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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1440 on: March 26, 2020, 06:18:25 PM »
The FA have suspended all non league football.... do people think it is right for them to do this and not the top divisions and also why do we think they have done this?

I'd be lived, some teams have already won promotion, but the results have been cancelled & void, & the teams won't be promoted, Vauxhall Motors are first in there league, 16 points ahead of second place & won promotion, all that is now for nothing.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1441 on: March 26, 2020, 06:22:06 PM »
Not an issue.

Just seen this...

Barce want to cut players salaries:

https://en.as.com/en/2020/03/26/football/1585213635_810928.html

This doesn't put my mind at rest, Craig...  ???
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1442 on: March 26, 2020, 06:24:19 PM »
You might wanna have look at Barca's financial capabilities and they also want to redevelop their stadium. They're fucked in the long run.  Out of all the big clubs they are the worst run.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1443 on: March 26, 2020, 06:28:52 PM »
The FA have suspended all non league football.... do people think it is right for them to do this and not the top divisions and also why do we think they have done this?
What? They have suspended top division football. Where have you been?

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1444 on: March 26, 2020, 06:39:08 PM »
I'd be lived, some teams have already won promotion, but the results have been cancelled & void, & the teams won't be promoted, Vauxhall Motors are first in there league, 16 points ahead of second place & won promotion, all that is now for nothing.

They didn't think they had a choice as they won't have the money to pay wages beyond April which is when the seasons finish. Given it's been a bad winter for postponements they've got 2 or 3 months of games to fit in, so even if they could start at the end of April/early May (which is not likely) they'd be going into the end of June or into July. 

I often watch non league football but won't bother next season because there's no point when you're cancelling leagues at this stage. I'll say the same if it happens in the Prem which they're thankfully for now adamant it won't. How many fans will just sack off non league next season as a result of this? Especially clubs who were in promotion positions.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1445 on: March 26, 2020, 06:45:26 PM »
What? They have suspended top division football. Where have you been?

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Only broke an hour ago!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351

Season 19/20 Null and voided. All results expunged from the records.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1446 on: March 26, 2020, 06:47:44 PM »
Not really. They couldn't have to pay back nearly 800 million as a league like the Premier League clubs would have to because they bet that money against survival or getting European places. 

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1447 on: March 26, 2020, 06:57:47 PM »
The FA have suspended all non league football.... do people think it is right for them to do this and not the top divisions and also why do we think they have done this?
I suspect the driver in this is money. The clubs simply cannot survive long enough paying wages to a full staff until a restarted season. With a terminated season they can sack all non essential staff  and try and survive for a new season.

I think the chances of this happening in the PL and Champ are slim. But the PL has always been about money. If there is more money in starting a new season than in finishing an old one....

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1448 on: March 26, 2020, 07:06:42 PM »
The FA have suspended all non league football.... do people think it is right for them to do this and not the top divisions and also why do we think they have done this?

There's too much tv money to be voided for top divisions,in comparison no one is arsed about non league football whether it be right or wrong

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1449 on: March 26, 2020, 07:12:34 PM »
I posted this on the other thread but relevant here too, here's a breakdown of the money every premier league club received last season, & remember they have a new TV deal from this season so the money has gone up, so no way the season will be cancelled as the clubs will have to pay the TV money back, & receive no prize money.



I'll quote this as this is why the premier league won't be cancelled

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1450 on: March 26, 2020, 07:14:47 PM »
Only broke an hour ago!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351

Season 19/20 Null and voided. All results expunged from the records.
Right. That's voided, not suspended, which is what the guy said. Words do matter!
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1451 on: March 26, 2020, 07:42:36 PM »
South Shields statement below. If clubs like this are threatening legal action, imagine the shit storm the likes of ourselves and Leeds would kick up if the same happened to the pro leagues.

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Over recent weeks the coronavirus outbreak has reminded us all – as if we needed it – that football is just a game.

Health must always take priority over sport and this is a virus which does not discriminate. It has affected us all and there is rightly huge worry over health and livelihoods across the world.

