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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1440 on: October 18, 2020, 11:52:25 AM »
You could tell the MOTD analysis was edited, as I can imagine Shearer and Wright would've been fuming about the Pickford and Richarlison challenges, and yet only the first one was mentioned. Fair play to Shearer, but you can sense he wasn't able to properly express what a horror tackle it was, and Wright was strangely subdued when calling the offside decision as incorrect. I've seen Wright on other programmes be much more passionate and honest (which is what viewers want and deserve), but pundits on the BBC are clearly told not to bash the FA too much.

Quite how a licence-paid TV programme could spend more time praising the form and headers of Calvert-Lewin and not even mention the Thiago leg breaker tackle and red card is truly astonishing.

The only real discussion points of that game were VAR, the offside rule, and endangering opponents. The goals and individual performances were almost irrelevant.

The BBC sucking the FA's dicks yet again.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1441 on: October 18, 2020, 11:52:36 AM »
Absolutely. Is there any other profession (apart from government) where you are not expected to be accountable for your actions at work? In this age of technology, there is no need for smoke and mirrors anymore. Their decisions need to be laid bare after every game and they should be permitted to fully explain every controversial decision, backed up with the pictures, technology and evidence they used to make it. Is that such an unreasonable thing to ask for?
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1442 on: October 18, 2020, 11:52:44 AM »
I visit this thread on its 36th page and haven't read it all so apologies for no doubt repeating what others have said but I am still seething and so need to vent it.

How in the fuck is that offside? VAR is ruining our game. We watch football for goals, for attacking play but this thing is looking at anything and everything to take that away. Not only are we now not fully celebrating as we await the inevitable VAR review BUT it's actually chalking off perfectly legitimate goals. There is no way on God's earth that that goal should have been disallowed and I will disagree forever with any person who says otherwise. I have watched football for 40+ years, a shitload of football, and this thing is ruining it.

That was a dramatic 3.2 away win yesterday and that bullshit nonsense stole 2 points from us.

Because it wasn’t offside - previously, we’ve had explanations about similar decisions (Firmino’s ‘armpit goal’ for example) but yesterday we didn’t get anything as far as I’m aware. Just a baffling decision and we’re supposed to accept it. It just smacks of someone making a mistake and then refusing to admit it so doesn’t say anything at all. I’m glad the club are taking it further - not because it’ll change anything about yesterday’s game, but because hopefully the officials will think twice in the future about what they’re doing and have to account for it.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1443 on: October 18, 2020, 11:53:34 AM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points if they want but we can't risk any more leg breaks and assaults from these cowardly, nasty thugs.

Remember in 04/05 when they injured four of ours in the first half and one had to play on injured ? We still beat them but what they did that day got them 4th place over us due to the injuries, who knows if history will repeat if they're still in a good position.

Just refuse to play them. That wasn't football yesterday. It was criminal.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1444 on: October 18, 2020, 11:59:46 AM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points if they want but we can't risk any more leg breaks and assaults from these cowardly, nasty thugs.

Remember in 04/05 when they injured four of ours in the first half and one had to play on injured ? We still beat them but what they did that day got them 4th place over us due to the injuries, who knows if history will repeat if they're still in a good position.

Just refuse to play them. That wasn't football yesterday. It was criminal.

Not usually one for eye-for-eye, but I'd like to see Richarleson kicked into Stanley Park, personally.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1445 on: October 18, 2020, 12:02:53 PM »
I have just seen an article said to be by David Lynch, Virgil is due to see a specialist today about his knee and the club will not announce anything until that appointment has taken place. But they seem more upbeat about Thiago at least.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1446 on: October 18, 2020, 12:03:14 PM »
No, it isn’t straight up bullshit, and it’s nowhere near the same level as City fans’ caterwauling.

Is it “corruption” on the level of taking a bribe. Nah, of course not. But people are rightfully upset, as we may have lost Virgil for the bulk of the season, and Thiago as well, in a Derby where there were Duncan Fergusons all over the pitch in blue. And a blatant mistake by the referee *and* the VAR ref leaving Pickford without punishment and the sides 11 v 11 for the bulk of the match over the same incident that injured Virgil; the nature of Richarlison’s tackle on Thiago; and the ridiculous Offside/VAR interpretation at the end are all just rubbing salt in a still open wound.

