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Re: Paris
« Reply #440 on: May 30, 2022, 08:18:00 pm »
I can’t believe what I’m reading.

2022, and this is happening.

Just glad to see everyone got back, but it’s clear it could have gone very differently

In the last season we’ve gone back to the eighties - football disorder (starting with the Manc disruption), inflation and the threat of World War III.

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« Reply #441 on: May 30, 2022, 08:19:35 pm »
I made my way down the infamous underpass around 7.30. Coincidentally saw the team coach trying to get through the crowds. I was on Gate Y, next to Jason Mcateers broadcasting station. Was stuck there for what seemed like hours, steadily becoming more and more congested. There were some Reds pushing the queue coming from other gates that had been closed, leading to further congestion until our gate was closed too. Didn’t get Open until 9.15. By which time locals and a few reds had scaled the fence and legged it up the stadium entrance. A few got caught, but majority made it through. Felt the tear gas start around 9ish. In the end around 9.32 we had no option but to leave gate Y as they were allowing one person at a time (in a queue of 1/2/3000?) and we managed to walked to gate A which was empty and scan our QR code and walk through. Once the tickets was scanned, there were no stewards to direct you to your seats, so I could have gone to any seat I wanted to in our end. The gangway was packed with fans, so there was no way I was getting to my seat, so spent the first half watching in the alleyway between aisles.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #442 on: May 30, 2022, 08:20:06 pm »
In the last season we’ve gone back to the eighties - football disorder (starting with the Manc disruption), inflation and the threat of World War III.

Just need City to sod off back to division 2.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #443 on: May 30, 2022, 08:20:22 pm »

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Re: Paris
« Reply #444 on: May 30, 2022, 08:26:39 pm »
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1531354632722821123

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Earlier today, our CEO Billy Hogan discussed the club's ongoing response to the issues that affected supporters attending Saturday's Champions League final.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #445 on: May 30, 2022, 08:27:13 pm »
the lucky thing for ye is that journos got caught up in it so for once they'll give a shite instead of downplaying it

Yeah, amazing though in 2022 after EVERYTHING we've been through that fans like you's attitude is "lucky thing for ye" because immediately it was grounds for online point scoring and banter.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #446 on: May 30, 2022, 08:29:33 pm »
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Re: Paris
« Reply #447 on: May 30, 2022, 08:31:08 pm »
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#LFC chairman Tom Werner has sent a letter to the French sports minister asking for an apology regarding her comments today.

It should be the big dog John Henry doing it.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #448 on: May 30, 2022, 08:32:07 pm »
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1531354632722821123

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Billy, you gave us an update immediately after getting back from Paris on Sunday. Could you give us the latest updates on the independent investigation that you and others have been calling for after the events on Saturday?

It has been good to hear that others are also calling for a truly independent and transparent investigation into the organisation of the final in Paris. We have followed up on our request for an independent investigation with UEFA in writing. We’ve also noted our deep concern about the false information that’s being circulated, while really urging UEFA to agree to an open and transparent investigation into everything that happened on Saturday night, and we will continue to push for this. I’ve also read this afternoon in the media that there was a meeting this morning with French authorities and UEFA and a number of other stakeholders; however, we were not asked for our input or to submit any information ahead of the meeting, so we were getting the output of that meeting like everyone else: through the media. Finally, we are also reviewing legal avenues available to us on behalf of affected supporters. So, in summary, a lot of activity, a lot of engagement with many stakeholders since Saturday night and we’ll continue to push for an independent investigation as quickly as possible. In our mind, what that means is an independent panel of experts to conduct that review.

Given today’s comments by the French sports minister, who has blamed Liverpool FC for letting fans ‘out in the wild’ – what would you like to say in response to that?