Our strong belief is that football will have a key part to play when life eventually returns to normal, whenever that will be.

Football binds so many of us together and is important to so many lives. Not important in the grand scheme of life and health, but important nonetheless. It provides a release to so many people once or twice a week and individuals the world over dedicate much of their lives to following their team and striving for every ounce of joy it brings. At its best it is a simply joyful game.

For that reason, we make no apology for making our feelings regarding the FA’s decision to declare the 2019-20 season null and void from step three of the non-league system downwards known.

As has been well-documented, ahead of the season being paused as a result of the coronavirus outbreak just 10 days ago South Shields sat top of the BetVictor Northern Premier Division, 12 points clear of our nearest rivals with nine games to play.

We will now never know how the remainder of the campaign would have played out but we have full confidence that our outstanding players and management would have completed the job and sealed promotion to National League North.

To have that prospect snatched away so quickly is something all players and staff at the club are finding understandably difficult to comprehend.

We do not understand the rush there has been among many quarters of the non-league game to conclude the season so quickly.

We recognise that many clubs simply do not have the resources to continue paying players and staff during an enforced lay-off such as this, with so much uncertainty over when football will return. But would it not have been more prudent to keep the season suspended until it is safe to return, end contracts as they would usually end following the completion of the season, allow clubs to re-assemble squads when the situation is more clear and then complete this campaign when the opportunity arises?

The FA’s decision has effectively punished those clubs further down the non-league system which have strived tirelessly over the last six months to progress up the pyramid. We stand alongside the many other clubs which find themselves in a similar situation and have already opened dialogue with some of them regarding the best way forward. We will write to the FA in the strongest possible terms so they are left in no uncertainty as to our feelings, and will seek to appeal if there is a mechanism to do so. If the response does not satisfy us we will seek legal advice.

We will seek clarification over whether, with all of the results of the 2019-20 season now annulled, all fines paid to the FA as a result of players picking up yellow and red cards in those matches will now be reimbursed. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will now refund all tickets bought by supporters for those annulled games. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will reimburse the costs accrued by clubs over the last six months for coach travel to away fixtures, which in our case equates to approximately £20,000. We have several other questions and look forward to the FA’s reply.

A further concern of ours is that, should coronavirus be ‘beaten’ over the summer months only to return in a frightening second wave next winter, results next season will also be annulled. It is our strong suggestion that the FA rule book is amended now so that such injustices do not occur again in the future. If seasons cannot be completed, we strongly disagree that they should be consigned to the history books. There are fairer ways to draw a line under things, including applying a points per game ratio to the standings and potentially promoting those in promotion positions and sparing those in relegation spots, leading to some leagues being slightly larger in number the following campaign.

We look forward with interest to see which way the National League season is finalised. What is the reason the FA has allowed step three of the non-league system downwards to be cut off from the pyramid in this way?

We also look ahead with interest to see which way other leagues higher up the pyramid – particularly the Premier League – are concluded should no more football be possible. Will the Premier League also be null and void should this happen?

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1452 on: March 26, 2020, 07:55:25 PM »
The rest of this season and then next season (or at least most of it) quite probably will be behind closed doors or restricted to two meter social distancing which isn't really feasible beyond the Etihad stadium.

They'll try and get this season back underway behind closed doors within a couple of months. At least there's a chance now the government have finally started to act.

Right now football and sport doesn't matter  and it's all cancelled. But a couple of months of practical lockdown and everyone will be climbing the walls and  in need of light relief.

The two main issues, particularly the first thing:

1) Players will continue to catch the virus/symptoms of the virus - forcing often mass self-isolation and quarantine - and you obviously can't adhere to social distancing playing a game of football. How can they get around that? At some point they'll have to decide to just play on (or they'll just have to cancel football altogether until the vaccine) but it's how soon that decision is reached.

