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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7920 on: April 3, 2024, 05:44:12 pm »
I was a little excited over the possibility of Alonso. Now he's ruled himself out I'm also a little excited over Amorim. Mind you, I admit that I don't know anything about him other than reports on here. I gave up watching football a while back unless it involves Liverpool, so I've not seen his team play.

From what I have read on him, I'd be interested to see what he could do here with the fantastic squad we have.

None of the other names mentioned have inspired me in any way. Again though, that could be down to my ignorance of their qualities due to me not taking much interest in anything in football outside of LFC these days.

Pretty much where I'm at too.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7921 on: April 3, 2024, 05:44:31 pm »
You're not going to get a high line to work with John Terry.

Makes me laugh when some people try & say that Terry, Rio, & Vidic were all better than VVD. To shut them up I simply ask them what positive traits did they have that big Virg hasn't.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7923 on: April 3, 2024, 05:50:56 pm »
It's a bit daft to point out AVB's failure in the PL. If Amorin does take over he'll be taking over a different club, with different players, & a club that is steeped in a successful history that was achieved the right way. It's also a club where, thanks to Klopp, everyone is pulling in the same direction. I'm pretty sure AVB never had that luxury at Chelsea where arrogance seems to run right through the club.

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« Reply #7924 on: April 3, 2024, 05:51:58 pm »
Makes me laugh when some people try & say that Terry, Rio, & Vidic were all better than VVD. To shut them up I simply ask them what positive traits did they have that big Virg hasn't.

Let's see:

John Terry - full kit wanker
Rio - drugs cheat - and proponent of giving Ole a contract and whatever he wants
Vidic - grabbed Gerrard's balls for another red card.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7925 on: April 3, 2024, 06:33:03 pm »
AVBís failure at Chelsea and Spurs is a bit weird.

Spurs and Chelsea have far too many manager overlaps for teams that supposedly are rivals
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7926 on: April 3, 2024, 07:08:31 pm »
Can we have a little guess game as to when the announcement of new manager will be made official? Let's do the exact day of the month. I'm going with May 1st.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7927 on: April 3, 2024, 07:11:05 pm »
Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

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« Reply #7928 on: April 3, 2024, 07:16:17 pm »
Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

Definitely. It might be the worst kept secret in world football but there won't be an announcement

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7929 on: April 3, 2024, 07:17:09 pm »
Orny or Joycie might announce it though.   ;D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7930 on: April 3, 2024, 07:22:43 pm »
I thought it was already announced by reds memorabilia?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7931 on: April 3, 2024, 07:59:39 pm »
Officially announced? Probably after all meaningful games have been played.

Unofficially announced? Depends on the definition, but I could see a reliable journalist breaking the news even this month if it is done, at the behest of the club, in order to calm down fervent speculation if it gets out of hand.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7933 on: April 3, 2024, 09:14:48 pm »
Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

I don't see why they have to wait until then considering the Taca de Portugal final is on May 26th. I think we will find out soon after the final one way or another.

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« Reply #7934 on: April 3, 2024, 09:26:16 pm »
Interesting video showing Amorim's tactical setup and how it suits Liverpool's current squad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zvf-O0XH4

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7935 on: April 3, 2024, 09:33:09 pm »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBeIF-Tsl8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBeIF-Tsl8</a>
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7936 on: April 3, 2024, 09:43:57 pm »
Interesting video showing Amorim's tactical setup and how it suits Liverpool's current squad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zvf-O0XH4

The only area that needs addressing with 3-4-3 is at the back and we would be needing more CBís. Especially with Matip off contract. We would potentially need 2 more CBís. The rest of the squad looks well suited to this formation with lots of good options.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7937 on: April 3, 2024, 10:25:16 pm »
So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing itís system and hence  itís personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.


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« Reply #7938 on: April 3, 2024, 10:37:23 pm »
For me itís far more important we get the right man in the dugout than continue playing the same system/tactics that we have under Klopp.

Players can learn new systems (as can managers), players can take on different roles etc. as long as they believe in the man stood in the dugout. If heís a winner and he inspires the lads, who gives a fuck whether it starts with a 3 or a 4?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7939 on: April 3, 2024, 10:39:23 pm »
The only area that needs addressing with 3-4-3 is at the back and we would be needing more CBís. Especially with Matip off contract. We would potentially need 2 more CBís. The rest of the squad looks well suited to this formation with lots of good options.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7940 on: April 3, 2024, 10:40:38 pm »
So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing itís system and hence  itís personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.



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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7941 on: April 4, 2024, 06:53:14 am »
So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing itís system and hence  itís personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.



He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7942 on: April 4, 2024, 09:42:53 am »
He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

Yeah. Inverting our RB makes the 433 look much closer to 343 in possession.

Change is no bad thing as look as we still play in a way that facilitates as many points as possible (level 3 football).

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« Reply #7943 on: April 4, 2024, 10:39:01 am »


No one can do Klopps job better than him with the same resources so trying to replicate him is a bad idea, like watching a cover band

we have an excellent squad, some world class players and very good young players coming through, some new ideas and a fresh approach whilst keeping the same DNA:

-Proactive football
-Aggressive pressing
-High line at the back
-Using the full width of the pitch
-Developing and improving players through the academy

The particular formations can change with innovations

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7944 on: April 4, 2024, 11:07:47 am »
He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that heís kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesnít sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7945 on: April 4, 2024, 11:09:44 am »
Yeah. Inverting our RB makes the 433 look much closer to 343 in possession.