I would just say we are incredibly surprised that someone in that position would make comments in the first place at this point, when we haven’t had adequate time to understand what happened. There hasn’t been an independent investigation to establish all the facts. And as we said on Saturday, there needs to be that independent, transparent investigation into what happened at the match. That’s the start of the process. So to be making comments at this stage, prior to any investigation being launched, is completely inappropriate. We should know all the facts to make sure that the scenes that we’ve all seen – absolutely disgraceful – from Saturday don’t ever happen again.

Making comments as deeply unhelpful as that, we just feel that everyone should be focused on getting the investigation right and less about making inflammatory comments that attempt to deflect responsibility for what happened on Saturday night. What I would say is that our fans were provided the UEFA information to travel to the stadium safely, which they did; they approached the stadium as directed and in good time. However, it was on arrival at the stadium when they experienced the issues. In regard to the comments, we were in complete disbelief when we were made aware of them earlier today. I think it’s important that folks know that our chairman, Tom Werner, sent a letter to the French minister to articulate our views and is calling for an apology to our fans for those comments.

And what about some of the numbers that are being published in the media today and at the moment, and the inference of there being ticketless fans at Stade de France?

At this stage I think it’s just not responsible to be making comments before we’ve actually gathered all the information. People have obviously had their experience on the ground at the stadium but until the relevant stakeholders have had the opportunity to go through a proper investigation, I don’t think it’s appropriate to be making any comments on any numbers. 40,000 people was the number I heard that were at the stadium without tickets, somebody said that today – how can that be quantified at this stage, before we’ve had an independent and transparent investigation? There’s also been quotes about people with fake tickets; but, again, how do we know all the facts until we’ve had an investigation?

One fact we do know is the Champions League final should be one of the finest spectacles in football and it resulted in one of the worst experiences of many supporters’ lives. So, I would say that all politicians and agencies involved in this event need to wait until a full and independent investigation is concluded before attempting to shift blame. The seriousness of these events requires that we do that, a professional review so that all the lessons can be learned and, as we’ve said, that all football fans – Liverpool or otherwise – never have to experience anything like this again.

What would you also say about the numerous videos and photographs appearing on social media and other platforms showing how fans were treated in Paris on Saturday?

Like everyone, I’ve been sent a number of them and I’ve also seen a number of them across social media. The videos and the photographs tell a consistent story: the unacceptable treatment of men, women and children which was, again, completely unacceptable. Also, to say our fans didn’t turn up on time is crazy. My colleagues across the club, our ownership and I, we all saw it with our own eyes; we were outside the ground, on the ground, in those crowds and from everything I saw, our fans arrived early and they were queuing as directed by authorities.

I spoke yesterday about an online form that we would be putting out for fans to send in their experiences and photographs and videos from Saturday. This has gone live this afternoon across our website and social channels, and I would really call on all fans, media and others who were in Paris for the match to use this form and tell us about their experience. There’s an opportunity in the form for people to put up to five photos and if you have video there’s an opportunity to do that as well throughout this process. All of the information is going to be treated securely and respectfully within the club. It’s vitally important that we get all this information into one place so it can be used in an investigation in the proper way, so I really encourage people to use that online form if they can.

Do you have any other message for fans at this stage?

Yes, really it’s a thank you from us to you. As we’ve seen over the course of the last not even quite 48 hours yet, the stories coming out of what happened at the match were just completely unacceptable. I’ve read many of them and I’ve seen many of the videos and the photos; my colleagues across the club have seen them as well. Most of these are pretty harrowing so I would ask people to just keep talking about the experience to friends and family; it’s important that people have the chance to unload that and talk to loved ones about it. Honestly, I’ve heard from a number of people who said what was supposed to be one of the best nights of their lives was one of the worst. That’s just incredibly sad and disappointing and it has to be addressed. Our goal is to ensure that the proper steps are taken to be sure something like this doesn’t happen again – to our fans or to any fans of any team or club.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #449 on: May 30, 2022, 08:32:18 pm »
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#LFC chairman Tom Werner has sent a letter to the French sports minister asking for an apology regarding her comments today.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #450 on: May 30, 2022, 08:34:37 pm »
the lucky thing for ye is that journos got caught up in it so for once they'll give a shite instead of downplaying it

Agree with your point but perhaps you could have worded it better. In today’s world where everyone is armed with a camera & a social media audience, we are fortunate we can put the record straight with proof.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #451 on: May 30, 2022, 08:39:03 pm »
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#LFC chairman Tom Werner has sent a letter to the French sports minister asking for an apology regarding her comments today.