2) If matches are behind closed doors (which they'll have to be for the forseeable) then the safety advice will be against football going ahead IF the pubs are back open. When the pubs do re-open they'll presumably have to adhere to social distancing. If Liverpool are playing for the title, or it's Merseyside derby, then that's not going to happen.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1453 on: March 26, 2020, 08:22:10 PM »
Be nice if defenders were to finally give Mo a bit of social distancing.
He just needs to start coughing when he's being pulled about left right an centre by yard dogs...
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1454 on: March 26, 2020, 08:57:00 PM »

Only broke an hour ago!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351

Season 19/20 Null and voided. All results expunged from the records.

The national league hasn't

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1455 on: March 26, 2020, 09:06:46 PM »
Not necessarily. The crisis could be wilfully prolonged to ensure the NHS is able to cope with the medical demands. A long lockdown isn’t necessarily a terrible thing health wise; it may indicate a responsible handling of the disease.

This touches on the good old cognitive dissonance I have been having in recent days. On the one hand, the emergency needs to be elongated to minimse deaths. On the other hand, the league has to resume soon or the Reds may not get their title. Take your pick, wha’? Obviously, the former is the correct answer.

FWIW, I think there is a ‘date’ beyond which the only decision possible will be to scrap the season. I don’t think the money will matter. (I also don’t accept the ‘we need football for morale’ argument either. The virus can be beaten without morale but it cannot be beaten without social distancing). Whether we get the title without the two more wins is anyone’s guess.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1456 on: March 26, 2020, 09:32:15 PM »
I'd be lived, some teams have already won promotion, but the results have been cancelled & void, & the teams won't be promoted, Vauxhall Motors are first in there league, 16 points ahead of second place & won promotion, all that is now for nothing.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1457 on: March 26, 2020, 09:38:54 PM »
So then we carry on where we left off because one season leads onto the next one.  If it's safe enough to start an new season, it's safe enough to complete the last nine games.  ;D
If it takes that long to get back to normal we might be as well to just pick up this season at the same point next year, ie from Everton away on Monday 15th March 2021 and take it from there, just a year late. PL champions 2019/20/21.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1458 on: March 26, 2020, 10:26:11 PM »
If it takes that long to get back to normal we might be as well to just pick up this season at the same point next year, ie from Everton away on Monday 15th March 2021 and take it from there, just a year late. PL champions 2019/20/21.

A calendar year without football?! That would be most unpleasant.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1459 on: March 26, 2020, 10:30:23 PM »
A calendar year without football?! That would be most unpleasant.

With the first game back for us when the league resumes[if they keep the fixtures as was but with a new date] is Everton, at the house of Wood.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1460 on: March 26, 2020, 11:42:23 PM »
South Shields statement below. If clubs like this are threatening legal action, imagine the shit storm the likes of ourselves and Leeds would kick up if the same happened to the pro leagues.
No matter what action (or lack thereof) is taken, there will be litigation from several angles.
1).The null & void option would bring it from the clubs at the top of the respective divisions — I would assume.
2a)Extending the season beyond 30 June would likely bring litigation from clubs who are going to lose players out of contract. (I'm looking at you, Bournemouth and Watford)
2b) If automatic contact extensions were enacted, then agents & players would bring the litigation as you can't just force players (and managers/coaches/staff etc) to automatically extend contracts without agreeing to the agreement.
3a). Ending the season as the table is would almost guarantee litigation from the clubs all sitting in the relegation spots throughout the leagues (especially Villa since they have a game in hand). Added to the possibility of others e.g. Sheffield United where they have that game in hand vs Villa that could boost them in the Champs. League qualifications.
3b) Ending the seasons w/promotion and no relegation would probably screw up the leagues (with numbers you might be able to make it work out but that would also be controversial)


I just don't see any way that there isn't some form of litigation filed no matter the decision that is taken. Which really sucks

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1461 on: March 27, 2020, 12:03:43 AM »
If it takes that long to get back to normal we might be as well to just pick up this season at the same point next year, ie from Everton away on Monday 15th March 2021 and take it from there, just a year late. PL champions 2019/20/21.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1462 on: March 27, 2020, 12:51:29 AM »
This touches on the good old cognitive dissonance I have been having in recent days. On the one hand, the emergency needs to be elongated to minimse deaths. On the other hand, the league has to resume soon or the Reds may not get their title. Take your pick, wha’? Obviously, the former is the correct answer.

