Topic: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I posted this about Taylor 3 years ago

And that's how he reffed yesterday - Bradley on a yellow early, Maguire doing his WWE impressions and not getting a card, Rat Fernandes diving all game, Ambrabat does a blatant dive in front of him and they get a free after Luis was fouled, Casemiro getting a yellow for a potential ankle breaker. Its not some high level plot, its how they use personal bias

Yep

[Avens]

I posted this about Taylor 3 years ago

And that's how he reffed yesterday - Bradley on a yellow early, Maguire doing his WWE impressions and not getting a card, Rat Fernandes diving all game, Ambrabat does a blatant dive in front of him and they get a free after Luis was fouled, Casemiro getting a yellow for a potential ankle breaker. Its not some high level plot, its how they use personal bias

His refereeing was absolutely fine yesterday. Again.

[Redley]

His refereeing was absolutely fine yesterday. Again.

It honestly wasn't. And it didn't cost us the game, our own poor finishing and game management did that, but he wasn't absolutely fine (I mean...mainly for the reasons Rob listed and you decided to just go 'oh he was fine').

[Avens]

It honestly wasn't. And it didn't cost us the game, our own poor finishing and game management did that, but he wasn't absolutely fine (I mean...mainly for the reasons Rob listed and you decided to just go 'oh he was fine').

He was fine. This game is not the one to hang your hat on lads. None of us here are going to do an equivalent list to Rob's, but Man Utd fans would find plenty of similar level decisions they felt went against them, while ignoring those ones that Rob identified. That's the nature of it all though isn't it - I get it, but he was fine.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

The weird one for me was booking Bradley. Nine times out of 10 these days they let those challenges go when they play advantage, especially that early in the game. I mean remember Joelinton against us earlier this season? Same referee wasn't it? That was a far more blatant yellow.

Taylor could have let Bradley off if he wanted to. Instead he chose not to. That suggests some bias to me. He's not the reason we didn't win the game, but I did think he gave an awful lot of 50/50's their way. Quite a few where they appeared to foul us first, before we then fouled back to win the ball back, and we'd be penalised. A lot of them involved Diaz.

I guess that's more standard when playing away from home. But like I say, the Bradley thing was unusual.

[Eeyore]

The weird one for me was booking Bradley. Nine times out of 10 these days they let those challenges go when they play advantage, especially that early in the game. I mean remember Joelinton against us earlier this season? Same referee wasn't it? That was a far more blatant yellow.

Taylor could have let Bradley off if he wanted to. Instead he chose not to. That suggests some bias to me. He's not the reason we didn't win the game, but I did think he gave an awful lot of 50/50's their way. Quite a few where they appeared to foul us first, before we then fouled back to win the ball back, and we'd be penalised. A lot of them involved Diaz.

I guess that's more standard when playing away from home. But like I say, the Bradley thing was unusual.

Yeah it was Taylor who played on when Joelinton used two fists to smash Szobozslai to the ground to try and stop a promising attack. The PGMOL then came out and backed Taylor stating that because it was only a promising attack and not a DOGSO then if you play on then you cannot come back and book the player.

Taylor must have used the Liverpool player clause that is in all of the laws of the game.

[Redley]

Taylor bear in mind was ref for the Abu Dhabi/Arsenal game where he was infamously lenient because he ‘didn’t want to ruin the game’

[Andy @ Allerton!]

His refereeing was absolutely fine yesterday. Again.

So. Just to get this straight - a two footed lunge from distance straight through a players ankle with no booking...

.... was... er... fine?

[Avens]

So. Just to get this straight - a two footed lunge from distance straight through a players ankle with no booking...

.... was... er... fine?

It was on the aggressive side, but he very cleanly won the ball. I think we've had reds for softer, frustratingly, but I'd have been pissed off if we'd seen red for that tackle.

Andy, honestly, try to imagine a world where Endo made that tackle. Do you genuinely think a red card would have been fair?

Taylor was fine this time. As he was last time and the time before that. He'll definitely have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes in the future, he's human, but I don't think there's any evidence of any anti-Liverpool bias affecting his performance in these last few games.

[wah00ey]

It was on the aggressive side, but he very cleanly won the ball. I think we've had reds for softer, frustratingly, but I'd have been pissed off if we'd seen red for that tackle.

Andy, honestly, try to imagine a world where Endo made that tackle. Do you genuinely think a red card would have been fair?