Thats fine. I don´t disagree with any of it. If you look at my post above you will see I am as pissed off as anyone and just as wanting of answers. I just don´t think it does anyone any favours to be diving down any rabbit holes. Although I also understand emotions are high and that is the times we are living in.


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As someone who’s followed the Reds for almost half a century whilst living all over the planet but is not a Scouser, I can tell you that there is a persistent perception amongst even non-football followers that people from Merseyside are somehow whiny, full of self-pity, on the dole etc. I have supposedly educated friends from all over the UK who refer to Scousers as “bin dippers”.

Is it a “grand conspiracy” along the lines of “The FA/the Illuminati/Elvis Presley has a pact to screw LFC”? No. It’s incompetence by refs, yes. The FA has also repeatedly shown itself to be a necrotic, incompetent ship of fools over the years. But it’s also biases, conscious and unconscious that have led to a perception of Scousers that could not be further from the truth from my experience on every visit to Merseyside, where the people are the most genuine I’ve met after visiting nearly 100 countries.

If you doubt the above, what do you call the events for decades after Hillsborough? I’d call that a conspiracy against LFC and the club’s supporters that involved everyone from the South Yorkshire police to 10 Downing. And it shouldn’t surprise anyone because the way the central government and Londoners in general have treated the Northwest since the 70s is worse than a conspiracy, even before Thatcher’s infamous quote. I think Andy Burnham might agree with me on that one at the moment as well.

To me, the worst thing on a forum that purports to be for the passionate supporters of a football club are the posters who try to come across as the “sensible, even handed, dispassionate ones” and disparage passionate fans who are clearly just being rightfully emotional in the heat of the moment. I hear they welcome those types of LFC “supporters” on the Caf.


As for the rest of this, growing up in this city and having had the unfortunate experience to meet (and live among) plenty of arseholes from elsewhere, I am well aware of the stereotypes, and I am also very well aware of what's Hillsborough meant and means for this city thank you very much. I wasn´t born then, let alone unfortunate enough to have been there, but I don´t need to take any lectures on that issue - especially in the aftermath of a derby when this city is once again on its knees.

It is also fair to say that football, and by extension this club, have changed beyond recognition since then. hence my comment about little-old-LFC. The city of Liverpool is a different matter, and that affects both Reds and Blues (which is why I think its a bit bang out of order for you to even be raising Hillsborough in this manner if I´m honest).

I appreciate tensions are high so I will give the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise I would be saying to wind your neck in. Likewise with all your talk of going-to-the-Caf bollocks.

I am sure this thread will be locked by the end of the day anyway. And probably for the best.



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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1447 on: October 18, 2020, 12:06:25 PM »
You could tell the MOTD analysis was edited, as I can imagine Shearer and Wright would've been fuming about the Pickford and Richarlison challenges, and yet only the first one was mentioned. Fair play to Shearer, but you can sense he wasn't able to properly express what a horror tackle it was, and Wright was strangely subdued when calling the offside decision as incorrect. I've seen Wright on other programmes be much more passionate and honest (which is what viewers want and deserve), but pundits on the BBC are clearly told not to bash the FA too much.

Quite how a licence-paid TV programme could spend more time praising the form and headers of Calvert-Lewin and not even mention the Thiago leg breaker tackle and red card is truly astonishing.

The only real discussion points of that game were VAR, the offside rule, and endangering opponents. The goals and individual performances were almost irrelevant.

The BBC sucking the FA's dicks yet again.

Wright was quite vocal about it on Twitter. I generally like Wright, I do think you're on to something in terms of the BBC not allowing their pundits to properly speak their minds.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1448 on: October 18, 2020, 12:13:54 PM »
An issue with forums is that people tend to pick apart and analyse every word. I don't think any sensible fan thinks Coote is corrupt in the true sense of the word, but words like 'corrupt' and 'bent' get dished about as they are used in a less literal way. Unless Coote had a seizure at the time of Pickfords lunge then there is zero doubt in my mind he done one over on us. The very recent past where Robinson made him look like the twat he is just gives motive and more reason.