FWIW, I think there is a ‘date’ beyond which the only decision possible will be to scrap the season. I don’t think the money will matter. (I also don’t accept the ‘we need football for morale’ argument either. The virus can be beaten without morale but it cannot be beaten without social distancing). Whether we get the title without the two more wins is anyone’s guess.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1463 on: March 27, 2020, 03:04:57 AM »
Time to get rid of the League Cup and FA Cup replays.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1464 on: March 27, 2020, 07:03:53 AM »
Im all over the place with this. One day I don't care, the other day i panic they will void it, and the next im sure it will go ahead  :butt
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1465 on: March 27, 2020, 07:20:32 AM »
Time to get rid of the League Cup and FA Cup replays.
Perfect opportunity and reason behind it to do it now.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1466 on: March 27, 2020, 07:30:39 AM »
Nothing has changed from the PL perspective since it was announced that the season will be resumed when possible, so not sure of why all the new panic in here

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1467 on: March 27, 2020, 07:41:44 AM »
Just think - when the final whistle blows in the game we win the league (and it WILL happen) - we should all have at least one bog roll to chuck onto the pitch - what a scene that will be  ;D

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1468 on: March 27, 2020, 07:42:27 AM »
Ornstein with an article in The Athletic this morning “Growing appetite for Premier League season to be abandoned on moral grounds”. Several quotes from high-ups in clearly relegation threatened teams saying league should be abandoned etc.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1469 on: March 27, 2020, 07:53:48 AM »
Ornstein with an article in The Athletic this morning “Growing appetite for Premier League season to be abandoned on moral grounds”. Several quotes from high-ups in clearly relegation threatened teams saying league should be abandoned etc.

But the PL have said it will be resumed.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1470 on: March 27, 2020, 07:54:53 AM »
Under the current rules the season has to end before June 1. But in light of the events, the FA has already said the season has been extended indefinitely. That means the season can be completed whenever it is safe to do so. Until that changes I have no reason to believe the season won’t finish. The rest is just speculation, conjecture and Man United/Man City fans calling for the season to be null and void while they have no logical reason except stopping Liverpool winning the league.

If anyone is using a reason to state null and void then surely the same reason applies why the new season won’t start in August. If the current season is to be cancelled because of this crisis then surely the same crisis cannot allow the new season to start in August. People who constantly cite this haven’t a fucking clue what they’re talking about. They’re not using common sense and their logic is flawed. We can’t wash away a season that’s more than 75% done and then all come back in August and pretend it was a write off. Thankfully both the FA and PL know this and no club wanted the season to be voided at last weeks PL meeting. In fact, the more likely outcome is that we don’t start the new season in August, we start 2 months after this one has ended. If we finish this one in July we come back in September or October.

All the litigations and lawsuits have already been mentioned in this thread, as well as the European league places and promotions/relegations. But what about us? Are we just going to accept the league was cancelled after leading it by 25 points? Not a bloody chance we do that and both the FA and PL know it.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1471 on: March 27, 2020, 07:55:02 AM »
Sad thing regardless is losing what's looking like 6 months minimum of our team in their prime. Hopefully it gets sorted best for everyone etc, but if the league is stopped I genuinely wonder how many will just jib it off. I'd be done personally
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1472 on: March 27, 2020, 08:10:24 AM »
Ornstein with an article in The Athletic this morning “Growing appetite for Premier League season to be abandoned on moral grounds”. Several quotes from high-ups in clearly relegation threatened teams saying league should be abandoned etc.

On moral grounds..

People need sport in their life. It helps with people's mental state and is a realise. The players need it for their health also.

No other sport would stop on moral grounds. If the league ends then that's me done with the game.

Even if football is done behind closed doors I would take that. No excuses not for the season to finish at so point.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1473 on: March 27, 2020, 08:15:26 AM »
Ornstein with an article in The Athletic this morning “Growing appetite for Premier League season to be abandoned on moral grounds”. Several quotes from high-ups in clearly relegation threatened teams saying league should be abandoned etc.

