Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted)

[clinical]

He rejected us

Ornstein said otherwise.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Not really because that list isn't suddenly going to include much more expensive players is it? We walked away from Bellingham for a reason.

But the list could include Caicedo, you bitching and moaning drama queen ...

[clinical]

But the list could include Caicedo, you bitching and moaning drama queen ...

It's not going to include Caicedo when it's been reported numerous times we like him but not at the price Brighton value him at 

[Draex]

I doubt Klopp would walk away whatever the situation he loves this club, "it's his club". His private opinions on the owners ambitions may differ to that and we saw it boil over a bit last summer when he said ideally we'd take more risks (in the market)

I disagree, if Klopp was continually being shafted by FSG over signings as you make out he would have not renewed, he's a man of principle.

That's why I'm not as hard on FSG as you are, I think Klopp is for the most part well on board with how we operate.

[Avens]

Not really because that list isn't suddenly going to include much more expensive players is it? We walked away from Bellingham for a reason.

There is a middle ground between Bellingham (transfer fee + salary + parent payoffs + year's supply of pet food + whatever other unknowns are included) and Mac Allister (the bloody low-hanging fruit, sign of a lack of ambition).

I really think it might be a few weeks before we make another signing. I hope everyone is looking out for each other – maybe we should set up a buddy system of sorts. MD1990 and clinical, check in with each other occasionally if you can, gents.

[MD1990]

Nahhh that's just a lie isn't it? I'll acknowledge, we definitely did it in the last two windows, and probably in the one when we had no CBs (although in hindsight that was to wait for Konate and we still came 3rd, so it sort of worked out). At the closing of all of the other windows under Klopp we've been in a great position. It's how we went from having about the 8th best team in England to having the best in the world at one point.

We went with no proper GK from 2015-2018. So that was leaving us short.
2018 was brillant & the only time we really strengthened like a big club funded by Coutinho. 2019/2020. lack of signings cost us long term with our players ran into the ground. Gini,Mane,Henderson,Fabinho & Firmino(can't stay fit) all played so much not a shock to see the decline they have had. Van Dijk too but Pickford done that
last few years since covid just been a disgrace for a club of our size.

[PeterTheRed ...]

From Pearce’s article in the Athletic. Now I know people will say he’s not reliable and bla bla bla but all you have to do is look at the links to realise we’re not actually targeting a defensive midfielder.

I think it is pretty obvious by now that we won't be signing a specialist defensive midfielder this summer ...

[PeterTheRed ...]

It's not going to include Caicedo when it's been reported numerous times we like him but not at the price Brighton value him at 

Have you ever heard of "negotiations"?

[Hazell]

It's a given we aren't interested in more expensive players though? If that wasn't the case we'd have got Bellingham.

No necessarily as the full cost between Bellingham and someone like Thuram is wildly different. That doesn't mean we're not interested in other players.

[PhiLFC#1]

Someone just needs to tick the sugar daddy option

[Chris~]

yep was quite depressing seeing neither of the Fulham lads being trusted in the run in while Henderson put in his worst sequence of performances in a red shirt, particularly with the hindsight of knowing we didn't get CL anyway

Yeah, even at the time with it being such a longshot it felt like we should have been giving more minutes to some of the younger players and didnt even when it was gonr. I don't really get why both him and Fabinho started so much having been dropped (rested I guess in hindsight?) In Jan/Feb or whenever it was. For all the talk of new midfielders and who we should move on I don't think Klopp is as down on Henderson and Fabinho as the fans and still trusts them (same with Firmino and Milner apparently if it was the club not Klopp.letting them to). I don't really agree with that but that's not changing anything   

[Jm55]

I’m not really sure how anyone can have been around 12 months ago and read that Pearce article and not be at least slightly concerned by it.

Long way to go obviously and I’ll reserve judgment until the end of the window but the warning signs are there to me that we could be getting let down gradually, again.

