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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11920 on: May 22, 2020, 09:03:01 PM »
Did this happen at the “everyone round to Marriappa’s” the other night?

Could have come into contact with an infected staff member

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11921 on: May 22, 2020, 09:12:49 PM »


Yes! Rushie's coming back for the derby! That's what dating a younger woman does to you ;)
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« Reply #11922 on: May 22, 2020, 09:13:45 PM »
I don't mind Kante or Deeney saying they wont train or play etc. That's their prerogative (assuming footballers can't be forced to work like the rest of us) but I'm wondering where a line is drawn? What's to stop a whole team from saying they don't feel safe and wont play?
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« Reply #11923 on: May 22, 2020, 09:14:31 PM »
I don't mind Kante or Deeney saying they wont train or play etc. That's their prerogative (assuming footballers can't be forced to work like the rest of us) but I'm wondering where a line is drawn? What's to stop a whole team from saying they don't feel safe and wont play?

Nothing, and then their club deals with forfeiting their games.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11924 on: May 22, 2020, 09:16:10 PM »
Watford, bless them, they're trying their best to ruin everything aren't they? ;D
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« Reply #11925 on: May 22, 2020, 09:17:02 PM »
Nothing, and then their club deals with forfeiting their games.

But Klopp for example said he hasn't got a problem with players if they don't want to train. One or two might be manageable. But what if 5,6,7 or more all of a sudden said they didn't want to train?

I just think it needs clarifying or we could be in a very messy situation.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11926 on: May 22, 2020, 09:28:16 PM »
The tests that came back positive were done before squads were back training? So for anyone to have been in contact with them means they were breaking lockdown rules?
It doesn’t specify that the two who were quarantined today were in contact with the players and staff who tested positive the other day. It could have been family.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11927 on: May 22, 2020, 09:29:43 PM »
But Klopp for example said he hasn't got a problem with players if they don't want to train. One or two might be manageable. But what if 5,6,7 or more all of a sudden said they didn't want to train?

I just think it needs clarifying or we could be in a very messy situation.

The league already has a precedent it set with Spurs in 05/06 and Boro in 96/97. Any illness that sweeps through a squad is just treated the same as any other injury. You either play or have a points deduction
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11928 on: May 22, 2020, 09:48:26 PM »
Am I the only on thinking that if the CL this season is finished with playing one legged ties on neutral empty venues then the winner of the competition won't be regarded as highly as a winner in any other year?

It just doesn't feel right to me to finish such a higly regarded competition in a "let's just finish it asap and be done with it" manner. And I'd feel the same even if we were in it.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11929 on: May 22, 2020, 09:52:03 PM »
But Klopp for example said he hasn't got a problem with players if they don't want to train. One or two might be manageable. But what if 5,6,7 or more all of a sudden said they didn't want to train?

I just think it needs clarifying or we could be in a very messy situation.

They’ve been told it’s safe to go back.

If individual players choose not to go back to work, it’ll be up to their clubs to deal with.
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« Reply #11930 on: May 22, 2020, 09:58:24 PM »
They’ve been told it’s safe to go back.

If individual players choose not to go back to work, it’ll be up to their clubs to deal with.

By the sounds if it though clubs are saying they wont deal with it. Klopp said there wont be any punishments. So in theory if Mane, Salah and Firmino all said tomorrow they dont feel safe training they wouldn't face any fine or punishment from us. If that was the same at every club what would stop a mass player strike? Obviously I'm talking extremes here.
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« Reply #11931 on: May 22, 2020, 10:01:25 PM »
Yeah. I worded that badly. Not suggesting we are unworthy. But remember the chat about winning at Anfield in front of the kop and how mental that would be. ? It won't be the same in an empty Anfield. Sure it will still be great and yes the end of a thirty year wait. But I don't think this is how anyone would want it to happen. I also think I'll struggle not to think of the thousands that have died. I know it's not related but they'll be in my thoughts.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11932 on: May 22, 2020, 10:04:19 PM »
By the sounds if it though clubs are saying they wont deal with it. Klopp said there wont be any punishments. So in theory if Mane, Salah and Firmino all said tomorrow they dont feel safe training they wouldn't face any fine or punishment from us. If that was the same at every club what would stop a mass player strike? Obviously I'm talking extremes here.

Who said players would be punished? It’s up to each player and each club to decide. As soon as the league has decided it’s safe to play football, that’s what will happen. Just like any other job, if players then decide they don’t want to do their job then it’ll be up to their bosses how it’s dealt with. If enough players from one club decide to fuck their own team well....that’s up to them.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11933 on: May 22, 2020, 10:05:17 PM »
I don't mind Kante or Deeney saying they wont train or play etc. That's their prerogative (assuming footballers can't be forced to work like the rest of us) but I'm wondering where a line is drawn? What's to stop a whole team from saying they don't feel safe and wont play?