The first 2 paragraphs of that article are absolute bollocks.

“A number of Premier League clubs want to end the current season with immediate effect and replay it in full once it is deemed safe to do so — even if that means Liverpool being denied a first title in 30 years.

One senior figure told The Athletic it is morally wrong for football to even be discussing playing behind closed doors while the coronavirus crisis is at its peak.”

Replay it in full? Hahahaha! So now we’ve gone from canceling it and pretending it never happened to replaying it even if it meant Liverpool are denied their title. Fucking hell, I’ve heard it all now.

And the senior figure? Fine let’s not play behind closed doors. Let’s play in front of fans when it’s safe to do so. There’s a difference in doing that and replaying a season.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1474 on: March 27, 2020, 08:28:12 AM »
The first 2 paragraphs of that article are absolute bollocks.

“A number of Premier League clubs want to end the current season with immediate effect and replay it in full once it is deemed safe to do so — even if that means Liverpool being denied a first title in 30 years.

One senior figure told The Athletic it is morally wrong for football to even be discussing playing behind closed doors while the coronavirus crisis is at its peak.”

Replay it in full? Hahahaha! So now we’ve gone from canceling it and pretending it never happened to replaying it even if it meant Liverpool are denied their title. Fucking hell, I’ve heard it all now.

And the senior figure? Fine let’s not play behind closed doors. Let’s play in front of fans when it’s safe to do so. There’s a difference in doing that and replaying a season.

I'd agree that football can only start to be resumed after the peak has cleared, but what's that got to do with abandoning the season?

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1475 on: March 27, 2020, 08:38:11 AM »
I'll tell you what's morally wrong, putting 'news' behind a paywall during a global disaster.

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1476 on: March 27, 2020, 09:00:56 AM »
I'd agree that football can only start to be resumed after the peak has cleared, but what's that got to do with abandoning the season?

Yep. Crock of shite. It’s one PL chairman anyway.

“If it’s not feasible, just end this league, with whatever consequences that has. There are very few losers. Liverpool, I know, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter”.

Is he on a windup? Very few consequences??! Seems like this is another one that doesn’t want to get relegated because they’re sitting in a relegation spot. He’s aptly forgotten to mention Leeds, West Brom, Leicester, Sheffield United, Fulham, Aston Villa and a bunch of others.
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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1477 on: March 27, 2020, 09:04:05 AM »
The season will not be abandoned as that would mean the clubs would need to pay back the TV money. How many of the lower clubs could manage that, without a real struggle? There is no point starting from scratch only for the season to be paused all over again next season.
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« Reply #1478 on: March 27, 2020, 09:06:46 AM »
Yep. Crock of shite. It’s one PL chairman anyway.

“If it’s not feasible, just end this league, with whatever consequences that has. There are very few losers. Liverpool, I know, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter”.

Is he on a windup? Very few consequences??! Seems like this is another one that doesn’t want to get relegated because they’re sitting in a relegation spot. He’s aptly forgotten to mention Leeds, West Brom, Leicester, Sheffield United, Fulham, Aston Villa and a bunch of others.

Fine. Cancel next season as well then because the virus will still be there and potentially worse over winter. No £120m TV cheque as well as paying the money back for the rest of this season. Would he still say it doesn't matter?

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Re: Premier League suspended until 30th April
« Reply #1479 on: March 27, 2020, 09:06:52 AM »
Nothing has changed from the PL perspective since it was announced that the season will be resumed when possible, so not sure of why all the new panic in here

My understanding is that the Premier League is a completely separate entity to the FA and therefore not subject to any decisions made by the FA. Unless the FA are willing to foot the 800 million pound repayment that would be owed to TV companies in the event of abandonment (which there's little to no chance of them doing) then they really have no say in what the Premier League decides to do. As others have mentioned, people can call for abandonment all they want but it counts for fuck all. All that really counts is the ink on the contracts between the PL and the TV companies. Period. End of story.

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