[disgraced cake]

Just seen Konate and Van Dijk log on and go straight to the FSG discussion thread, there. Saying some pretty damning things.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

The transfer forum has reached a new level of toxicity in that a very loud group are now screaming in rage over their own headcanon

Literally nothing has been said or reported but it's been decided we are buying insufficient shite for cheap and it's already an embarrassment of a summer despite it not even officially starting yet. I feel the same people would be furious if we did an Arsenal and overspent by about £60 million on two midfielders, but because it's the opposite approach we are taking this year that's the good option.

I understand being mad about the last summer, we all are mad about that, but people are just making up how this summer is going to go, completely against the available information out there, and having what I can only describe as a temper tantrum over their own prediction as if it is true

Honestly it's always been bad but the Transfer forum is reaching new lows

[PhiLFC#1]

The transfer forum has reached a new level of toxicity in that a very loud group are now screaming in rage over their own headcanon

Literally nothing has been said or reported but it's been decided we are buying insufficient shite for cheap and it's already an embarrassment of a summer despite it not even officially starting yet. I feel the same people would be furious if we did an Arsenal and overspent by about £60 million on two midfielders, but because it's the opposite approach we are taking this year that's the good option.

I understand being mad about the last summer, we all are mad about that, but people are just making up how this summer is going to go, completely against the available information out there, and having what I can only describe as a temper tantrum over their own prediction as if it is true

Honestly it's always been bad but the Transfer forum is reaching new lows

So you're saying we're not going to sign anyone??

[disgraced cake]

I’m not really sure how anyone can have been around 12 months ago and read that Pearce article and not be at least slightly concerned by it.

Long way to go obviously and I’ll reserve judgment until the end of the window but the warning signs are there to me that we could be getting let down gradually, again.

Everyone should have learned by now, really. The best thing you can do so long as these own the club (in regards to transfers) is to expect very little and maybe come out pleasantly surprised. I personally think we're looking at one more midfielder and a rotational defender, both of which will come in within the next couple of weeks, then it'll be sales and no more incomings as the window fizzles out. I'd love to be wrong but I can't see it. I'm not even saying this on the basis of some new article, it's just the history is pretty easy to learn from.

We've had two big windows in regards to money spent/number of incomings since they took over, both followed the sale of a top money player (Suarez and Coutinho). Nobody big will be leaving this summer it looks like. We'll probably spend more than we get back but I don't think the difference will be huge. It's coming to my mind now that they might genuinely spend less than 100 million which quite frankly would be fucking criminal. Prove me wrong John! Prove me wrong!

[Stockholm Syndrome]

So you're saying we're not going to sign anyone??

I mean we are buying Ward Prowse for £50 million and I am so right to be angry and laughing at the club I support because we are so embarrassing and awful

[Jean Girard]

   Only this place could go into a spiral of negativity about our transfer window on the morning the transfer window opens, when we've already signed one.  Surely late July is the time for this stuff? I'm not pro owners or anything, they do my fucking head in - but you have to let the future happen before you have the retrospective.  Maybe i'm an eternal optimist, or have managed to get some vitamin D the last few days - but I still think this'll work out.

[Skeeve]

Given how unique Jurgens system is it is one hell of a gamble to basically recruit a whole midfield in one window.

Hopefully it pays off.

Since we neglected to get one in the previous two windows and given that the alternative would be not finishing the recruiting for at least another window, it seems like the best gamble we have available to us unfortunately.

[Sharado]

This is it though happens each summer. Big expectations in April/May to be slowly let down over the summer then if we have couple injuries the season is over before it began.

I get people having a go about people overreacting this early, but the past 4 years or so we've all been here most summers ready for that big outlay that's been promised and been let down. I think it's probably quite a good thing that people are getting edgy about it this time out. If FSG don't get this summer right, if they underinvest, the writing is on the wall for them I'd say. I don't think you'll see anything like the Hicks/Gillette days of course but I think the relatively neutral stance people take on them because of the good they've done for the club will start to turn a lot, lot more negative.

2 more midfielders and a CB is the absolute bare minimum we need. If we'd added them gradually over the last couple of seasons Jude Bellingham would potentially be pulling a red jersey on for a photoshoot today.

By the end of this window people need to feel like we've done enough, I've not felt like that for a pretty long time and last season we saw the results of that.

