see what the problem is.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

I think we do. Lets be honest our best players are still the class of 18-20.

But one of them in that class is 25 and a full back. I don't think we need 2 world class full backs to compete. Arsenal don't, and I would say there are questions City have 2 world class full backs. We need another good Left Back to start.

We need genuine world class quality in defence and attack, and an excellent DM. I don't think we also need a world class LB to compete I think we are fine with a good starting LB and a world class Trent.

[WorldChampions]

Let's face it, you need to be strong defensively to win the title and we are far from it.

Think the start of the downfall was playing the full team against Sparta when the tie was done. Three days later we lost our heads against the Mancs and haven't found them since.

[hide5seek]

I think once people are over the disappointment of the past few weeks, we'll realise that this season has been a fairly successful one. I said it earlier in the thread, but given how much of a catastrophe 22/23 was and we had to bed in an entire new midfield, I think it's commendable to be in a title race in Mid-April in a season where nobody expected us to be in one at all.

If you asked the majority of Liverpool fans last August whether they'd take a top 4 finish this season, I think the majority of us would have hesitantly accepted that offer.

Nice try. But when you're fighting for the title and give up without a fight its a  disappointing season.

[ScubaSteve]

I'm emotionally calm because after the draw to Manu and the loss to Palace I thought it was done. We look far more likely than Arsenal and City to drop points.

Yeah at least we’re not losing the title on the final day of the season

[kop306]

our players look as though they have lost belief

the united fa cup game affected certain players confidence they havent been the same since

every game is a tough game for us till the end of the season

injury prevention needs to be a big priority for next season

[Stockholm Syndrome]

It’s been chopped and changed far too often due to injuries. Yes it needs repair but the inability to play a settled back 5 has killed us.

I think it would "kill" us anyway

Because we weren't expecting to challenge this year. We were meant to get top 4 and sort out the defence this coming summer. It appears that's how it is going

[Andar]

I'm gutted that the one season he won the league with us was the one season we couldn't properly celebrate it or have a parade where we could have seen him holding the trophy in one hand whilst holding a pint in the other. That may be the worst thing of all.

It's sickening isn't it? Around February time I was picturing the scenes at Anfield. The trophy lift, pitch invasion, the players showing off the trophy around the ground, Klopp in front of the Kop lifting the PL. So much more.

And out of the blue some twat of a disease popped out of nowhere and put a complete halt to everything. I feel like going full Trump and cursing China

We never got the celebrations and instead got some strange presentation. Fair play to the club they tried to make the best out of a bad situation but it was such an anti-climax.

City and their corruption makes me sick to the stomach too. Twice beaten by a point to a club who done all sorts to get ahead of us. We played fair and look where it got us.

[GarciaAndNunezNunezNunez]

We were deservedly beaten, again! The response in the second half was so wrong after going 2-0 down. One of the worst, as bad as Atalanta. Slow, flat, no ideas.

We should have scored from 45 - 55 minutes again

Playing into teams hands again - a free header for Calvert Lewin?

After 2-0, just nothing. Would have expected some control. The champion teams would have got a goal back and put the pressure on - just no response and not reminiscent of a Klopp team.

Edwards will be looking to clear out a fair few of this team - the mindset and quality is not there

[slaphead]

I had thought we might get away with the Palace result but 3 points from 9 at this stage of the season is a kick in the stones. We'll keep going like we have to, and after that effort tonight some of them boys need dropped or owe us a big win on Saturday.

[Razors Razor]

It should be reinstated.

Am I missing something? Is it like the, fuck it its Gomes, and not allowed to be mentioned as I don't read the site each and every single day.
If the above is the case then apologies.

[TSC]

Looking at the remaining fixtures, still reckon we still go into last game level on points with City top of the league. No one is winning every game. Arsenal and City tough away games to come.

