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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9840 on: February 11, 2024, 02:09:17 pm »
Leicester didn't sign anyone last season because they played to the rules. Everton signed Onana, Mcneil, Tarkowski, Maupay, Gueye and Coady either for a decent fee or big wages.

Leicester got relegated

The 'sporting punishment' argument is one of the most stupid arguments I've ever heard from them. Of course they benefitted on the pitch  :butt
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9841 on: February 11, 2024, 02:11:51 pm »
They all seem to have taken a snippet from some article in the Mail that claimed they're basically being punished for building a stadium, as gospel. Not sure who wrote it, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Martin Samuel, but I've seen it tweeted numerous times now by Blues when people have called their club out for cheating.
I don't get the claims of corruption, they make no sense. They were punished for cheating, are they claiming that they were harshly punished because there is a conspiracy against them? Someone, somewhere paying brown paper bags of cash to make sure they recieve  a 10 points deduction rather than uh, not sure, but a number less than 10?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9842 on: February 11, 2024, 02:20:11 pm »
Perhaps someone can answer this one for me- why is Moshiri so adamant about selling to 777? As the long post above indicated, this is now week 21 of what should've been a process that took half as long. I don't understand why Moshiri didn't look around for new investors around week 14. (I sort of understand why he's not doing that NOW, as the post touched upon- what investor is going to want to pay all that debt for a club that might be relegated?)

It's always just seemed odd how it was 777 or no one for Moshiri.

Presumably nobody else stupid enough to take that debt on..alternative is administration and then Moshiri won't get any money back.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9843 on: February 11, 2024, 02:23:35 pm »
A dodgy owner preferring to sell to a dodgy buyer isn't a shock really. If there is a better prospective buyer out there my guess is they'd rather wait until the club goes into administration and the debts of their previous failures are written off before they think about showing an interest.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9844 on: February 11, 2024, 02:24:11 pm »
He'd mostly likely be a very useful addition to a lot of the midtable PL sides, but I agree, no idea why so many think he would be in any way suited to stepping up to our level of expectations on a defender.

Nat Phillips  would look great in a Dyche team or Maguire.

They park the bus most weeks and are all about low block, height, physicality and last ditch blocks.

Similar to how Pickford is suited to the Dyche/Southgate tactics. Put Pickford or Tarkowski in a highline and a ball playing team and less so. Don't know how quick BranthwIte is or how good he is on the ball, but he's no Virg.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9845 on: February 11, 2024, 02:25:16 pm »
The only way everton fans can complain about corruption is if they mean because man city still havent been punished and they have, which to a point they have a legitimate claim. seeing as they , as a fan base, have cheered and lauded city as they cheated their way past us to titles negates all of this, meaning they are just a set of thick twats.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9846 on: February 11, 2024, 02:31:33 pm »
I understand in a way why people want to blame the fans, but you know any decently run club would have their own sensible plan to run the club on. Therefore the blame has to go on the those at the club who have taken disastrous after disastrous decision. The bottom line is if they had a good plan in the first place they would not have got into the mess that they have. That cannot be blamed on the fans at the end of the day. Fans are the same the world over, they will demand signings, or want managers sacked. But if you have a good system in place you make the decisions correctly without putting the club out on a cliff of slime, that they are currently on.

Its a collective responsibilty for me, the club being run by people who didn't know what they were doing and a rabble who boo'ed hissed and made things unworkable for the manager, instead of actually backing whoever was in the job. They wanted Ancelotti, awful appointment as he was never going to stay, they hounded Silva and Martinez out the club, went ballistic when Rafa got the job, and demanded Lampard replaced him - they're reaoing what they sow.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9847 on: February 11, 2024, 03:02:38 pm »
There's really no way out for them but eventual administration. Really sucks for their fans, not fair for them. But this is kind of crazy and the music will stop at some point.

Sorry Dave, but even when Moshiri first arrived, if you tried to tell a blue that Moshiri was dodgy, all you got in response was “jealous” or “we’re rich now watch out”.
Pointing out that the stadium was a millstone.
Again, “you are just jealous because we will have an iconic stadium”
Ask where the money was coming from?
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I have family who actually said that if a manger is not doing the business then sack him, when it was pointed out that it was costing money, the response was “we’re too big to go under.”
The arrogant way they spray painted “Lampard in” and all cheered for Frankie, because he got them. He got them alright, he got them to spend even more money they didn’t have, but they didn’t care.
Rafa got shafted because they were pretending to stay within limits by selling Digne to bring in players, but that wasn’t good enough.
They can’t complain mate. They were all for it, if it meant they dreamt they could swagger round town.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9848 on: February 11, 2024, 04:32:44 pm »
I don't get the claims of corruption, they make no sense. They were punished for cheating, are they claiming that they were harshly punished because there is a conspiracy against them? Someone, somewhere paying brown paper bags of cash to make sure they recieve  a 10 points deduction rather than uh, not sure, but a number less than 10?