I've been asked the same question and I've said I'm happy to return to work in the 1st phase. I only work in an office. However, I'm keen to see us get back to normal and want to support it where I can and where it's safe. There are external vendors at work and local businesses around the office that rely on people being at work. The team who run the catering onsite are furloughed, for example. They can't work from home, like me. If we can get people back in the office, maybe they can work again too. Hopefully we get a snowball effect and we can start to get the wheels back on, people working and the economy moving.

I'm fairly fit and not in the high risk category. I don't think I'm at grave danger if I do get Covid-19 and I suspect I've already had it, right at the start of lockdown. I was on my arse with bad flu and a temp. Also had loss of taste.

It's my prerogative and there will be many like me. I suspect most footballers will feel safe and just want to get back on with their job. Those that don't have every right not to. There is a third group who are hiding behind covid to suit their own agendas, of course.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11934 on: May 22, 2020, 10:08:14 PM »


Yes! Rushie's coming back for the derby! That's what dating a younger woman does to you ;)

We live in a country with a history of institutionalised racism and discrimination, which has led to the sad result that BAME groups are more likely to live in poverty. And that’s what will be leading to the higher rates. It’s nothing genetic, I’d propose, as we’re all the same fucking race.

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/poverty/

BAME footballers in the premier league will live better lives than any of us. Townsend is a disgrace trying to imply being black has an effect.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11935 on: May 22, 2020, 10:12:53 PM »
By the sounds if it though clubs are saying they wont deal with it. Klopp said there wont be any punishments. So in theory if Mane, Salah and Firmino all said tomorrow they dont feel safe training they wouldn't face any fine or punishment from us. If that was the same at every club what would stop a mass player strike? Obviously I'm talking extremes here.

Klopp is very sure that his players are confident that everything has been done to make sure they are in the safest place they could be. And not just cos of the hard work done at Melwood, but mentaly too, being as the team has a psychologist too, and I'm sure he's been doing the rounds via video in recent weeks.

Onus should be on clubs to be as prepared, and questions should be asked of those clubs if players don't come back.

There can be totally explainable exeptions like Kante. But there should not be a senario where there would be a load of players doing so. But if there is, clubs have questions to answer.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11936 on: May 22, 2020, 10:13:14 PM »
If I play for a PL club and the club has asked me to jump, I will ask how high.

Deeney looks like the kind who would throw in the towel when the going gets tough. He would call his agent to be on the first flight out of Watford gets relegated.

And his mid-use of BAME as an excuse was poor form.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11937 on: May 22, 2020, 10:13:49 PM »
Andy Townsend chatting shite as usual I see.
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« Reply #11938 on: May 22, 2020, 10:16:40 PM »
Andy Townsend chatting shite as usual I see.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11939 on: May 22, 2020, 10:22:50 PM »
Andy Townsend chatting shite as usual I see.

I know.

On a more positive note, it's going to be great to see Rush back in training. Can't wait to see him in action for us again, it's been a long time.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11940 on: May 22, 2020, 10:42:50 PM »
Wrong Townsend 😂
;D  Fair enough, but the point remains.  ;)
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11941 on: May 22, 2020, 10:45:03 PM »
If more than 3-4 players refuse to play/ train then the club has failed in their duty to deal with players'concerns.

From the looks of things, our club have dealt with the issues properly which has led to everyone coming back. This will tell you who the successful clubs are and which ones are the failures like Watford.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11942 on: May 22, 2020, 10:52:27 PM »
Watford, bless them, they're trying their best to ruin everything aren't they? ;D

They're doing it at the wrong time if they are. 3-4 weeks until the season restarts so all the positive players and those self isolated should be back by the time it restarts. If they were trying to ruin it they'd do this a week before the season starts.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11943 on: May 22, 2020, 11:00:36 PM »
We live in a country with a history of institutionalised racism and discrimination, which has led to the sad result that BAME groups are more likely to live in poverty. And that’s what will be leading to the higher rates. It’s nothing genetic, I’d propose, as we’re all the same fucking race.

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/poverty/

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+1

It's actually pretty moronic to suggest it's some kind of "genetics" factor that means BAME are more likely to contract the virus.

It's indicative of the shitty world we live in where BAME are picking up the jobs us white middle aged males don't do.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11944 on: May 22, 2020, 11:09:05 PM »
Andy Townsend chatting shite as usual I see.

He’s self isolating in his tactics truck

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« Reply #11945 on: May 22, 2020, 11:11:44 PM »
If more than 3-4 players refuse to play/ train then the club has failed in their duty to deal with players'concerns.

From the looks of things, our club have dealt with the issues properly which has led to everyone coming back. This will tell you who the successful clubs are and which ones are the failures like Watford.

they are a bunch of mostly mercenary cast offs from other bigger european clubs. they are pretty much the junk yard of european football. i reckon a lot of them havent been disciplined over the 9 weeks and couldnt give a shite if they get relegated. they made a burst back in february and early march to attempt to avoid relegation.they have no interest in doing that again.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11946 on: May 22, 2020, 11:30:15 PM »
Are bundesliga players not human? why are they not suffering from any of these issues?   ::) :wanker

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11947 on: May 22, 2020, 11:41:31 PM »
By the sounds if it though clubs are saying they wont deal with it. Klopp said there wont be any punishments. So in theory if Mane, Salah and Firmino all said tomorrow they dont feel safe training they wouldn't face any fine or punishment from us. If that was the same at every club what would stop a mass player strike? Obviously I'm talking extremes here.