Taylor was fine this time. As he was last time and the time before that. He'll definitely have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes in the future, he's human, but I don't think there's any evidence of any anti-Liverpool bias affecting his performance in these last few games.

Endo wouldn't have made a tackle like that.  Casemeiro does it regularly and referees should be looking to clamp down on him.

And as for "very cleanly won the ball" you must seriously be on something if that's what you're seeing. 

[Redley]

It was on the aggressive side, but he very cleanly won the ball. I think we've had reds for softer, frustratingly, but I'd have been pissed off if we'd seen red for that tackle.

Andy, honestly, try to imagine a world where Endo made that tackle. Do you genuinely think a red card would have been fair?

Taylor was fine this time. As he was last time and the time before that. He'll definitely have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes in the future, he's human, but I don't think there's any evidence of any anti-Liverpool bias affecting his performance in these last few games.

Solid trolling this, really good stuff

https://streamin.me/v/861901be

Very cleanly, fucking hell

[GreatEx]

It was on the aggressive side, but he very cleanly won the ball. I think we've had reds for softer, frustratingly, but I'd have been pissed off if we'd seen red for that tackle.

Andy, honestly, try to imagine a world where Endo made that tackle. Do you genuinely think a red card would have been fair?

Taylor was fine this time. As he was last time and the time before that. He'll definitely have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes in the future, he's human, but I don't think there's any evidence of any anti-Liverpool bias affecting his performance in these last few games.

Are we taking about the same tackle?

very much so... as well as being out of control too:-

Casemiro ankle-high jump challenge on 90+7' (no VAR review?; yellow card) - https://streamin.one/v/861901be & https://xcancel.com/Ballmegamind/status/1777013556879220995

How on earth is that a clean win of the ball / not fulfilling all the criteria of a red card offence?

[Redley]

Looks very clean to me

[GreatEx]

They both came in high.

[RedSince86]

That's a tackle a Mancunian from Wythenshawe thinks is won clean.

Nothing to see here.

[Avens]

Are we taking about the same tackle?

How on earth is that a clean win of the ball / not fulfilling all the criteria of a red card offence?

Oooft, fair enough - that looks worse than I remembered it. You'll forgive me for not racing to watch replays of the game 

Yeah looks a red to me. Probably should've been flagged by Atwell on VAR.

[Son of Spion]

Oooft, fair enough - that looks worse than I remembered it. You'll forgive me for not racing to watch replays of the game 

Yeah looks a red to me. Probably should've been flagged by Atwell on VAR.

I did think your judgement was well off in your other post. 

He never got near the ball, did he. A stonewall straight red card there all day long. A potential ankle smasher.

[GreatEx]

Cheers Avens, honestly thought I had lost the plot there

Obviously the decision had no bearing on the result, in fact at this point I kind of want Man U to get a bit of a run going so they have something to play for against the Arse, so Casemiro not getting banned is sort of good for us (this post will age terribly when Arse beat them 12-0). But it is a truly astonishing bit of refereeing. Is this another one of those "unwritten rules"?

[rob1966]

very much so... as well as being out of control too:-

Casemiro ankle-high jump challenge on 90+7' (no VAR review?; yellow card) - https://streamin.one/v/861901be & https://xcancel.com/Ballmegamind/status/1777013556879220995

Nothing to see here, good process boys

Jones does that, its get to the screen Anthony for a review , the contact from the second picture shown to baldy as he gets there and then a full speed "oh look its a leg breaker" and a 6 game ban

[Hymer Red]

Nothing to see here, good process boys

Jones does that, its get to the screen Anthony for a review , the contact from the second picture shown to baldy as he gets there and then a full speed "oh look its a leg breaker" and a 6 game ban

Kinell hes looking right at it. VAR has no need to get involved at all. Its a red all day long every day and if its not its as clear a case of bias you are likely to see.

[rob1966]

Kinell hes looking right at it. VAR has no need to get involved at all. Its a red all day long every day and if its not its as clear a case of bias you are likely to see.

Its the same as the Pogba one that took out Keita, the only differences are Luis didn't leave on a stretcher and VAR didn't tell him to look at the monitor.

[kiwiscouser]

They both came in high.

Diaz clearly comes into his space there 😂

[Corrie Nick]

While I wanted a red for that it wouldn’t really have changed the game given the timing of it. Would just have given them a “you couldn’t beat 10 men” kind of shit chat opportunity. And I’m not really arsed if he’d banned for future games or not.