The other thing that rubs salt in the wounds is that BT, TV refs, rivals and even MOTD are pretty much unanimous that Pickford should have gone it was not offside. That very rarely happens. I also don't think I can remember a match with so many incidents that were so blatantly wrong. One you can always forgive or put down to a fuck up but the fact that he fucked us throughout leaves me in no doubt he had an agenda. Glad the club have spoke out and it shows how they feel about it also.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1449 on: October 18, 2020, 12:16:31 PM »
David Coote needs to be held responsible. We've lost 2 points purely down to him. Pickford should have gone. Again down to him. Refs need to be held accountable for such obvious errors.

Perhaps we need a VAR system to monitor the VAR officials for clear and obvious errors because that twat Coote has made plenty as a VAR official.
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« Reply #1450 on: October 18, 2020, 12:19:24 PM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points if they want but we can't risk any more leg breaks and assaults from these cowardly, nasty thugs.

Remember in 04/05 when they injured four of ours in the first half and one had to play on injured ? We still beat them but what they did that day got them 4th place over us due to the injuries, who knows if history will repeat if they're still in a good position.

Just refuse to play them. That wasn't football yesterday. It was criminal.

Fuck that, beat the bastards with the humiliation they deserve. Treat dogs like dogs. We are head and shoulders above this lot and with proper officiating the scoreline would have reflected the elite versus the also rans.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1451 on: October 18, 2020, 12:20:09 PM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points if they want but we can't risk any more leg breaks and assaults from these cowardly, nasty thugs.

Remember in 04/05 when they injured four of ours in the first half and one had to play on injured ? We still beat them but what they did that day got them 4th place over us due to the injuries, who knows if history will repeat if they're still in a good position.

Just refuse to play them. That wasn't football yesterday. It was criminal.

I was thinking this was a bit hyperbolic and then I checked who posted it.

Would it not be better to play them and just batter them. Let our football do the talking?

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« Reply #1452 on: October 18, 2020, 12:25:17 PM »
I don't think Coote is 'corrupt' or any of that nonsense. But I do think there might be the very real possibility that he acted unprofessionally, given what happened after the Burnley game last season.
These guys are human beings like the rest of us. We are an emotional species and it's not unreasonable to think that he might have held a lingering grudge, at least to the point where he wasn't going to let any close calls go our way.
The club has every right to expect a clear and honest explanation why that was given offside. The players and coaching staff worked hard for those 3 points and fully deserved them. But some twat sat in front of a screen somewhere thought otherwise, and I for one would like to know why.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1453 on: October 18, 2020, 12:26:27 PM »
On the 'conspiracy' angle, a problem with VAR is it's open to abuse.

It's hard for a referee to be bent because he's solely accountable for his decisions. Intimidated by a crowd or by the threat of Alex Ferguson getting him demoted? Sure. Biased, consciously or unconsciously (i.e. player has a reputation as a diver, less likely to get a penalty) - at times, yes.

Instead we've gone from referees being accountable to a faceless TV monitor known as VAR to take the heat. But who are the people behind the screens watching back and making decisions? They're not accountable, but they're making match deciding decisions based on tiny fractions. Those decisions yesterday were made by a Man United fan with a grudge against us.

Referees make mistakes. It's in real time and they don't always get a good view and have to make a split second call. Mistakes from VAR are unacceptable and given it's human beings making the decisions, how do we know they're made in good faith?

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« Reply #1454 on: October 18, 2020, 12:29:46 PM »
I was thinking this was a bit hyperbolic and then I checked who posted it.

Would it not be better to play them and just batter them. Let our football do the talking?

Batter them but come away with more injuries. A pyrrhic victory. Why should we have to play against thuggish scum when the league and the referees refuse to give our players any protection? The club have a duty of care to the players. Sending them out to get their legs broken isn't fair.

Without guarantees from Ancelotti that we won't be subjected to assaults and thuggishness, we should refuse to take to the pitch.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1455 on: October 18, 2020, 12:35:32 PM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points if they want but we can't risk any more leg breaks and assaults from these cowardly, nasty thugs.