Corruption is a funny one to me.

1: Everton FC are the Premier League along with the other 19 clubs. They vote and put all the rules in place.

2: It wasn't the Premier League who punished them. It was an Independant Commission. A 3 person commission outside the PL.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9849 on: February 11, 2024, 04:51:39 pm »
So, Ire read that article, then went on toffeeweb to read the responses. The ESK always writes with authority and as the only Everton fan writing about their finances, you kind of have to accept what he says is true. However, I always find the same thing with his articles. Good when the detailed evidence is there to draw on, but when he starts speculating with his own figures it becomes less useful and when he starts into rumours I stop reading.

So, £1 billion in debt... but a large tranche of that is in long term debt that costs nothing to service, so can pretty much be ignored. What's killing them is high interest, short-term debt. The means to solving that is, apparently, selling the club to the short term lenders and then hoping Moshiri writes off or defers the payment of approx £500 million and the new owners (777) convert their loans into shares or goodwill 'equity'. Neither of those are guaranteed. ESK reckons 777 are bad and Everton should hold out for a mystery buyer that rumours say are just waiting to swoop. That mystery buyer would need to pay off a billion in debt (since there would be no loans to convert), service the stadium build (which doesn't finish for another 18 months. I am also less convinced there is only a £100m more to be paid) and revamp the squad currently fighting relegation.

That mystery buyer would not only have to spend a billion plus, they would also need to find ways to maximise the stadium revenue to make the build worthwhile, service any loans and make Everton commercially successful in a city dominated by one of the biggest clubs in the world. Admittedly the departure of Klopp (and likely slump thereafter) gives them a window of opportunity, but it's a mighty task. Particularly since Liverpool FC have already revamped their stadium and increased capacity to 61,000. If there is a mystery buyer you would have to wonder why they have yet to come forward? Some suggestions from the fanbase forums are that Moshiri favours 777. You would have to wonder how bad the other bid is for him to seek out bad investors in lieu.

The article starts with a terrifying outlay of cash (a billion in debt! a bilion! 5-6 times annual revenue!), then explains how it could be worse, then explains how it could get worse very fast, speaks glowingly about the new stadium saving the day before ending on an upbeat note about mystery buyers. Tis a curate's egg of a piece I must say.
Pretty good consensus that their debt payment is £50pa. And that’s  before the 777 loans.  A real risk that they go into administration at some time in the near future …
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9850 on: February 11, 2024, 05:25:57 pm »
Leicester didn't sign anyone last season because they played to the rules. Everton signed Onana, Mcneil, Tarkowski, Maupay, Gueye and Coady either for a decent fee or big wages.

Leicester got relegated
There you go. Their advantage right there. It's amazing the likes of Sean Douche cannot see this.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9851 on: February 11, 2024, 11:25:08 pm »

That mystery buyer would not only have to spend a billion plus, they would also need to find ways to maximise the stadium revenue to make the build worthwhile, service any loans and make Everton commercially successful in a city dominated by one of the biggest clubs in the world. Admittedly the departure of Klopp (and likely slump thereafter) gives them a window of opportunity, but it's a mighty task. Particularly since Liverpool FC have already revamped their stadium and increased capacity to 61,000.

Even prior to Klopp, everton's own survey produced figures of 50% reds, 25% blues and 25% no interest for the football support in the city and you'd have to think their position has dropped from that level by now too.

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« Reply #9852 on: February 11, 2024, 11:29:29 pm »
There you go. Their advantage right there. It's amazing the likes of Sean Douche cannot see this.

He obviously sees it just fine and is just taking the modern approach of repeating a long for long enough until enough people believe it.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9853 on: February 12, 2024, 12:37:15 am »
That mystery buyer would not only have to spend a billion plus, they would also need to find ways to maximise the stadium revenue to make the build worthwhile, service any loans and make Everton commercially successful in a city dominated by one of the biggest clubs in the world. Admittedly the departure of Klopp (and likely slump thereafter) gives them a window of opportunity, but it's a mighty task. Particularly since Liverpool FC have already revamped their stadium and increased capacity to 61,000. If there is a mystery buyer you would have to wonder why they have yet to come forward? Some suggestions from the fanbase forums are that Moshiri favours 777. You would have to wonder how bad the other bid is for him to seek out bad investors in lieu.
Exactly, what made Newcastle attractive was that they owned the patch, no local competition, market to themselves and 52,000 capacity paid for.
Everton is loaded with risk, that's aside from the death threats to board owners if they don't make Everton a top club.
I can think of many more clubs that would be a better bet than Everton, and a whole lot cheaper if they were available.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9854 on: February 12, 2024, 04:39:21 am »
I’m not sure if the amount of the latest PSR breach has been released.
If they’ve breached the figure by a greater amount than the previous year I’d guess they are fucked, haven’t got a leg to stand on. Done fuck all to curb the losses etc..
I think their appeal result will be released this week for their original breach, so I’d imagine we’d then hear their punishment for the most recent breach.

