Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[Oldmanmick]

It's a bit daft to point out AVB's failure in the PL. If Amorin does take over he'll be taking over a different club, with different players, & a club that is steeped in a successful history that was achieved the right way. It's also a club where, thanks to Klopp, everyone is pulling in the same direction. I'm pretty sure AVB never had that luxury at Chelsea where arrogance seems to run right through the club.

[newterp]

Makes me laugh when some people try & say that Terry, Rio, & Vidic were all better than VVD. To shut them up I simply ask them what positive traits did they have that big Virg hasn't.

Let's see:

John Terry - full kit wanker
Rio - drugs cheat - and proponent of giving Ole a contract and whatever he wants
Vidic - grabbed Gerrard's balls for another red card.

[ScouserAtHeart]

AVB’s failure at Chelsea and Spurs is a bit weird.

Spurs and Chelsea have far too many manager overlaps for teams that supposedly are rivals

[robertobaggio37]

Can we have a little guess game as to when the announcement of new manager will be made official? Let's do the exact day of the month. I'm going with May 1st.

[Samie]

Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

[rafathegaffa83]

Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

Definitely. It might be the worst kept secret in world football but there won't be an announcement

[Samie]

Orny or Joycie might announce it though.   

[Garlic Red]

I thought it was already announced by reds memorabilia?

[G Richards]

Officially announced? Probably after all meaningful games have been played.

Unofficially announced? Depends on the definition, but I could see a reliable journalist breaking the news even this month if it is done, at the behest of the club, in order to calm down fervent speculation if it gets out of hand.

[Coolie High]

For the joke to work - I meant Rio Ferdinand.

https://theathletic.com/5128150/2023/12/19/rio-ferdinand-drugs-test-20-years/

Dammit.

 

[HardworkDedication]

Sporting's last league game is May 19th and they are also in the Cup final. It won;t be announced till after the Champions League final IMO.

I don't see why they have to wait until then considering the Taca de Portugal final is on May 26th. I think we will find out soon after the final one way or another.

[calvin]

Interesting video showing Amorim's tactical setup and how it suits Liverpool's current squad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zvf-O0XH4

[danm77]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBeIF-Tsl8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBeIF-Tsl8</a>

[kiwiscouser]

Interesting video showing Amorim's tactical setup and how it suits Liverpool's current squad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zvf-O0XH4

The only area that needs addressing with 3-4-3 is at the back and we would be needing more CB’s. Especially with Matip off contract. We would potentially need 2 more CB’s. The rest of the squad looks well suited to this formation with lots of good options.

[Oh Jimmy Jimmy]

So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing it’s system and hence  it’s personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.

[Garlic Red]

For me it’s far more important we get the right man in the dugout than continue playing the same system/tactics that we have under Klopp.

Players can learn new systems (as can managers), players can take on different roles etc. as long as they believe in the man stood in the dugout. If he’s a winner and he inspires the lads, who gives a fuck whether it starts with a 3 or a 4?

[lionel_messias]

The only area that needs addressing with 3-4-3 is at the back and we would be needing more CB’s. Especially with Matip off contract. We would potentially need 2 more CB’s. The rest of the squad looks well suited to this formation with lots of good options.

Van Den Berg back and buy Gonzalo Inacio.

Job done!

[lionel_messias]

So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing it’s system and hence  it’s personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.

The Klopp era will sadly be over. You have to move on, we have to move on.

Evolution yes, but the new manager brings his own broom. Twas ever thus my friend.

[spider-neil]

So this is the issue, why upset a side which has been one of the best teams in world football for the past six years by changing it’s system and hence  it’s personnel and roles.

We are not United currently , nor Liverpool in 04 or 15 when we needed Rafa and Jurgen to  come in and build a new side. We are more like us in 74 or 85 when Bob and Kenny came in and tweaked what was already working.

If Ruben just tweaks then great, but changing the system seems unnecessary.

He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

[Knight]

He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

Yeah. Inverting our RB makes the 433 look much closer to 343 in possession.

Change is no bad thing as look as we still play in a way that facilitates as many points as possible (level 3 football).

[Asam]

No one can do Klopps job better than him with the same resources so trying to replicate him is a bad idea, like watching a cover band

we have an excellent squad, some world class players and very good young players coming through, some new ideas and a fresh approach whilst keeping the same DNA:

-Proactive football
-Aggressive pressing
-High line at the back
-Using the full width of the pitch
-Developing and improving players through the academy

The particular formations can change with innovations

[smutchin]

He plays with a back three so the system will change but the hope is it isn't a huge change because we pretty much do that already when the fullback inverts.

The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that he’s kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesn’t sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.

[Chris~]

Yeah. Inverting our RB makes the 433 look much closer to 343 in possession.

Change is no bad thing as look as we still play in a way that facilitates as many points as possible (level 3 football).

Not sure that's really true when Robertson/Bradley for example still play as advanced as they do when we have Trent/Gomez move in to midfield.

[Asam]

The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that he’s kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesn’t sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.

so he hasn’t always played with a back 3? where has he managed a team where he’s played a back 4?