Remember in 04/05 when they injured four of ours in the first half and one had to play on injured ? We still beat them but what they did that day got them 4th place over us due to the injuries, who knows if history will repeat if they're still in a good position.

Just refuse to play them. That wasn't football yesterday. It was criminal.
This would just reward their thuggery
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1456 on: October 18, 2020, 12:35:56 PM »
We should refuse to play Everton at Anfield. Let them have the three points...
Please step away from the keyboard. You've been in every thread I go in posting more nonsense each time.

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« Reply #1457 on: October 18, 2020, 12:37:00 PM »
This would just reward their thuggery

Their thuggery is rewarded by the injuries. Do you think Evertonians are made up this weekend because they got a draw or because they've crocked Van Dijk and Thiago?

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1458 on: October 18, 2020, 12:37:54 PM »
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« Reply #1459 on: October 18, 2020, 12:39:39 PM »
Is that fucker Coote really a Utd fan?

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« Reply #1460 on: October 18, 2020, 12:39:54 PM »
Batter them but come away with more injuries. A pyrrhic victory. Why should we have to play against thuggish scum when the league and the referees refuse to give our players any protection? The club have a duty of care to the players. Sending them out to get their legs broken isn't fair.

Without guarantees from Ancelotti that we won't be subjected to assaults and thuggishness, we should refuse to take to the pitch.

Honestly have a day off, it’s more and more nonsense from you since yesterday.
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« Reply #1461 on: October 18, 2020, 12:40:11 PM »
Please step away from the keyboard. You've been in every thread I go in posting more nonsense each time.

I agree. Bore off with this ridiculous shit.
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« Reply #1462 on: October 18, 2020, 12:41:54 PM »
Honestly have a day off, it’s more and more nonsense from you since yesterday.

There are a few starting to fall into this category - getting a bit ridiculous on here some of the shouts  ;D

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1463 on: October 18, 2020, 12:47:20 PM »
Batter them but come away with more injuries. A pyrrhic victory. Why should we have to play against thuggish scum when the league and the referees refuse to give our players any protection? The club have a duty of care to the players. Sending them out to get their legs broken isn't fair.

Without guarantees from Ancelotti that we won't be subjected to assaults and thuggishness, we should refuse to take to the pitch.

This really isn’t helping.

I’ve watched countless derbies and seen countless terrible challenges from both sides, Gerrard, that one Kuyt did which somehow went unpunished, there’s been to end. Granted the balance is probably in Everton’s favour in that respect but we can’t be hypocritical and be suddenly up in arms about it now that it’s affected us.

What we do have a right to question is why the one on Van Dijk is reviewed and nothing is done about it. I can accept that sometimes a hot to tackle gets missed (agin the Kuyt one springs to kind) but when you have video evidence to go back over it I find it pretty stunning that it gets missed.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1464 on: October 18, 2020, 12:47:48 PM »
Thats fine. I don´t disagree with any of it. If you look at my post above you will see I am as pissed off as anyone and just as wanting of answers. I just don´t think it does anyone any favours to be diving down any rabbit holes. Although I also understand emotions are high and that is the times we are living in.


As for the rest of this, growing up in this city and having had the unfortunate experience to meet (and live among) plenty of arseholes from elsewhere, I am well aware of the stereotypes, and I am also very well aware of what's Hillsborough meant and means for this city thank you very much. I wasn´t born then, let alone unfortunate enough to have been there, but I don´t need to take any lectures on that issue - especially in the aftermath of a derby when this city is once again on its knees.

It is also fair to say that football, and by extension this club, have changed beyond recognition since then. hence my comment about little-old-LFC. The city of Liverpool is a different matter, and that affects both Reds and Blues (which is why I think its a bit bang out of order for you to even be raising Hillsborough in this manner if I´m honest).

I appreciate tensions are high so I will give the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise I would be saying to wind your neck in. Likewise with all your talk of going-to-the-Caf bollocks.

I am sure this thread will be locked by the end of the day anyway. And probably for the best.



Good. Otherwise I would have been a bit outraged  ;D

No worries, mate. Can’t PM anyone yet, or I’d take this off the forum. I firmly acknowledge that a Scouser like yourself will always have the high ground over a non-local like myself. It was the comparison to City “fans” that set me off. Happy to wind the neck back in.