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« Reply #9855 on: February 12, 2024, 06:31:18 am »
Leicester didn't sign anyone last season because they played to the rules. Everton signed Onana, Mcneil, Tarkowski, Maupay, Gueye and Coady either for a decent fee or big wages.

Leicester got relegated

Southampton, Leeds, Leicester and Everton all wasted hundreds of millions on average players.  When it started to go south due to the bad signings, three of those clubs pulled their oars in so they wouldn't break the 3 year spending rules, all three were relegated.

Everton kept spending, very clearly by more than the rules allow, and it led to them staying in the division at a scrape.  The sporting advantage couldn't be clearer.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9856 on: February 12, 2024, 08:05:40 am »
The 'sporting punishment' argument is one of the most stupid arguments I've ever heard from them. Of course they benefitted on the pitch  :butt

They seem to equate getting worse on the pitch to not benefitting, without realising that they would have been even worse had they stuck to the rules.

Onana is the perfect example. They claim they got no sporting advantage - yet also think this player that they signed is now worth over double what they paid for him.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9857 on: February 12, 2024, 09:54:47 am »
Leicester didn't sign anyone last season because they played to the rules. Everton signed Onana, Mcneil, Tarkowski, Maupay, Gueye and Coady either for a decent fee or big wages.

Leicester got relegated
Onana, McNeill, Tarkowski and, to a lesser extent, Gueye have all become integral parts of their team.  Swap out Onana, McNeill and Tarkowski for Gomes, Dobbin and Keane and they'd have far fewer points.

Maupay not working out for them is a bit of a mystery as he seems a good stylistic fit; small-time with a chip on his shoulder.

I'm not sure with Leicester though if the lack of spending was down to P&S or because their owners were struggling for cash flow.  Weren't there rumours that Rodgers only lasted as long as he did because the owners couldn't afford to fire him (which they did eventually so maybe a load of bollocks!)?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9858 on: February 12, 2024, 10:56:39 am »
Pretty good consensus that their debt payment is £50pa. And that’s  before the 777 loans.  A real risk that they go into administration at some time in the near future …
If it's costing them £50m per annum to service loans and they are paying 90% of their revenue on wages (say £165m of £185m approx), even if the new build is worth an extra £30m per annum they are still scootered imo.
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« Reply #9859 on: February 12, 2024, 11:52:53 am »
Onana, McNeill, Tarkowski and, to a lesser extent, Gueye have all become integral parts of their team.  Swap out Onana, McNeill and Tarkowski for Gomes, Dobbin and Keane and they'd have far fewer points.

Maupay not working out for them is a bit of a mystery as he seems a good stylistic fit; small-time with a chip on his shoulder.

I'm not sure with Leicester though if the lack of spending was down to P&S or because their owners were struggling for cash flow.  Weren't there rumours that Rodgers only lasted as long as he did because the owners couldn't afford to fire him (which they did eventually so maybe a load of bollocks!)?

I think they made a near 100 million loss in their last accounts, although some Covid losses to factor in (not fraudulently like some).

They'd maxed out their wage bill but struggled to move players in their last year on and were reluctant to spend without getting wages down first. The ownerw were affected in terms of their business by Covid as well which didn't help.

They gave Rodgers a huge contract so would have cost them a lot to get rid. Unfortunately he went into his lost the plot Mourinho mode once he had that huge contract sorted. They eventually bit the bullet and got rid but it was too late in the season.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9860 on: February 12, 2024, 11:57:00 am »
If it's costing them £50m per annum to service loans and they are paying 90% of their revenue on wages (say £165m of £185m approx), even if the new build is worth an extra £30m per annum they are still scootered imo.

An extra 30 mill from the stadium per year, to the 20 at Goodison,  would be contingent on European football and high ticket prices.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9861 on: February 12, 2024, 03:55:37 pm »
An extra 30 mill from the stadium per year, to the 20 at Goodison,  would be contingent on European football and high ticket prices.