This is only a flesh wound.  Or something

[BobPaisley3]

I think it would "kill" us anyway

Because we weren't expecting to challenge this year. We were meant to get top 4 and sort out the defence this coming summer. It appears that's how it is going

Were we? Where have you heard this?

[Caligula?]

Can only imagine how much you must have had to drink tonight.

They both look a million miles away from us

He's a wum

There will be a fair few one here tonight

[Razors Razor]

I think once people are over the disappointment of the past few weeks, we'll realise that this season has been a fairly successful one. I said it earlier in the thread, but given how much of a catastrophe 22/23 was and we had to bed in an entire new midfield, I think it's commendable to be in a title race in Mid-April in a season where nobody expected us to be in one at all.

If you asked the majority of Liverpool fans last August whether they'd take a top 4 finish this season, I think the majority of us would have hesitantly accepted that offer.

Agree. Think we have massively over achieved.

[Nick110581]

We were deservedly beaten, again! The response in the second half was so wrong after going 2-0 down. One of the worst, as bad as Atalanta. Slow, flat, no ideas.

We should have scored from 45 - 55 minutes again

Playing into teams hands again - a free header for Calvert Lewin?

After 2-0, just nothing. Would have expected some control. The champion teams would have got a goal back and put the pressure on - just no response and not reminiscent of a Klopp team.

Edwards will be looking to clear out a fair few of this team - the mindset and quality is not there

Diaz rattled the woodwork at 2-0. Did you miss that ?

[spider-neil]

Only players that should be sold are

Mo
Robbo
Matip


We probably need 1 LB, 1 forward, a DM and 1 CB

Matip and Thiago are out of contract.

[killer-heels]

Agree. Think we have massively over achieved.

We havent massively overachieved. Are Villa or Spurs better than us?

[smicer07]

We havent massively overachieved. Are Villa or Spurs better than us?

I watched the Bournemouth game tonight. They played better football than we have for a while to be fair to them. I don't think Villa or Spurs are better than us but they have fitter squads and are in better form.

[Caps4444]

New manager will have own ideas.
First thing is to find out how he wants to play Trent.

We have Allison and Virgil who can be classed as leaders.

Need to get a new fresh top quality LB.
Need a proper DM
If we sell Mo, then a top quality Forward.

[Razors Razor]

I'm gutted that the one season he won the league with us was the one season we couldn't properly celebrate it or have a parade where we could have seen him holding the trophy in one hand whilst holding a pint in the other. That may be the worst thing of all.

Yea it is a bit of a downer. We can still have a good send off though? There must be a parade for the League Cup and to thanks Jurgen?

[slaphead]

It's worth saying too, people saying stuff like the players have fucker Jurgen over the last few weeks. Get de fuck with that shite. No ones done this on purpose we just seem to have lost form, confidence, ideas. Everything. It does happen to us now and again , like every team I suppose. Just couldnt have happened at a worse time really

[disgraced cake]

Said it the other day, if we didn't drag ourselves into the title race 3rd place and a trophy would have been nice. The ending of this season and the disappointing ending to Klopp's tenure will make it one a lot will be keen to see the back of. My overall emotion with this season will forever be disappointment. People can feel free to have different outlooks but from the middle of March onwards it's been fucking horrible. I don't think we've beaten a really good side all season bar Arsenal in the cup. Look at the effort it took to turn that Newcastle game round in August, where's all that gone? Is it loss of energy? I feel it can't be honestly.

We've been the third best side this season, reflective of our ability of currently being the third best side. Argue with it all you want but it's true. I think we've got a lot of things to improve if we're to challenge at the top end of both the major competitions in the next few years, and I think that'd be the case even if Klopp had stayed, of course he looks fucked though and it's the right decision for him to move on. If Michael Edwards can oversee the creation of another great side, honest to god, he'll go down as one of the most influential people to walk through the doors of the club.

[deanloco9]

I think the league is over now but would be interesting if City and Arsenal drop points in their next two, saying that we probably would lose to Wolves.