Topic: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance

[farawayred]

One week. The United draw was on the 7th.

Our slump started from the cup loss to those. Almost a month ago.

[Cozzymoto]

It's a long shot but they do have an appalling record at Spurs - this is Klopp's farewell so maybe football Gods will gift us a little bit of magic for an epic goodbye.

The football gods has never ever been good to us. Even when we did win the league there was talk of league abandonment when Covid hit.

[HardworkDedication]

I don't think City's games are easy on paper. Luton at home was their gimme which conveniently fell in between the Real Madrid tie.

Brighton, Fulham, Spurs and Forest away aren't easy games - put it this way they're 4 games we'd struggle to win. They'll likely win 3 or all of them but they could easily get a draw in there given their cup commitments (and if they go through midweek).

Issue with Spurs playing them last midweek of the season is they won't want to let Arsenal in so you won't get the hostile atmosphere needed.

They're in a fight for top 4 so not a chance they won't put a shift in if CL place is still a possibility.

[smicer07]

Our slump started from the cup loss to those. Almost a month ago.

That's when my slump started too.

[Nick110581]

And people are retrospectively talking about the refs when we’ve also been responsible for dropping pts vs Utd in particular. Let’s focus on ourselves

But the decision in that City match is monumental.

And the VAR audio is describing a completely different incident.

Oliver fucking off to officiate abroad is shady as fuck too.

[Legs]

They're in a fight for top 4 so not a chance they won't put a shift in if CL place is still a possibility.

That point is true but if Arsenal/City go through to SF then obviously one makes the final if that happens 5th is enough.

City are winning out here seen it before and lots of people say they aren’t as good as 2018, 2022 etc but they carry on doing what they always do which is cheat and win

[farawayred]

That point is true but if Arsenal/City go through to SF then obviously one makes the final if that happens 5th is enough.

City are winning out here seen it before and lots of people say they aren’t as good as 2018, 2022 etc but they carry on doing what they always do which is cheat and win

Doesn't look like 5th will be enough for England to get an extra CL place.

[Cozzymoto]

But the decision in that City match is monumental.

And the VAR audio is describing a completely different incident.

Oliver fucking off to officiate abroad is shady as fuck too.

No doubt but we should have buried City in the 2nd half with all those chances we had. Same old story, as today. Can’t put it in the back of the net.

[smicer07]

No doubt but we should have buried City in the 2nd half with all those chances we had. Same old story, as today. Can’t put it in the back of the net.

Players miss chances. Referees, with VAR, should not be making mistakes.

[Legs]

But the decision in that City match is monumental.

And the VAR audio is describing a completely different incident.

Oliver fucking off to officiate abroad is shady as fuck too.

Exactly momentum is everything in sport and that game made me really think without saying it we not win this.

Oliver “No no no penalty geordie c*nt” he basically TOLD VAR not to give it and he also was the c*nt who didn’t send Pickford off for fucking up VVD.

Foreign officials is the only way

[Nick110581]

No doubt but we should have buried City in the 2nd half with all those chances we had. Same old story, as today. Can’t put it in the back of the net.

Yet we have scored the most goals in Europe.

[Eeyore]

That point is true but if Arsenal/City go through to SF then obviously one makes the final if that happens 5th is enough.

City are winning out here seen it before and lots of people say they aren’t as good as 2018, 2022 etc but they carry on doing what they always do which is cheat and win

Is that the City who have failed to win 10 of their 32 League games. Who have drawn two of their last 5 League games and have a really congested finish to the season.

[Nick110581]

All we can do is win the next two.

It will be fucking hard but that would put us ahead of City by four before they play again.

[farawayred]

Yet we have scored the most goals in Europe.

It would only count next week, if it happens. Sparta. We put 11 past them that distorts the statistics.

[Legs]

Is that the City who have failed to win 10 of their 32 League games. Who have drawn two of their last 5 League games and have a really congested finish to the season.

Yeah it is we’ll see when they have played the 6 games who is right won’t we

Those 2 draws were also at Anfield and against Arsenal.

They now play fodder they are good are smashing fodder.

[Cozzymoto]

Yet we have scored the most goals in Europe.

Yeah but means nought when we don’t score where it matters? So while we have shit decisions with refs and var I’m not holding that as the main reason we are, where we are.

[Nick110581]

It would only count next week, if it happens. Sparta. We put 11 past them that distorts the statistics.

Fuck me.

It’s almost like you point out a fact then people dismiss to suit some weird agenda.

[BobPaisley3]

City haven't lost since December. Pep doesn't mess it up 6 games out, they're ice cold when the pressure is on in the league.

By they do you mean the pgmol?

[Jm55]

Is that the City who have failed to win 10 of their 32 League games. Who have drawn two of their last 5 League games and have a really congested finish to the season.

Exactly.

People too quick to just decide they’re going to win every game, they might but they could easily not do.

Issue for me is the fact that we probably need them to lose one or draw two which is the iffy bit, although not impossible we turn that GD around.

[farawayred]

Fuck me.

It’s almost like you point out a fact then people dismiss to suit some weird agenda.

I'm pointing that the fact has little meaning in the context. We needed only 3 goals against Sparta to overcome them. We scored 11. The extra 8 beef up the statistics that you point to. So fucking what? Do Atalanta care about that statistic? Would that get us through to the next round? What were you trying to prove by bringing a meaningless fact (yes, it's a fact)? That because we scored 11 past Sparta, we could have scored against City with the same ease?

[Nick110581]

I'm pointing that the fact has little meaning in the context. We needed only 3 goals against Sparta to overcome them. We scored 11. The extra 8 beef up the statistics that you point to. So fucking what? Do Atalanta care about that statistic? Would that get us through to the next round? What were you trying to prove by bringing a meaningless fact (yes, it's a fact)? That because we scored 11 past Sparta, we could have scored against City with the same ease?