An extra 30 mill from the stadium per year, to the 20 at Goodison, would be contingent on Everton being good and making the mob angry, neither of which are feasible, for different reasons.


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« Reply #9862 on: February 12, 2024, 04:05:37 pm »
Onana, McNeill, Tarkowski and, to a lesser extent, Gueye have all become integral parts of their team.  Swap out Onana, McNeill and Tarkowski for Gomes, Dobbin and Keane and they'd have far fewer points.

Maupay not working out for them is a bit of a mystery as he seems a good stylistic fit; small-time with a chip on his shoulder.

I'm not sure with Leicester though if the lack of spending was down to P&S or because their owners were struggling for cash flow.  Weren't there rumours that Rodgers only lasted as long as he did because the owners couldn't afford to fire him (which they did eventually so maybe a load of bollocks!)?

Schmeichel said in an interview that they had to move him on, and wouldn't extend Tielemans because of FFP.

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« Reply #9863 on: February 12, 2024, 04:10:25 pm »
Schmeichel said in an interview that they had to move him on, and wouldn't extend Tielemans because of FFP.

Crucially they never replaced Schmeichel.

For his faults Pickford is a good standard mid-range Premier League goalkeeper and won them plenty of points. Leicester had Danny Ward and Iverson who between them were pretty hopeless and cost them a lot of points, they're not PL level keepers. Nor did they replace Fofana at the back. As a result they had no solidity (bearing in mind Rodgers's teams are brittle at the best of times).
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« Reply #9864 on: February 12, 2024, 04:21:42 pm »
Crucially they never replaced Schmeichel.

For his faults Pickford is a good standard mid-range Premier League goalkeeper and won them plenty of points. Leicester had Danny Ward and Iverson who between them were pretty hopeless and cost them a lot of points, they're not PL level keepers. Nor did they replace Fofana at the back. As a result they had no solidity.
Ward being their first choice for much of the season really hurt them and them then turning to Iversen in desperation was a bit like us all getting fed up with Mignolet's bad form and then finding out our reserve goalkeeper was Adam Bogdan!

I don't think either have played a game for them this season despite them dropping down a division.

I think if you put any other Premier League goalkeeper in goal for Leicester last season they'd have stayed up.  If only they'd known they could falsely put a disproportionate chunk of those losses down to Covid and then sign a proficient goalkeeper.  As others have said though their transfer incomings in those last few seasons were generally terrible; £12.5m for Ward being one of the worst.  Daka, Soumare and Vestergaard were all awful for them in that relegation season.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9865 on: February 12, 2024, 04:29:44 pm »
Remember, Everton only stayed up on the basis of one goal.


The advantage did not have to be seismic, someone to clean the mud off their boots at half time would have probably done it.
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« Reply #9866 on: February 12, 2024, 06:02:53 pm »
Seen a discussion before about Premier League-era Everton teams. Would there be any PL era Everton player who'd get in our side now? A peak Beardsley or Rooney would (neither of which Everton got in the Premier League, similar with PL era Southall). I'd still say Rooney though, at least in rotation with our forward line (from his first spell at Everton).  Beyond that i'm struggling. Obviously the likes of Gazza or Ginola were well past it when they went there.

Yet the amount of times the Echo or blues would run combined XI's with half their players in ours.
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« Reply #9867 on: February 12, 2024, 06:20:06 pm »
Peak Beardsley played for us  ;D
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Most of their supporters are just like us, decent people so I am not going to argue with any of them

That is my take

So its red cartel now and cheating scumbags sticking together, blame everyone else but themselves ;D

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9869 on: February 12, 2024, 07:22:45 pm »
Remember, Everton only stayed up on the basis of one goal.


The advantage did not have to be seismic, someone to clean the mud off their boots at half time would have probably done it.

Or to put it another way, one missed/saved penalty.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9870 on: February 12, 2024, 07:32:36 pm »
So its red cartel now and cheating scumbags sticking together, blame everyone else but themselves ;D

I hope that idiot isn’t actually from Liverpool, imagine brown nosing fanbases that sing ‘feed the Scousers’ on a regular basis.

Never fails to amuse/amaze me how Everton fans ignore that they as a club have suffered as much as anyone from Man City’s cheating and blood money, as before they whre bought Everton where regularly finishing above them. Same now goes with Newcastle. It’s like a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome with them.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9871 on: February 12, 2024, 08:04:39 pm »
Even if they did ugnore all that shite and liked to think they were some valiant underdog alongside some of those other names, saudicastle and 115 fc are the obvious exceptions that it would just be complete batshittery on the part of bitters to align themselves with them.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9872 on: February 12, 2024, 08:10:19 pm »
Even if they did ugnore all that shite and liked to think they were some valiant underdog alongside some of those other names, saudicastle and 115 fc are the obvious exceptions that it would just be complete batshittery on the part of bitters to align themselves with them.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9873 on: February 12, 2024, 08:36:52 pm »
I remember a better day with Everton. I don't remember their Holy Trinity - that was my dad's era, but I do remember the smashing side they had in the mid 1980s. I also remember our rivalry, but it seemed healthier at the time.

