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A contrarian perspective here: Anyone else thinking the timing of this announcement is evidence that clubs like Real Madrid have UEFA/FIFA wrapped around their fingers?



No.  No other team or entity made City engage in activity re falsified revenue streams and deceiving UEFA.  City done this alone.

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Most UK newspapers supported Nazi appeasement in the 1930s.
Their support of corrupt regimes is not without precedent.

And brexit (mirror excepted from those publications referred to).

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And brexit (mirror excepted from those publications referred to).
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As did the Guardian and the Independent which case to Brexit.
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City get banned for cheating and the top football related trend on twitter is #Heysel. ::)

Let me guess: "It's not like we killed anyone!"    >:(


Your bloody owners have, and plenty. :wanker
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Can that be done when you only have ten fans?

You don't need people when you have software programs that can do this for you.
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They will be stuck in reverse back to the time when Stuart Pearce was their manager.

The fact remains they are not yet a global club like us, United, Arsenal. They can’t buy their way out this time because FFP won’t allow them to do so again.

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horrific article by andy dunn in the mirror, obviously a abu dhabi fan.

I've just got back from a cafe and they had the Mirror there so I read their coverage. 

Was the article about the lawyers getting rich etc? I thought that was odd.  John Cross had a better article saying this was always going to happen.

I also had to laugh at the hype they were giving the Manc striker Ighalo, full big spread on him.  Madness.

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Seems Manchester City took Brexit too literally...  :moon

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Has anybody heard from Noel?  has he come out from under his rock yet?
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Arabs decided to cut their losses with City and launder their blood money elsewhere

Seeing this lot descend back down the table and into a relegation dog fight with a Steve Bruce type manager would be karma at its absolute best

I hate United more, but if I was given the choice of watching one of them get relegated, I think I'd take more joy in seeing it happen to these c*nts
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A contrarian perspective here: Anyone else thinking the timing of this announcement is evidence that clubs like Real Madrid have UEFA/FIFA wrapped around their fingers?
That’s not contrarian, that’s a conspiracy theory.
Just a quick point for those who think that FFP is 'Tory'. Whilst one of the side effects is that is makes it harder for smaller clubs to overspend in a bit to 'catch-up', it does not simply keep the status quo.

There are a whole bunch of exclusions where you can make losses - you can spend on things like infrastructure and deduct those losses from the figure that UEFA bases compliance on. Man City have spend tons on things like their (rented) stadium, training ground etc. I believe we avoided non-compliance because our losses were mostly infrastructure.

There is nothing to stop a rich owner buying a small club (Everton), buying a big fuck off stadium then using that new revenue to bankroll signings. Leicester's owners are wealthy and have done similar. Tottenham have muscled in by grow organically so it can be done.

Of course, doing it this way takes time to build, which is not what these crybabies want to do.
Good post.  I hate that ‘tory’ line of argument about non-Political things.  Like barriers to entry are a uniquely Tory thing anyway.  Any trades unionist should know the value of a closed shop.

The way I always saw ffp was it was about stopping other clubs Leeds’ing themselves by trying to keep up with the unkeepupwithable.  Sure it won’t do anything about Bayern or Man Utd being at the top of the financial tree, but you simply couldn’t ever get a consensus against the big boys spending their own money.
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Most UK newspapers supported Nazi appeasement in the 1930s.
Their support of corrupt regimes is not without precedent.

Daily Mail thought Hitler was the best thing since sliced bread.

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Just a quick point for those who think that FFP is 'Tory'. Whilst one of the side effects is that is makes it harder for smaller clubs to overspend in a bit to 'catch-up', it does not simply keep the status quo.

There are a whole bunch of exclusions where you can make losses - you can spend on things like infrastructure and deduct those losses from the figure that UEFA bases compliance on. Man City have spend tons on things like their (rented) stadium, training ground etc. I believe we avoided non-compliance because our losses were mostly infrastructure.

There is nothing to stop a rich owner buying a small club (Everton), buying a big fuck off stadium then using that new revenue to bankroll signings. Leicester's owners are wealthy and have done similar. Tottenham have muscled in by grow organically so it can be done.

Of course, doing it this way takes time to build, which is not what these crybabies want to do.

That is a very good point. Counters their argument of an investor not being allowed to invest into their club which isn’t true. It’s just that buying (mostly shite) players for outrageous sums for years on years that’s catching up with them and the fake income required to do so.

Say what you will about Red Bull where the asset is also mostly a PR exercise, but they are building from the ground up and have a stringent strategy and recruitment policy. Inevitably, at least RB Leipzig will be big enough to stop having to sell their players each season.

Nobody would begrudge City their successes if they at least tried to keep up the appearance of doing it the hard way. You know, instead of signing Robinho on the last day of the transfer window.
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Has anybody heard from Noel?  has he come out from under his rock yet?
There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how    :(
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They haven't conquered Europe
Theyre never gonna start
From Dhabi up to Didsbury
Watch them fall apart
Shaun Goater & Uwe Rosler
Georgei Kinkladze
They're a bunch of cheaters
that come from Abu Dhabi
Allez Allez Allez

P.s I really hate all these mock allez allez chants, but after watching their players celebrate with their anti scouse version I simply couldn't resist this.
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Has anybody heard from Noel?  has he come out from under his rock yet?