Good but I'm hoping that's just the start of it. If no apology then the club need to take further action to protect fans up to and including refusing to play games against French opposition going forward or partake in any European games on French soil.

Its clear French police where happy enough to let fans be mugged and beaten Saturday as well as possibly die in a crush.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #452 on: May 30, 2022, 08:44:03 pm »
Good but I'm hoping that's just the start of it. If no apology then the club need to take further action to protect fans up to and including refusing to play games against French opposition going forward or partake in any European games on French soil.

Its clear French police where happy enough to let fans be mugged and beaten Saturday as well as possibly die in a crush.
It looks like it is (just the start of it). Club has reacted quickly, and well - initial statement of 'unacceptable treatment', calling for an independent investigation, Hogan's comments about the UEFA/French meeting without the clubs involvement, getting the feedback form up and running.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #453 on: May 30, 2022, 08:45:57 pm »
I was in the Irish Bar just outside the Fanpark early evening, My son and his mate went out to check the queue to get in the fanpark, they managed to get in but it took a good 30 mins, so he sent me a text me to stay where we were.

As they were charging €10 a pint we went to another bar close by, great atmosphere with a few locals and one table of Real fans.
After the final whistle made arrangement to meet my son which turned out to be a good idea as I've seen a video of the Thugs dressed as Police smashing up the Café we had been in.

As we were making our way across the grassed area outside the fan park I noticed about 20 RoboCops running towards us, lucky there was a park bench so I dragged my Nephew and mate to it and we sat down with our hands in the air. A couple of them ran towards us and I feared the worse, but at the last minute one of them shouted something and they ran off. I've been to France twice now to watch the Reds and both times the Police have tear gassed fans for no reason other than being football fans.



Edit - I did get a bottle thrown at me which hit me on the back of the neck but lucky it didn't do any harm
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Re: Paris
« Reply #454 on: May 30, 2022, 08:52:43 pm »
did anyone see that video of a Liverpool fan just fucking instantly stabbing one of a gang of c*nts who try to jump them and they scatter. I know its lawless but thats the authorities fault. that lad honestly saved himself and his mates. Insane shit coming out of this. Just how bad are Paris police?

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There is another option. Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #455 on: May 30, 2022, 08:58:31 pm »
Also it appears the security inside the stadium had no idea either, got show a video in work today of a Belgian Real fan wandering around the pitch at full time getting himself filmed with the players etc.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #456 on: May 30, 2022, 08:58:53 pm »
This is the guy investigating: https://www.portugal.gov.pt/en/gc21/ministries/education/minister

Why? Very odd choice. Would be the equivalent of this happening in Portugal in a game between Inter and PSG and Nadhim Zahawi doing it…

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Re: Paris
« Reply #457 on: May 30, 2022, 09:00:47 pm »
Back to the forged tickets. For those of you who were there, was there evidence of lots of people buying tickets from touts over in Paris?

In the queue by the underpass I’d say in the time I was in there about 5 came back saying they didn’t get in because of forgeries and we’re heading back out obviously to watch it somewhere after chancing there arm

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« Reply #458 on: May 30, 2022, 09:01:09 pm »
How to have a dig while appearing concerned.

Yep…

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Re: Paris
« Reply #459 on: May 30, 2022, 09:05:08 pm »
Back to the forged tickets. For those of you who were there, was there evidence of lots of people buying tickets from touts over in Paris?
They were being sold openly in Paris for 100 euros

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Re: Paris
« Reply #460 on: May 30, 2022, 09:15:51 pm »
The french police have always been scumbags. They are the absolute worst. 