We are the highest scorers in all European Leagues right ?

[farawayred]

We are the highest scorers in all European Leagues right ?

Yay, another trophy!

[smicer07]

Yay, another trophy!

 

[Legs]

Exactly.

People too quick to just decide they’re going to win every game, they might but they could easily not do.

Issue for me is the fact that we probably need them to lose one or draw two which is the iffy bit, although not impossible we turn that GD around.

Look at their fixtures do you see them not beating them all seriously ?

I hope I’m wrong but no chance they do but even so I wouldn’t be confident LFC/AFC win out either so these fuckers have another in the bag.

[Heritage]

Our slump started from the cup loss to those. Almost a month ago.

Disagreed. We won against Brighton and Sheffield after losing at Old Trafford in the cup. But last week drew with United and since then we have lost consecutive games at Anfield, and lost the advantage for each competition we're still in. It's this week for me. If you think winning 2-1 to brighton and 3-1 to sheffield is a slump based on the actual performances... I've got bad news, we've been putting in performances like that all season 

[smicer07]

I genuinely think some posters on here these days aren't happy unless we're losing, so they have something to moan about on the Endo/Darwin/insert current scapegoat here threads.

[Nick110581]

I genuinely think some posters on here these days aren't happy unless we're losing, so they have something to moan about on the Endo/Darwin/insert current scapegoat here threads.

I am not sure people realise how good it has been under Klopp.

Maybe, it is because City have fucked things with needing 90 plus points to win every title and the need for almost perfection each season.

[farawayred]

Disagreed. We won against Brighton and Sheffield after losing at Old Trafford in the cup. But last week drew with United and since then we have lost consecutive games at Anfield, and lost the advantage for each competition we're still in. It's this week for me. If you think winning 2-1 to brighton and 3-1 to sheffield is a slump based on the actual performances... I've got bad news, we've been putting in performances like that all season 

I remember the games, I've been shitting glass shards during the Brighton one... And Sheffield were/are bottom for a reason. I don't think those performances are something to go by as an example... But I'd put it to differences in opinion.

[DHRED]

Yet we have scored the most goals in Europe.

We’ve got the worst record in the top 6 games

We were flat track bullies for most of the season but now we can’t even beat shite like palace.

[Nick110581]

We’ve got the worst record in the top 6 games

We were flat track bullies for most of the season but now we can’t even beat shite like palace.

Ok.

I don’t know what you point is.

Palace aren’t shite. We should have still won though.

[rossipersempre]

I don't think it's over by a long shot, the top 3 table has literally just reversed over the space of just over a week and there's still 6 games to go with all 3 teams evidently vulnerable to dropping points.

Unfortunately however, we look by far the most vulnerable of all right now, and so for sanity's sake, I'm resigned to another season of huge promise ending in flat disappointment, whilst still desperately hoping for one last comeback to see Jurgen off as he so hugely deserves. Whether that's in the PL or EL I'm not actually that fussy.

[Shankly998]

Klopp has done well in what would otherwise be a transitional season to get us challenging for the league. Ultimately though we're too open at the back and ship too many goals god knows how many times we've conceded first in a game and our finishing is erratic to put it mildly. We haven't put in many vintage performances this season which I think is telling there's only so long you can keep grinding out results without playing particularly well l before you revert to the mean. Again all credit to Klopp and the players battling through the injuries but it's just a been a bridge too far this season.

[Legs]

I am not sure people realise how good it has been under Klopp.

Maybe, it is because City have fucked things with needing 90 plus points to win every title and the need for almost perfection each season.

I’m certainly well aware of it and we should really have 3-4 titles under him if things were above board shall we say.

We could get a new guy and we storm it next year but that isn’t likely is it I think next year is same again try get CL footy again and watch these knobs cheat there way title 7/8 seasons and apparently it’s the best league in the world what for the worst officials in the world well that last part is true for sure.

[Eeyore]

We’ve got the worst record in the top 6 games

We were flat track bullies for most of the season but now we can’t even beat shite like palace.

Is that true though.

We have beaten Newcastle home and away, beaten Villa and have three draws and one defeat against Arsenal and City.  Then we have the Spurs game.

[Legs]

Is that true though.

We have beaten Newcastle home and away, beaten Villa and have three draws and one defeat against Arsenal and City.  Then we have the Spurs game.

I thought City had a worse record than us unless they count the win against Villa ?
 
Drew both with us, got 1/6 against Arsenal not beat Chelsea and drew with Spurs at home

[farawayred]

Is that true though.

We have beaten Newcastle home and away, beaten Villa and have three draws and one defeat against Arsenal and City.  Then we have the Spurs game.

He was right last week.

[KevLFC]

Ok.

I don’t know what you point is.

Palace aren’t shite. We should have still won though.

Palace are, they only won 8 games all season. They get rolled over most weeks.

[bornandbRED]

The fourth title City may pip us to in 10 years.

The last decade would have been looked upon as an era of dominance/a dynasty for Liverpool, if not for the oil money. Quite shite really.

[Nick110581]

The fourth title City may pip us to in 10 years.

The last decade would have been looked upon as an era of dominance/a dynasty for Liverpool, if not for the oil money. Quite shite really.

It’s cool though.

They still have 115 charges outstanding and radio silence from the media.

[Schmarn]

City could drop points. Unlikely but they could. But for that to happen they have to be put under pressure. At the moment they’re sat there with their feet up watching us and Arsenal stumble in games which weren’t even our hardest games left. Simply put we’re going to have to sweep the board and let them know they have to be perfect.

If you take each individual game, we should win it. That’s how the boys have to look at it.