No doubt he'll have a pop at UEFA, the shameless Brexit-wanting little has-been

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City have commercial revenues of supposedly £225m- will these sham deals be revalued now to a market value under FFP?

I've not yet seen an answer anywhere on this

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Because FFP wasn’t a thing then so they were slightly limited in how they could be punished.
and that was about paying off a large debt from memory

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Can anyone confirm if the cheating they are currently being banned for is only up to 2016? Think I read that somewhere earlier.
If so, surely their cheating since then has gone into new realms of creative accounting.

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There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how    :(
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They're even covering up the true identity of their players now. This has gone too far.


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City have commercial revenues of supposedly £225m- will these sham deals be revalued now to a market value under FFP?

I've not yet seen an answer anywhere on this

If they aren't, then UEFA will ban them again once this ban is over. Unless they think of a more clever way to hide where the funds actually come from, that is.
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There's loads of City teenagers on twitter.  As soon as you say anything negative about their shitty club they descend on you like locusts. They managed to get 'Heysel' trending this morning but now its gone.

edit: #Heysel still there just not in the main column..
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any phone in's I can tune into with this lot cry arsing?
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Has anybody on Blue Moon noticed that Der Spiegel is a German publication

…and Liverpool have a GERMAN manager?

Abu Dhabi need to get their legal team onto that, pronto.

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Hmm it's not like City fans to stamp their feet
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Has anybody heard from Noel?  has he come out from under his rock yet?

He's still scratching around in the same old hole

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A contrarian perspective here: Anyone else thinking the timing of this announcement is evidence that clubs like Real Madrid have UEFA/FIFA wrapped around their fingers?

Don't get me wrong: I think it's hilarious what has happened to City; it couldn't have happened to a more deserving team (deserving of the 'Cheat' tag). But something about the timing of the release makes me think UEFA are doing Real Madrid a favour. Getting the best performance out of your players (which they would need to beat Madrid) becomes that much harder with a shitstorm scandal all over the press. The real cheats are behind the scenes, in the boardrooms, etc., but it's the players and Pep who have to be the face of the club most of the time.

City will definitely lose that tie now.
No.

There’s a great misunderstanding about the purpose of FFP.

It was to stop the outrageous wage inflation that was occurring 10 or so years ago.  It was to try to stop clubs haemorrhaging cash in losses and going bust.

And it’s worked (by and large). Clubs across Europe are now financially much more healthy because uefa have forced them to be.

This was never about Manchester City or PSG. It was about the health of football.

 
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City have commercial revenues of supposedly £225m- will these sham deals be revalued now to a market value under FFP?

I've not yet seen an answer anywhere on this

This is what I am wondering. Will these deals now be recalculated at market value ? They would have a massive problem if they are. No CL income and reduced sponsorship. They would be losing upwards of what, £100m per season ?

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City have commercial revenues of supposedly £225m- will these sham deals be revalued now to a market value under FFP?

I've not yet seen an answer anywhere on this
There are far more questions than answers. the fight for 4th just became the fight for 5th, as whoever comes 5th gets champs league football next season now. In the dictionary under "can of worms" it now says "See Man City"
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This guy on twitter is a QC/sports lawyer. He is saying the players and staff can argue that their terms have fundamentally altered and leave for free  :lmao

https://twitter.com/JohnMehrzadLaw/status/1228638217064341505

That would be too funny.


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I just love how they’ve had this VAR/tainted title agenda all season, and now the world has just discovered that their titles over the last decade have all been tainted.

So much for their decade of dominance, Guardiola will leave and they’ll be reluctant to spend much in the transfer market now.

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This guy on twitter is a QC/sports lawyer. He is saying the players and staff can argue that their terms have fundamentally altered and leave for free  :lma
https://twitter.com/JohnMehrzadLaw/status/1228638217064341505

That would be too funny.


Aidy Ward and Razza will be all over this like a rash
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City probably looking at hiring a few different types of influencers right now.
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No matter what happens, they are all forever complicit in the biggest cheating the game has seen.

Are you forgetting all the stuff a while back in the italian league, given the amount of clubs involved that was clearly bigger, so city aren't even the biggest when it comes to cheating either. :lmao

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This guy on twitter is a QC/sports lawyer. He is saying the players and staff can argue that their terms have fundamentally altered and leave for free  :lmao

https://twitter.com/JohnMehrzadLaw/status/1228638217064341505

That would be too funny.
There’s probably a no-CL clause already in their contracts, if their agents were on the ball.  Though it doesn’t seem to have been in Pogba’s.

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There's loads of City teenagers on twitter.  As soon as you say anything negative about their shitty club they descend on you like locusts. They managed to get 'Heysel' trending this morning but now its gone.

edit: #Heysel still there just not in the main column..

And they call us victims

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