Re: red/blue and the city, I didn’t mean to be dismissive of Everton supporting residents, but as I’m sure you’re aware, the blue half is also something that isn’t readily apparent outside of the city to most. The Reds truly are synonymous with the city in most of the world, and the Toffees are about as well known and relevant to most as City were to the city of Manchester (which the unwashed masses associated with Fergie and United) before Abu Dhabi came on the scene (unless you’re old and decrepit enough to remember Howard Kendall and the 80s like I am!) Not excusing that ignorance, but that does mean that issues that do encompass the blue half of the city and go well beyond football’s niche in society tend not to be seen through the wider blue *and* red prism that you possess, so LFC end up being somewhat of a proxy for the city.

Anyway, back on topic: Thiago is boss and the key to our evolution! Refs are blind/corrupt/useless! VAR is ruining the game we love! We’re still winning #20 this season, even if it means we out score everyone 5-4 and need to pip City to the title by a point with an added time winner on the final weekend, right before Virg makes a triumphant return as we do the treble with #7 a fortnight later.

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« Reply #1465 on: October 18, 2020, 12:48:09 PM »
I agree. Bore off with this ridiculous shit.

Fair enough. I'm just still seething. Not even bothered about the three points yesterday (as annoying as the VAR robbery was). It's the injuries we're left with.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1466 on: October 18, 2020, 12:49:15 PM »
I watched the game yesterday then, after a bit of scran, watched the challenge cup final.  The two events were polar opposites in terms of sportsmanship, respect for the opposition, respect for the game, respect for the officials and the way in which the video assistance was used.

There was no feigning injury, no deliberately trying to injure the opposition, no diving, no waving of imaginary cards.  And at the end dignity in victory and defeat.  Everton didn't even have dignity in a draw (I know, that's a victory for them)

But the ref was in charge and he used the video ref when he needed help, and asked for it.  And what the video ref was seeing, and using to HELP make the decision, HELP-not make it for him, was seen on the screen.  We can also hear it on the telly but in the stadium you can see the screen - makes the officials accountable and open.  It wasn't done in secret leaving all in the stadium oblivious of what's going on.

I've frequently espoused stuff about the time keep in RL on these boards so won't go there again but there's a lot to learn from the other games if FIFA and the FA will just get their arrogant heads out of each other's arses and take a look at best practice.  I know there's still human incompetence of officials to take into account but doing it all in the open and leaving the ref on the pitch in charge, unlike now, will go a long way to fixing things.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1467 on: October 18, 2020, 12:52:11 PM »
Forfeit the next game against them which would see us get docked three points and everyone poss themselves. Handing three points to Everton too. And then one of our players gets injured in training that week or something. Foolproof.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1468 on: October 18, 2020, 12:53:40 PM »
I know from refereeing at a minor level the ESFA was clear with me that I had a duty of care to all participants. I wonder if professional referees or their governing body also have a duty of care? If so Oliver and Coote were clearly in breach of that yesterday regarding the assault by Pickford on VVD.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1469 on: October 18, 2020, 12:54:55 PM »
There is a big difference between referees being influenced by certain environmental factors, as will happen to any human referee in any sport ever, and corruption. Corruption implies backhanders or some other financial or political gain with a wider motive.

A referee letting a previous bias consciously or unconsciously cloud their judgement is not the same thing. That is an issue of competence and professionalism.

And I´m sorry, but to think that little old LFC, one of the biggest and richest clubs in the world, is on the receiving end of some grand conspiracy is straight up bullshit on a level with City fans crying foul at everything and anything.

Coudn't agree more. We've seen shit refereeing all over the league for years, costing some teams relegation, and VAR has just added a patina of gloss to that turd.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1470 on: October 18, 2020, 12:56:20 PM »
It was a shit shit match, with some awful decisions, but that's it. It's hardly a conspiracy against us, I mean Villa stayed in the league cos of shit technology and it's still not up to scratch even after that bollock drop. The lack of transparency for the user of VAR is what pissed me off. Everton cheering like they've won the league by snapping two of our players and dodging a loss by a sleeve shows their level
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1471 on: October 18, 2020, 01:01:29 PM »
No worries, mate. Can’t PM anyone yet, or I’d take this off the forum. I firmly acknowledge that a Scouser like yourself will always have the high ground over a non-local like myself. It was the comparison to City “fans” that set me off. Happy to wind the neck back in.