[killer-heels]

I reckon we will sign Valverde. Him and Ignacio please.

[Knight]

The transfer forum has reached a new level of toxicity in that a very loud group are now screaming in rage over their own headcanon

Literally nothing has been said or reported but it's been decided we are buying insufficient shite for cheap and it's already an embarrassment of a summer despite it not even officially starting yet. I feel the same people would be furious if we did an Arsenal and overspent by about £60 million on two midfielders, but because it's the opposite approach we are taking this year that's the good option.

I understand being mad about the last summer, we all are mad about that, but people are just making up how this summer is going to go, completely against the available information out there, and having what I can only describe as a temper tantrum over their own prediction as if it is true

Honestly it's always been bad but the Transfer forum is reaching new lows

Are you ok? Have you had a nightmare about an alternative reality and a different RAWK?

We were told last summer that we were waiting on midfielders etc. Then we fell apart without any CMs who could run. Then we publicly pulled out of the CM we were waiting for because we can't afford it. Now we've got journalists speculating about cost being prohibitive to buying the 3 CMs we actually need. Negativity isn't coming out of nowhere. And it's not full of rage or shouty, it's just worried.

[clinical]

  Only this place could go into a spiral of negativity about our transfer window on the morning the transfer window opens, when we've already signed one.  Surely late July is the time for this stuff? I'm not pro owners or anything, they do my fucking head in - but you have to let the future happen before you have the retrospective.  Maybe i'm an eternal optimist, or have managed to get some vitamin D the last few days - but I still think this'll work out.

Have you seen social media this morning? It's much worse than anything myself and some others have said on here

[Too early for flapjacks?]

We went with no proper GK from 2015-2018. So that was leaving us short.
2018 was brillant & the only time we really strengthened like a big club funded by Coutinho. 2019/2020. lack of signings cost us long term with our players ran into the ground. Gini,Mane,Henderson,Fabinho & Firmino(can't stay fit) all played so much not a shock to see the decline they have had. Van Dijk too but Pickford done that
last few years since covid just been a disgrace for a club of our size.

In his first summer Klopp acted quickly and chose to buy a goalkeeper from one his former clubs who turned out rubbish. I mean, that's on him really. Just as the success of Mane and Matip is on him. It's just silly to laude Klopp for every transfer success and find a villain (FSG, Lijnders, analytics guys, etc) for every bad move.

[MD1990]

I’m not really sure how anyone can have been around 12 months ago and read that Pearce article and not be at least slightly concerned by it.

Long way to go obviously and I’ll reserve judgment until the end of the window but the warning signs are there to me that we could be getting let down gradually, again.

its true Pearce doesnt get transfer names.
But remember when Orstein dropped the news about Bellingham or in 2019 we wont spend much it was proved correct.

It is the same every summer the media is used to gradually bring down our expectations.
We will get articles in July about how refreshed the current squad & how Fabinho & Henderson are having a superb pre season.
We will get some players in but it will be the bare minimum expected.
We should be getting Caicedo or Ugarte. Thuram hoepfully arrives he would be a good signing.
But we need a top young CB not a squad option

[ScottScott]

We went with no proper GK from 2015-2018. So that was leaving us short.
2018 was brillant & the only time we really strengthened like a big club funded by Coutinho. 2019/2020. lack of signings cost us long term with our players ran into the ground. Gini,Mane,Henderson,Fabinho & Firmino(can't stay fit) all played so much not a shock to see the decline they have had. Van Dijk too but Pickford done that
last few years since covid just been a disgrace for a club of our size.

Who the fuck did we play in goal then? No wonder we were so shit, open goal behind the back four

[Agent99]

I know it's not going to happen but let's say Valverde and Tchouameni are available for the same price and wages who would you buy?

[Jean Girard]

I reckon we will sign Valverde. Him and Ignacio please.

This is the spirit. I would give anything for Valverde. Valverde and Mac and I'd settle for 2 MFs.

(Don't know the other guy)

[rawcusk8]

I reckon we will sign Valverde. Him and Ignacio please.

you go from one extreme to the other, where is the middle ground? 😂

[lionel_messias]

I reckon we will sign Valverde. Him and Ignacio please.