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Re: Paris
« Reply #461 on: May 30, 2022, 09:16:27 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

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Re: Paris
« Reply #462 on: May 30, 2022, 09:17:16 pm »
It should be the big dog John Henry doing it.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #463 on: May 30, 2022, 09:18:51 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

maybe. but as was said before, this happens everywhere.
scenes like at stade de france do not

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Re: Paris
« Reply #464 on: May 30, 2022, 09:19:27 pm »
Has there been no response from Real Madrid ?
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Re: Paris
« Reply #465 on: May 30, 2022, 09:34:12 pm »
Some words from Adam Lallana from his instagram ...


Felt very fortunate to be able to attend the final in Paris. I’m fully aware of the how precious those tickets were.
I was there as a supporter. I was also there as a parent.
How fans were treated was unacceptable. It was dangerous.
Attending a football match shouldn’t make anyone feel unsafe. This one did.
The supporters were let down and they deserve answers for how they were treated. It was LFC and Real Madrid on Saturday, but it could have been followers of any team. I think that’s important to remember.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #466 on: May 30, 2022, 09:38:22 pm »
How to have a dig while appearing concerned.

Yeah pretty grim stuff but not unexpected from him, he’s got previous
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« Reply #467 on: May 30, 2022, 09:38:26 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

Half ? absolutely no chance, systematic error that the French won't admit and fucking disgraceful policing and scummy Parisian gangs.

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« Reply #468 on: May 30, 2022, 09:40:29 pm »
Just spent an hour filling the feedback form out, I'm getting more emotional about this as time goes on.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #469 on: May 30, 2022, 09:40:45 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

Half of how many out of interest? I was at gate D and the only issues i saw were the scumbag locals nearly causing a crush and trying to overrun security.

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« Reply #470 on: May 30, 2022, 09:51:20 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

Fakes happen no matter who or what the occasion.

It’s the weeding out from legitimate tickets that failed on this occasion - amongst other things

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Re: Paris
« Reply #471 on: May 30, 2022, 09:51:54 pm »
people with fake tickets are not to blame for what happened on Saturday however they need to have a word with themselves, i was at the ticket checkpoint leading to gates B and C, i can tell you that about half of them had blags and were fully aware of it, they were bragging about bunking in at Wembley etc, most of them lads in their 20s but also some arl fellas

Agree with this 100%.  Issue on the night caused by authorities bad crowd planning and French police being dicks.  Not ticketless fans.   But maybe the fear of many, many reds fans with fake tickets plus local gangs with bad intentions,  persuaded authorities to try to set up the inadequately manned ticket check perimeter away from the stadium.  This being one of the causes of the delays.   

If you travelled there with the intention of bunking in, like that Gary knobhead on twitter - then you are part of the problem.   If you know someone who travelled there with this intention maybe make it clear it’s this kind of shit that causes stadium security to do stupid things like lock gates.  I’m all for any fans going to the city - the fan park was amazing- but people planning to bunk into Istanbul next year should be put straight by their mates & families. 

I saw a handful of fans taking a chance to bunk in without tickets.  I saw many more dodgy locals trying the same.  This wasnt in any way the cause of the problem on Saturday. 