All good!! Like I said tensions are high. And I might be from the city, but you´ve got 20+ years of following this club on me, so speak out by all means! That doesn´t give me any right to be silencing anyone  :)


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Re: red/blue and the city, I didn’t mean to be dismissive of Everton supporting residents, but as I’m sure you’re aware, the blue half is also something that isn’t readily apparent outside of the city to most. The Reds truly are synonymous with the city in most of the world, and the Toffees are about as well known and relevant to most as City were to the city of Manchester (which the unwashed masses associated with Fergie and United) before Abu Dhabi came on the scene (unless you’re old and decrepit enough to remember Howard Kendall and the 80s like I am!) Not excusing that ignorance, but that does mean that issues that do encompass the blue half of the city and go well beyond football’s niche in society tend not to be seen through the wider blue *and* red prism that you possess, so LFC end up being somewhat of a proxy for the city.

I mean don´t get me wrong, Everton have some absolute wrong´uns supporting them, who show their faces time and again. Thankfully most of the ones I know are still sound (sort of!). I like to think that their most bitter elements who make a show of themselves on match day are those who come in from outside the city, but I know that is probably wishful thinking.


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Anyway, back on topic: Thiago is boss and the key to our evolution! Refs are blind/corrupt/useless! VAR is ruining the game we love! We’re still winning #20 this season, even if it means we out score everyone 5-4 and need to pip City to the title by a point with an added time winner on the final weekend, right before Virg makes a triumphant return as we do the treble with #7 a fortnight later.

And welcome to the forum by the way!  ;D

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1472 on: October 18, 2020, 01:04:38 PM »
There are a few starting to fall into this category - getting a bit ridiculous on here some of the shouts  ;D

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1473 on: October 18, 2020, 01:05:29 PM »
Not usually one for eye-for-eye, but I'd like to see Richarleson kicked into Stanley Park, personally.
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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1474 on: October 18, 2020, 01:10:16 PM »
I don't think Coote is 'corrupt' or any of that nonsense. But I do think there might be the very real possibility that he acted unprofessionally, given what happened after the Burnley game last season.
These guys are human beings like the rest of us. We are an emotional species and it's not unreasonable to think that he might have held a lingering grudge, at least to the point where he wasn't going to let any close calls go our way.
The club has every right to expect a clear and honest explanation why that was given offside. The players and coaching staff worked hard for those 3 points and fully deserved them. But some twat sat in front of a screen somewhere thought otherwise, and I for one would like to know why.

Corruption is part and parcel of every facet of human existence. You are very naive if you think it doesn't exist in football. There literally isn't one person who viewed T-Rex's assault yesterday who didn't think it was a red card only the ref and the VAR official.


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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1475 on: October 18, 2020, 01:13:01 PM »
I love our team and our manager but what Id do for a Gerrard or Souness type player out there yesterday. If the officials aren't going to protect you then players need to step up and take action.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1476 on: October 18, 2020, 01:13:46 PM »
Why didn’t any of our players get in Oliver’s face when Pickford made the tackle? Should have been all over him.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1477 on: October 18, 2020, 01:14:07 PM »
I love our team and our manager but what Id do for a Gerrard or Souness type player out there yesterday. If the officials aren't going to protect you then players need to step up and take action.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1478 on: October 18, 2020, 01:21:18 PM »
Why didn’t any of our players get in Oliver’s face when Pickford made the tackle? Should have been all over him.

I did wonder this.

I’m not one for players harassing the ref but I think in that situation, like how the players ran at the ref after the Thiago tackle, it’s sometimes needed.

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Re: PL: Everton 2 v The Champions 2 Mane 2' Keane 19’ Mo 71’ Calvert ‘80
« Reply #1479 on: October 18, 2020, 01:26:53 PM »
I've seen the assault on Virgil by that Trex armed little c*nt, how the fuck was that not a red. Still not seen any highlights, but how the fuck is this offside? Serious cheating going on here