Change is no bad thing as look as we still play in a way that facilitates as many points as possible (level 3 football).
Not sure that's really true when Robertson/Bradley for example still play as advanced as they do when we have Trent/Gomez move in to midfield.

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« Reply #7946 on: April 4, 2024, 02:09:50 pm »
The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that heís kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesnít sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.

so he hasnít always played with a back 3? where has he managed a team where heís played a back 4?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7947 on: April 4, 2024, 03:51:46 pm »
Conversations have taken place between Liverpool and Ruben Amorim. He is very much in the frame for the Liverpool job. [@David_Ornstein]

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7948 on: April 4, 2024, 04:09:14 pm »
David Ornstein

My most recent information is that he is very much the frame for Liverpool - not Barcelona - and conversations have taken place. But despite many on the outside suggesting he is the top target, I'm not sure that's the case internally - not because someone else is or he won't become that but because there isn't one while Liverpool continue with what will be a thorough process. Clearly Amorim is a wanted man and I definitely expect him to leave Sporting this summer. I hear the Premier League is his preference and we don't know for sure yet but there could well be multiple vacancies, so even if Liverpool do decide to go for him he will also need to decide if they are where he wants to go. Whoever takes Amorim will need to pay Sporting for his services; I've been told the figure this summer is Ä10m. Others have reported higher but whatever the precise figure it is a lot lower than it was when Chelsea spoke to him before appointing both Potter and then Pochettino. An additional point worth mentioning is that one of Amorim's key staff members is Paulo Barreira, who is an injury prevention / conditioning expert and used to work at Liverpool. If things do develop in the direction of Amorim to Liverpool, Barreira is probably someone to keep an eye on.

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« Reply #7949 on: April 4, 2024, 04:24:15 pm »
All of those "we've had our next manager lined up since November" theories fully in shambles then.

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« Reply #7950 on: April 4, 2024, 04:27:32 pm »
All of those "we've had our next manager lined up since November" theories fully in shambles then.

Yeah. And I imagine any talks are indirect via agents at the moment.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7951 on: April 4, 2024, 04:28:13 pm »
so he hasnít always played with a back 3? where has he managed a team where heís played a back 4?

No idea! Iíve not been following his career closely enough to answer that, but it doesnít matter because the point was about what he might do in the future, not what he has done in the past.

If youíve got a problem with that, take it up with Redmen TV.

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« Reply #7952 on: April 4, 2024, 04:35:23 pm »
Yeah I don't really get the fuss over Amorim playing a back 3. If he wants to do that here what's the issue?  If we wanted someone to continue closely to what we're doing now we'd appoint Pep. Even then he might decide to do something different.

He will have his own ideas and formation may be one of them. It's not like we don't have the players. I'd say we have a very adaptable core group of players that will hopefully be bolstered even more with ones that help new boss to be successful.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #7953 on: April 4, 2024, 04:38:00 pm »
David Ornstein

My most recent information is that he is very much the frame for Liverpool - not Barcelona - and conversations have taken place. But despite many on the outside suggesting he is the top target, I'm not sure that's the case internally - not because someone else is or he won't become that but because there isn't one while Liverpool continue with what will be a thorough process. Clearly Amorim is a wanted man and I definitely expect him to leave Sporting this summer. I hear the Premier League is his preference and we don't know for sure yet but there could well be multiple vacancies, so even if Liverpool do decide to go for him he will also need to decide if they are where he wants to go. Whoever takes Amorim will need to pay Sporting for his services; I've been told the figure this summer is Ä10m. Others have reported higher but whatever the precise figure it is a lot lower than it was when Chelsea spoke to him before appointing both Potter and then Pochettino. An additional point worth mentioning is that one of Amorim's key staff members is Paulo Barreira, who is an injury prevention / conditioning expert and used to work at Liverpool. If things do develop in the direction of Amorim to Liverpool, Barreira is probably someone to keep an eye on.

With Alonso out the picture and De Zerbi and presumably Ljinders ruled out, it's hard to see who else would be the top target.
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« Reply #7954 on: April 4, 2024, 04:44:23 pm »
With Alonso out the picture and De Zerbi and presumably Ljinders ruled out, it's hard to see who else would be the top target.

A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.

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« Reply #7955 on: April 4, 2024, 04:51:06 pm »
The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that heís kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesnít sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.
If Amorim was really adventurous, he could play 3 CB's by using the keeper as one of the CB's between VVD & 1 other CB.

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« Reply #7956 on: April 4, 2024, 04:56:07 pm »
A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.
Few articles saying Nagelsmann doesnít fancy following on from Klopp.

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« Reply #7957 on: April 4, 2024, 04:57:41 pm »
A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.

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« Reply #7958 on: April 4, 2024, 05:13:12 pm »
Yeah this is done. Welcome Rubes.

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« Reply #7959 on: April 4, 2024, 05:27:44 pm »
Few articles saying Nagelsmann doesnít fancy following on from Klopp.

Sounds like bullshit, ruling yourself out of a job on the grounds that you're a giant pussy pretty much rules you out of ever managing that club surely?