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City fans have collectively lost the plot. Bluemoon is a hoot as half of them seem to think that there is a conspiracy of sorts that is driving the whole thing.
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i can't see the best player ever Phil Foden remaining there long after this.

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City fans have collectively lost the plot. Bluemoon is a hoot as half of them seem to think that there is a conspiracy of sorts that is driving the whole thing.

Interesting that they they think that everyone else is corrupt and no thought whatsoever that their club is actually the corrupt one. I find it fascinating how far they’re capable to think it’s others who are in the wrong. Like they’re angry that others won’t let them cheat. Hasn’t clubs been relegated for this earlier?

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The only way this gets better is if the ban is increased after appeal.

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City fans have collectively lost the plot. Bluemoon is a hoot as half of them seem to think that there is a conspiracy of sorts that is driving the whole thing.

It’s a conspiraceh!
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Getting titles more in retrospect would feel a bit meaningless. Bit like a gold medal at the Olympics, years later when it's striped from a doper. Worse though for teams that finished fifth and outside of the cl places. I guess city may well have ended up top for without the cheating but we will never know. 

Ps guessing United never finished fifth when city win. Otherwise if have to rethink
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Regarding City's claim that they have been investigated and judged by UEFA. The adjudicating body is chaired by a member of the European Court of Justice, has another member of the ECJ as a participant, the British member is a leading QC, there's a Swiss judge, and amongst others a former Polish minister for sport. None of whom have held any other post within UEFA.

I really think City have lost their minds releasing that statement alleging bias. I also can't think it was sanctioned by any lawyer who's planning to have anything to with the ECJ, British or Swiss courts any time soon. If City's representative had said something similar about a UK court surely they'd have been found guilty of contempt. Apart from anything else they've just insulted a panel consisting of respected colleagues and friends of the people who they will be appealling to at the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

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Uefa drop ‘atomic bomb’ on Manchester City to seismically alter landscape of European football

Uefa have dropped the “atomic bomb”, and potentially changed the landscape of the European game.

That was the description of “a ban from European competition” from the late Uefa investigator Jean-Luc Dehaene. That is the punishment that has now been handed out to City, for two seasons, along with a €30m fine.

It is a decision with immense consequences for the club and the European game, even if City do succeed with their appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and get the ban overturned.

To stand back for a second, it is a staggering reality the English champions have been banned from the game’s premier competition for effective cheating. That is a landmark moment

Uefa, at the very least, have shown they’ve got the heart for a big battle. This is a sanction that is a striking as it is stunning – and is to be commended in the wider context.

That is because it also comes at a key point in European football history, and in the middle of a wider battle between major forces in the game.

Uefa are currently involved in two huge decision-making process beyond this. One is what the calendar will look like after 2024, with potentially massive changes to the Champions League. The other is how prize money from Uefa competitions will be redistributed.

In both cases, the weight of the biggest clubs has been an overbearing force, with the threat of a break-away super league always hovering over everything. It has generally ensured that a bit more is ceded to those clubs with every decision, always sending more money and leverage in their direction.

It did seem like the entire game was increasingly loaded towards them.

It is also why this City case has been seen as a “line in the sand”.

There was a will to act because of the realisation within the governing body to “fight back or die”.

They’ve ended up showing real fight, and a first push back against the super clubs – although it’s not over yet.

It should be acknowledged that the City case itself does represent a schism within the super-clubs, since many – particularly those at Real Madrid, who they meet in the last-16 next week – would be only too happy to see the English champions punished. Along with Paris Saint-Germain, the way they have spent money put a lot of noses out of joint.


With City having confirmed they will take this to CAS, there is now the prospect of a highly expensive legal battle. That is where the club’s – or, really, Abu Dhabi’s – immense wealth will truly be displayed. Uefa, however, have decided to take that head on. They realise what is at stake.

It’s also worth realising the principle.

While there are fair arguments against FFP, and how it seems to solidify existing financial ceilings, they are separate arguments as to whether its rules should be enforced. To do anything else would be to make a mockery of them.

This is why Uefa acted.

This is what brings another fight, as City have made clear they will now challenge the situation. They see the whole process as a mockery.

The outcome of this will be even more impactful, and have potential repercussions for the very existence of FFP.

That is if City win their appeal. Some who have seen the judgement, however, think the strength of City’s response is misplaced.If the ban is upheld, it’s virtually impossible to see Pep Guardiola staying at the club. Winning the Champions League is his only remaining mission there. Many think he is already wearying of the intensity of the job, just as he did at Barcelona. Would he be willing to stay and rebuild without the prospect of that big prestigious trophy that means so much to him?

Would many of the better players in the world be willing to come without the Champions League? It remains the be-all and end-all for most. Lionel Messi certainly wouldn’t be interested in going. The Champions League is what he wants above anything.

City would similarly be substantially knocked back as a project, sampling a taste of the early days of the takeover again, and forced into trying to sign players from a lower rung. They would have to do it without the same level of investment, however, since that period – 2008-12 – was before FFP existed. Abu Dhabi just couldn’t pump the same money in.

There would be a pretty big shake-up of the big six, and the top end of the Premier League. It would be opened that bit more.