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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11948 on: May 22, 2020, 11:51:03 PM »
+1

It's actually pretty moronic to suggest it's some kind of "genetics" factor that means BAME are more likely to contract the virus.

It's indicative of the shitty world we live in where BAME are picking up the jobs us white middle aged males don't do.

Troy Deeney (if he was training) would be in a more sterile and safe environment than I

Recent articles I've read have suggested that poverty, healthy etc accounted for that Bame people have a much higher risk of serious illness and death.
However as we know the media are agenda driven lying shithouses. So I'd like to see a comparison between rich young super healthy white people v rich young super healthy Bame people in terms of covid outcomes. I suspect theres little or no difference. We're all the same species.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11949 on: May 23, 2020, 12:08:44 AM »
maradona dealt with the same shit kenny did and was doing that whilst on crack!

All things considered, Diego is the top of the pile. Closely followed by Messi. There's about 100 players tied for 3rd, but those two stand out.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11950 on: May 23, 2020, 12:10:03 AM »
Recent articles I've read have suggested that poverty, healthy etc accounted for that Bame people have a much higher risk of serious illness and death.
However as we know the media are agenda driven lying shithouses. So I'd like to see a comparison between rich young super healthy white people v rich young super healthy Bame people in terms of covid outcomes. I suspect theres little or no difference. We're all the same species.
Background living conditions do influence those who are affected but there are also other factors that we don't understand yet(according to my daughter who works in this field). For example, it affects men greater than it does women and the old more than young people(probably immune system related). My sister-in-law works in a hospital in L.A and told me that young hispanic males are particularly susceptible - so it is not just about socio-economic factors.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11951 on: May 23, 2020, 12:48:49 AM »
Background living conditions do influence those who are affected but there are also other factors that we don't understand yet(according to my daughter who works in this field). For example, it affects men greater than it does women and the old more than young people(probably immune system related). My sister-in-law works in a hospital in L.A and told me that young hispanic males are particularly susceptible - so it is not just about socio-economic factors.

There still could be non-genetic factors at play. Men tend to be less cautious- machismo certainly will play its part. Levels of education, language... there are so many factors at play that must be ruled out before making generalisations based on genetics.

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« Reply #11952 on: May 23, 2020, 01:39:21 AM »
There still could be non-genetic factors at play. Men tend to be less cautious- machismo certainly will play its part. Levels of education, language... there are so many factors at play that must be ruled out before making generalisations based on genetics.

Agreed. It’s no surprise that people, and their ancestors, from different areas, with different diets, culture, food, healthcare, have different prevalences of diseases. The only genetic factor is inherited diseases etc, but that’s nothing to do with their race or colour. People look at the wrong factor in the correlation. It’s how eugenics started.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11953 on: May 23, 2020, 02:43:38 AM »
Kante has been told he can train at home even if he misses the rest of the season. The correct way to go about it. Went in on Tuesday, expressed concerns and the club have given him time off for now. I'm sure they will keep in close contact and make sure he is okay as this goes on.


Not specific to just this quote, but thinking like with Kante, how many other players might be in the "high risk" category? I vaguely recall that Dean Smith (i believe) mentioned that a villa player has asthma. Makes me wonder how many other players might have medical conditions.

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« Reply #11954 on: May 23, 2020, 11:39:42 AM »
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« Reply #11955 on: May 23, 2020, 11:48:35 AM »
I wont want to play again until I find out what Marlon Harwood and Carlton Cole think should happen.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11956 on: May 23, 2020, 11:49:20 AM »
Heard a report that  Emmerdale Farm have started filming again..greed before lives, the whole show should be declared null and void.

Could that be true of all soaps please?  ;D
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11957 on: May 23, 2020, 12:03:48 PM »
If more than 3-4 players refuse to play/ train then the club has failed in their duty to deal with players'concerns.

From the looks of things, our club have dealt with the issues properly which has led to everyone coming back. This will tell you who the successful clubs are and which ones are the failures like Watford.

I know I sound like a broken record, but they can always come and spend a day in truck or a day filling the shelves at Tesco or Aldi or wherever. Those huge Chelsea tractors they drive are perfect for doing Amazon deliveries and they've been taking staff on like mad and are still crazy busy, maybe go and do that. Own risk though as they won't get tested twice a week.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11958 on: May 23, 2020, 12:39:56 PM »
I like this idea - Virtual screens with fans via Zoom ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52782033

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #11959 on: May 23, 2020, 12:45:11 PM »
I like this idea - Virtual screens with fans via Zoom ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52782033

Easy get 150,000 in Anfield doing that ;D