Over the years too many of their base have gone off the deep end and into a spiraling world of bitterness, raging against Liverpool and the wider footballing world, when they would have been a lot better served by looking inward, and getting their own house in order.

It saddens me to say it, as I am well aware of how they stood with us for justice for the 96 (97) but I think they have a bit more to go before they hit rock bottom. That will probably come when they are relegated, possibly on the back of also going into administration.

At that point they will have two options. Fade into oblivion, while raging against the world. Or, dust themselves down, regroup, cut their cloth accordingly, and start building a football club again.

A reset is possible, and it might just come with a new stadium and the promise of a better future. But too many of them are detached from reality at present, as they did cheat, they did cook the books, they did miss their financial target by quite a margin, and other clubs who kept to the rules were relegated. Come clean Everton! Come clean! And redemption might be possible.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9874 on: February 12, 2024, 09:22:13 pm »
I remember a better day with Everton. I don't remember their Holy Trinity - that was my dad's era, but I do remember the smashing side they had in the mid 1980s. I also remember our rivalry, but it seemed healthier at the time.

Over the years too many of their base have gone off the deep end and into a spiraling world of bitterness, raging against Liverpool and the wider footballing world, when they would have been a lot better served by looking inward, and getting their own house in order.

It saddens me to say it, as I am well aware of how they stood with us for justice for the 96 (97) but I think they have a bit more to go before they hit rock bottom. That will probably come when they are relegated, possibly on the back of also going into administration.

At that point they will have two options. Fade into oblivion, while raging against the world. Or, dust themselves down, regroup, cut their cloth accordingly, and start building a football club again.

A reset is possible, and it might just come with a new stadium and the promise of a better future. But too many of them are detached from reality at present, as they did cheat, they did cook the books, they did miss their financial target by quite a margin, and other clubs who kept to the rules were relegated. Come clean Everton! Come clean! And redemption might be possible.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9875 on: February 12, 2024, 10:29:45 pm »
good word to use when discussing Everton.  "I think I'll uggg!nore them"

Totally unintentional, but it does seem to fit them doesn't it.  ;D

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9876 on: February 13, 2024, 04:20:00 am »
Is it Friday yet......
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9877 on: February 13, 2024, 07:35:59 am »
I remember a better day with Everton. I don't remember their Holy Trinity - that was my dad's era, but I do remember the smashing side they had in the mid 1980s. I also remember our rivalry, but it seemed healthier at the time.

Over the years too many of their base have gone off the deep end and into a spiraling world of bitterness, raging against Liverpool and the wider footballing world, when they would have been a lot better served by looking inward, and getting their own house in order.

It saddens me to say it, as I am well aware of how they stood with us for justice for the 96 (97) but I think they have a bit more to go before they hit rock bottom. That will probably come when they are relegated, possibly on the back of also going into administration.

At that point they will have two options. Fade into oblivion, while raging against the world. Or, dust themselves down, regroup, cut their cloth accordingly, and start building a football club again.

A reset is possible, and it might just come with a new stadium and the promise of a better future. But too many of them are detached from reality at present, as they did cheat, they did cook the books, they did miss their financial target by quite a margin, and other clubs who kept to the rules were relegated. Come clean Everton! Come clean! And redemption might be possible.

I started getting into football around the year 2000, were their fans like this in the late 90s too? I was watching a derby match from 1997 where they beat us 2-0. And i honestly couldn’t sense any bitterness there. They seemed like a club who had just won a trophy 2 years ago in 1995, and just avoided relegation. But optimistic they could go on to bigger things.

Is that a correct late 90s/Cadamarteri observation?

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9878 on: February 13, 2024, 07:46:53 am »
I blame Hans Segars.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #9879 on: February 13, 2024, 07:54:46 am »
Just so I understand this:

Can the appeals' panel only uphold the appeal or reject it? As in, can they only confirm the original punishment is fair, wrong or too lenient?

A part of me wonders if the PL requested 12 points knowing Everton would appeal, so there would be scope to increase the deduction if the appeal fails. I certainly don't want the punishment reduced solely on the grounds that it's poor little Everton and that they face financial oblivion if they're not let off. That isn't the PL's problem.
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