[Caston]

Conversations have taken place between Liverpool and Ruben Amorim. He is very much in the frame for the Liverpool job. [@David_Ornstein]

[HardworkDedication]

David Ornstein

My most recent information is that he is very much the frame for Liverpool - not Barcelona - and conversations have taken place. But despite many on the outside suggesting he is the top target, I'm not sure that's the case internally - not because someone else is or he won't become that but because there isn't one while Liverpool continue with what will be a thorough process. Clearly Amorim is a wanted man and I definitely expect him to leave Sporting this summer. I hear the Premier League is his preference and we don't know for sure yet but there could well be multiple vacancies, so even if Liverpool do decide to go for him he will also need to decide if they are where he wants to go. Whoever takes Amorim will need to pay Sporting for his services; I've been told the figure this summer is €10m. Others have reported higher but whatever the precise figure it is a lot lower than it was when Chelsea spoke to him before appointing both Potter and then Pochettino. An additional point worth mentioning is that one of Amorim's key staff members is Paulo Barreira, who is an injury prevention / conditioning expert and used to work at Liverpool. If things do develop in the direction of Amorim to Liverpool, Barreira is probably someone to keep an eye on.

[Schmidt]

All of those "we've had our next manager lined up since November" theories fully in shambles then.

[Peabee]

All of those "we've had our next manager lined up since November" theories fully in shambles then.

Yeah. And I imagine any talks are indirect via agents at the moment.

[smutchin]

so he hasn’t always played with a back 3? where has he managed a team where he’s played a back 4?

No idea! I’ve not been following his career closely enough to answer that, but it doesn’t matter because the point was about what he might do in the future, not what he has done in the past.

If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with Redmen TV.

[B0151?]

Yeah I don't really get the fuss over Amorim playing a back 3. If he wants to do that here what's the issue?  If we wanted someone to continue closely to what we're doing now we'd appoint Pep. Even then he might decide to do something different.

He will have his own ideas and formation may be one of them. It's not like we don't have the players. I'd say we have a very adaptable core group of players that will hopefully be bolstered even more with ones that help new boss to be successful.

[Fromola]

David Ornstein

My most recent information is that he is very much the frame for Liverpool - not Barcelona - and conversations have taken place. But despite many on the outside suggesting he is the top target, I'm not sure that's the case internally - not because someone else is or he won't become that but because there isn't one while Liverpool continue with what will be a thorough process. Clearly Amorim is a wanted man and I definitely expect him to leave Sporting this summer. I hear the Premier League is his preference and we don't know for sure yet but there could well be multiple vacancies, so even if Liverpool do decide to go for him he will also need to decide if they are where he wants to go. Whoever takes Amorim will need to pay Sporting for his services; I've been told the figure this summer is €10m. Others have reported higher but whatever the precise figure it is a lot lower than it was when Chelsea spoke to him before appointing both Potter and then Pochettino. An additional point worth mentioning is that one of Amorim's key staff members is Paulo Barreira, who is an injury prevention / conditioning expert and used to work at Liverpool. If things do develop in the direction of Amorim to Liverpool, Barreira is probably someone to keep an eye on.

With Alonso out the picture and De Zerbi and presumably Ljinders ruled out, it's hard to see who else would be the top target.

[Schmidt]

With Alonso out the picture and De Zerbi and presumably Ljinders ruled out, it's hard to see who else would be the top target.

A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.

[petercormack]

The Redmen TV thing the other day made the good point that he’s kind of tied to a back three because he has a rubbish keeper who doesn’t sweep. Having Alisson at the back (or Kelleher) massively opens up your options.

I doubt there will be any rush to overhaul the squad but we do need to bolster our centre back options anyway, regardless of who the next manager is and whatever formation they play.

If Amorim was really adventurous, he could play 3 CB's by using the keeper as one of the CB's between VVD & 1 other CB.

[Wool]

A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.

Few articles saying Nagelsmann doesn’t fancy following on from Klopp.

[Bennett]

A few other names have been thrown around in here like Hoeness, Nagelsmann, possibly Slot? I don't know much about any of them though beyond Nagelsmann.

May I be the first to say 'yikes'.

[Samie]

Yeah this is done. Welcome Rubes.

[Schmidt]

Few articles saying Nagelsmann doesn’t fancy following on from Klopp.

Sounds like bullshit, ruling yourself out of a job on the grounds that you're a giant pussy pretty much rules you out of ever managing that club surely?

[HeartAndSoul]

Sounds like bullshit, ruling yourself out of a job on the grounds that you're a giant pussy pretty much rules you out of ever managing that club surely?

Genuinely think that’s one of the reasons Alonso has knocked us back too. Too big of a task to follow on from Klopp or he’s assurances to take over the Madrid job the following summer.

[SamLad]

Genuinely think that’s one of the reasons Alonso has knocked us back too. Too big of a task to follow on from Klopp or he’s assurances to take over the Madrid job the following summer.

or he feels a sense of loyalty to BL and its fans.

[Legs]

Few articles saying Nagelsmann doesn’t fancy following on from Klopp.

Well I hope so as I dont fancy him managing us either !