Unusually positive for you, KH. I think there might be a chance, should the French boy with money in his pocket decide to go to Madrid.

[Knight]

I know it's not going to happen but let's say Valverde and Tchouameni are available for the same price and wages who would you buy?

We need a 6, MacAllister and Jones can do the 8 jobs. So Tchouameni. Tchouameni, MacAllister, Jones is potentially a title challenging midfield assuming Tchouameni hasn't been ruined by Madrid.

[Jean Girard]

Have you seen social media this morning? It's much worse than anything myself and some others have said on here

You're okay, vent away. Just laughing at the general vibe.  I'm probably wrong like every summer, but I might be right.   

[Draex]

I know it's not going to happen but let's say Valverde and Tchouameni are available for the same price and wages who would you buy?

Valverde for that right midfield spot would be next level, he is oven ready.

[tubby]

Would be amazed, AMAZED if Valverde leaves Real this summer, even if they do get Mbappe in.  He's been brilliant for them and will fancy his chances in midfield no matter who they buy.

[MD1990]

In his first summer Klopp acted quickly and chose to buy a goalkeeper from one his former clubs who turned out rubbish. I mean, that's on him really. Just as the success of Mane and Matip is on him. It's just silly to laude Klopp for every transfer success and find a villain (FSG, Lijnders, analytics guys, etc) for every bad move.

4.5m thats a back up GK in reality. He was highly rated but we needed to be getting a top class GK. We would have if the funding was there

[Oskar]

At the end of the day it’s a nothing article that doesn’t say anything particularly revelatory. It’s very early in the window, a lot will happen between now and the end of August and Klopp has said we’ll be busy. The sky isn’t falling just yet, it might be quiet for a while but that doesn’t mean that we’re inactive or that we won’t get what we need before the window closes.

[clinical]

You're okay, vent away. Just laughing at the general vibe.  I'm probably wrong like every summer, but I might be right. 

Would love to come on here in August hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong for being pessimistic and should have trusted FSG more and given them the summer to prove it etc. But we've seen it several times before with the lowering of expectations in June. This time it's worse because we're out of the top 4, getting another state owned club to compete against and Arsenal showing real ambition. Unless FSG provide Klopp with what he needs to compete how does he do it?

[Hazell]

The transfer forum has reached a new level of toxicity in that a very loud group are now screaming in rage over their own headcanon

Literally nothing has been said or reported but it's been decided we are buying insufficient shite for cheap and it's already an embarrassment of a summer despite it not even officially starting yet. I feel the same people would be furious if we did an Arsenal and overspent by about £60 million on two midfielders, but because it's the opposite approach we are taking this year that's the good option.

I understand being mad about the last summer, we all are mad about that, but people are just making up how this summer is going to go, completely against the available information out there, and having what I can only describe as a temper tantrum over their own prediction as if it is true

Honestly it's always been bad but the Transfer forum is reaching new lows

I see that this has already been responded to but this is exactly what it feels like. It's like some sort of alternate reality where there's been a huge reaction to, well, nothing of note.

[amir87]

Bellingham's apparently got a buyout clause of £150m so I can see us potentially holding fire on any more players this window and go all out next Summer.

[disgraced cake]

Would be amazed, AMAZED if Valverde leaves Real this summer, even if they do get Mbappe in.  He's been brilliant for them and will fancy his chances in midfield no matter who they buy.

Same. He loves being there and has been one of their best players over the last couple of years now. It makes no sense for him to join Liverpool or any other club for that matter when he's playing at a side who can feasibly win the Champions League in pretty much every year. I don't think he'd fancy even one year in the Europa League. If I was Madrid's manager he'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet.

People never really learn with Madrid when it comes to transfers either. Supposedly skint all the time but have no problem buying the most expensive midfielder ever bar Fernandez, but there is add ons too. You'd think a world class striker will follow now,  perhaps Mbappe. And they also paid 60 odd million for a 16 year old they can't even get for another year or so. If they want to find a way to get something done, they probably will.