[rob1966]

While I wanted a red for that it wouldn’t really have changed the game given the timing of it. Would just have given them a “you couldn’t beat 10 men” kind of shit chat opportunity. And I’m not really arsed if he’d banned for future games or not.

Not the outcome no, but when a c*nt like Casemiro knows he can go flying in like that when Taylor is ref and only get a yellow, someone is going to get injured. We could easily have lost Luis for the season with that tackle.

[Draex]

Let's face it as well with the extra mass Casimero is carrying he should be catagorised as a lethal weapon.

[Corrie Nick]

Not the outcome no, but when a c*nt like Casemiro knows he can go flying in like that when Taylor is ref and only get a yellow, someone is going to get injured. We could easily have lost Luis for the season with that tackle.

Fair point. Fucking pumpkin headed twat.

Don’t like Casemiro either.

[rob1966]

Let's face it as well with the extra mass Casimero is carrying he should be catagorised as a lethal weapon.

I'm surprised he stopped, rather than carrying on and ending up in the North Stand

[Draex]

I'm surprised he stopped, rather than carrying on and ending up in the North Stand

It was a proper old man I'm committed fuck this shit I've already ran here terrible tackle.

[Draex]

Fair point. Fucking pumpkin headed twat.

Don’t like Casemiro either.

Is it Taylor or Rob whose a pumpkin headed twat? Just for clarity.

[Eeyore]

Not the outcome no, but when a c*nt like Casemiro knows he can go flying in like that when Taylor is ref and only get a yellow, someone is going to get injured. We could easily have lost Luis for the season with that tackle.

It wasn't just Casemiro though Rob.

I don't think I have seen a game in the modern era with so many slide tackles by one side. They continually won the ball back at the start of the game and after they equalised by taking a chance and flying into slide tackles. The reason that happens for me is because they know how soft Taylor is.

Going to ground and flying into challenges and not winning the ball ends up in a yellow as a minimum and usually a Red.

That doesn't happen at Old Trafford when Taylor is referee.

This was given as a yellow by Taylor before the VAR intervened.


This was given as a yellow by Taylor.



This was given as a yellow by Taylor.



It was said before the game that Taylor would allow the likes of Casemiro to get away with murder and he did.

[farawayred]

In all cases both players came high, Al. Correct call. Good process!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

They both came in high.

Good process, boys

[Corrie Nick]

Is it Taylor or Rob whose a pumpkin headed twat? Just for clarity.

I absolutely meant Rob. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.

[Eeyore]

In all cases both players came high, Al. Correct call. Good process!

As Attwell said "the Liverpool players are coming into the United's players space".

There is a clear precedent at Old Trafford for this kind of behaviour. If Solskjaer has the good grace not to use the parking space of a manager who retired a decade ago. Then why do these scouse c*nts think they can just turn up and challenge for the ball.

Webb said "All the opposition players have done a MacAllister and not really looked to play the ball". " This is how bad simulation has got, all three have tried to con the referee into believing they were in possession"

Owen said "I know it could have ended three players' careers but I am not sure Howard. What was it you wanted me to say again?

Dean said "That was when I forgot to pay the sky bill and haven't seen any of those assaults but I think the referee has got all three right".

[Draex]

I absolutely meant Rob. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.

Good process.

[darragh85]

if the season finishes as the table looks now, i hope the club has kept something in the back pocket since that Spurs game.

We should have had some breathing space heading into these games which would have taken some of the pressure off.

[Nick110581]

if the season finishes as the table looks now, i hope the club has kept something in the back pocket since that Spurs game.

We should have had some breathing space heading into these games which would have taken some of the pressure off.

What are you on about ?

[CHOPPER]

What are you on about ?

That in two brief sentences, epitomises the mania in the thread.

The thread should be placed firmly in the DAWK vaults of embarrassment.

[darragh85]

if we end up losing a league title by 2 points we can surely point to that game and what happened as the difference.

we requested the VAR audio via a carefully worded statement but never followed up with any comment on it again.

[farawayred]

if we end up losing a league title by 2 points we can surely point to that game and what happened as the difference.

we requested the VAR audio via a carefully worded statement but never followed up with any comment on it again.

And do what with that? PGMOL is the sole arbiter for PL matters. There is no overseeing body. They are not accountable to anyone, including the PL. They cannot be taken to court even at CAS.