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Re: Paris
« Reply #472 on: May 30, 2022, 09:52:03 pm »
The irony of the 30-40k fake tickets is if there were proper security and ticket checks in place those 30-40k tickets wouldn't of been near the stadium. Our lot were surprised when we got through the underpass leading to gates A and B by how open the stadium concourse was from the other way. Never been to the Stade D e France before, but those bars and restaurants that are across the street from the stadium and the houses behind there was no barriers or fences to stop people accessing the stadium from that area

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Re: Paris
« Reply #473 on: May 30, 2022, 09:55:19 pm »
Half ? absolutely no chance, systematic error that the French won't admit and fucking disgraceful policing and scummy Parisian gangs.

im talking about people who were withing hearing distance from me, so probably 15 out of 30

and just to clarify, i dont mean people at gate B, i mean people at the checkpoint leading to gate B, all of them were turned around and not let through, but they had to go back through people waiting at the checkpoint because of how ridiculously stupid these checkpoints were, and it only created more chaos, extended waiting times and added to everyone’s frustration

i didnt see/hear anyone with blags while waiting directly outside gate B

and i meant to quote DangerScouse, sorry
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Re: Paris
« Reply #474 on: May 30, 2022, 09:58:25 pm »

The turnstiles weren't even working,there's video of the tickets being checked by hand & then people were having to crawl under the turnstile.
I was one of them. My lad and I had a pair from the same club envelope. His scanned, mine didn't and the steward said 'go under'.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #475 on: May 30, 2022, 09:59:59 pm »
I was in the Irish Bar just outside the Fanpark early evening, My son and his mate went out to check the queue to get in the fanpark, they managed to get in but it took a good 30 mins, so he sent me a text me to stay where we were.

As they were charging €10 a pint we went to another bar close by, great atmosphere with a few locals and one table of Real fans.
After the final whistle made arrangement to meet my son which turned out to be a good idea as I've seen a video of the Thugs dressed as Police smashing up the Café we had been in.

As we were making our way across the grassed area outside the fan park I noticed about 20 RoboCops running towards us, lucky there was a park bench so I dragged my Nephew and mate to it and we sat down with our hands in the air. A couple of them ran towards us and I feared the worse, but at the last minute one of them shouted something and they ran off. I've been to France twice now to watch the Reds and both times the Police have tear gassed fans for no reason other than being football fans.



Edit - I did get a bottle thrown at me which hit me on the back of the neck but lucky it didn't do any harm
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Re: Paris
« Reply #476 on: May 30, 2022, 10:00:20 pm »
The irony of the 30-40k fake tickets is if there were proper security and ticket checks in place those 30-40k tickets wouldn't of been near the stadium. Our lot were surprised when we got through the underpass leading to gates A and B by how open the stadium concourse was from the other way. Never been to the Stade D e France before, but those bars and restaurants that are across the street from the stadium and the houses behind there was no barriers or fences to stop people accessing the stadium from that area

There's zero possibility there was anywhere near that many forgeries doing the rounds. Zilch.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #477 on: May 30, 2022, 10:01:03 pm »
Henry Winter--- Liverpool fans' unbelievable patience | Police 'agenda' in Paris | What will UEFA do next?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5LUcTl_rLg
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Re: Paris
« Reply #478 on: May 30, 2022, 10:01:05 pm »
im talking about people who were withing hearing distance from me, so probably 15 out of 30

and just to clarify, i dont mean people at gate B, i mean people at the checkpoint leading to gate B, all of them were turned around and not let through, but they had to go back through people waiting at the checkpoint because of how ridiculously stupid these checkpoints were, and it only created more chaos, extended waiting times and added to everyone’s frustration

i didnt see/hear anyone with blags while waiting directly outside gate B

and i meant to quote DangerScouse, sorry

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Re: Paris
« Reply #479 on: May 30, 2022, 10:02:14 pm »
im talking about people who were withing hearing distance from me, so probably 15 out of 30

and just to clarify, i dont mean people at gate B, i mean people at the checkpoint leading to gate B, all of them were turned around and not let through, but they had to go back through people waiting at the checkpoint because of how ridiculously stupid these checkpoints were, and it only created more chaos, extended waiting times and added to everyone’s frustration

i didnt see/hear anyone with blags while waiting directly outside gate B

and i meant to quote DangerScouse, sorry
So, at the actual turnstiles you heard nobody with fake tickets, still got pepper sprayed though and then had their names dragged through the mud.