It would also put even more pressure on Guardiola to win the Champions League this season, given how crucial it could be to his legacy. The situation certainly fires the dynamic around that clash with Madrid.

That game is a classic clash of super-club, and old money against new money. Both, however, have been given a significant signal with this decision.

It marks the first fight back against the super-clubs. And they’ve done it with an atomic bomb.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-champions-league-banned-uefa-ffp-pep-guardiola-a9336976.html

Manchester City facing Premier League points penalty after being banned from Champions League


Manchester City are now facing a Premier League points deduction, as their punishment for “serious breaches” of Uefa Financial Fair Play also represents a breach of the domestic competition’s regulations.

The defending English champions were on Friday night given the unprecedented sanction of a two-year ban from the Champions League and €30m fine, after Uefa’s Adjudicatory Chamber found the club had overstated its sponsorship revenue in accounts submitted to the European governing body between 2012 and 2016.

High-level sources say that will force the Premier League to act due to their own licensing, which pertains to Uefa’s Financial Fair Play regulations.


The issue comes because any club has to supply true information to get a Premier League licence, and that information will have had to have matched that supplied to Uefa.

It is understood Premier League committees had already discussed potential punishments on the provision that Uefa punished City, and a points deduction is now seen as highly likely.

A City statement stressed that they will appeal Uefa’s decision at the Court of Arbitration for Sport “the earliest possible opportunity”.

While there remains the possibility a high-priced legal battle could yet see the Champions League ban overturned, sources do not feel that will be the case with any Premier League punishment due to the specific situation.

A points deduction would not affect any title race or see them relegated, while the Champions League race has been temporarily rendered moot.

While no one sees an expulsion from the Premier League as likely, the Football League have recently changed their rules so that any club in that situation must start again in League Two.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-banned-champions-league-premier-points-uefa-fair-play-a9336946.html
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How 'leaked' emails and invoices led to Manchester City's ban from Europe

Uefa investigation was greeted with scorn and denial by the club, but has culminated in a guilty verdict

Throughout the startling “leaks” of Manchester City’s internal emails in the German magazine Der Spiegel, and the resulting investigation by Uefa which led ultimately to Friday’s guilty finding and two-season Champions League ban and €30m (£25m) fine, City’s response has been uniform: scorn, outrage, denial.

The emails, splashed by Spiegel with evident relish across a series of exposés, punched into City’s expertly and expensively created modern image in three broad areas relating to Uefa’s financial fair play rules, which were introduced in 2011 to deter clubs from overspending.

First, and most damaging, were emails and accounting documents which appeared to show that City’s owner, Sheikh Mansour, of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, was mostly funding the huge, £67.5m annual sponsorship of the club’s shirt, stadium and academy by his country’s airline, Etihad. That created a perception that the Abu Dhabi hierarchy, in their drive to mega-spend on City attaining elite status while somehow complying with FFP rules, had deceived Uefa in their financial submissions. This serious trouble for City sprang from a tiny number of emails, a fraction of the documentary dump provided to Spiegel by its source, Rui Pinto, a Portuguese national now charged in his home country with 147 criminal offences including computer hacking, all of which he denies.

FFP rules limit the amount of money owners can put in to bankroll losses, encouraging top-division European clubs not to overspend on players’ wages and transfer fees and risk falling into financial crisis, and to spend within their revenues. Mansour started financing mega-losses on player signings and wages after his 2008 takeover and City had scrambled, particularly following the introduction of FFP in 2011, to turbo-boost their revenues with large sponsorships from Abu Dhabi companies.

One of the emails, from City’s then chief financial officer, Jorge Chumillas, headed “Cashflow”, stated that Mansour’s own company vehicle, the Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), would be paying £57m as a “contribution to 13/14 sponsorship fee”, while only £8m was Etihad’s “direct contribution”. Then Chumillas sent invoices for Etihad, internally to the City executives Ferran Soriano and Simon Pearce, stating that for 2015-16, the Etihad sponsorship was £67.5m, of which “£8m should be funded directly by Etihad and £59.5 [sic] by ADUG”.

Following the Spiegel coverage, Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB) investigatory chamber (IC) finally announced last March that it was launching an investigation, and City responded by saying they would comfortably prove that the accusations were “entirely false”. The IC, a panel of grandees chaired by Yves Leterme, a former Belgian prime minister, was clearly not convinced, however, after its inquiry which involved two days of hearings, and it charged the club in May. City responded with scorn, accusing the IC of ignoring “a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence”, said the decision was the result of “mistakes, misinterpretations and confusions fundamentally borne out of a basic lack of due process”, and in effect accused the IC of being biased, running “a wholly unsatisfactory, curtailed, and hostile process”.

City expressed huge outrage that the IC’s pending decision to charge was leaked two days early – which was indeed embarrassing to Uefa – although the truth is that throughout the process, very little detail has leaked. The fact that the IC did charge City, though, made it self-evident that the hierarchy’s explanations, and whatever documentation they did provide, did not satisfy the IC that questions raised by the club’s own internal communications had been irrefutably answered.

The IC can reasonably have expected City to produce, for example, the internal replies to Chumillas’s stunning emails, which perhaps would show he had been corrected, or that in context it could be shown that it was simply, “irrefutably”, not the case that ADUG was funding the Etihad sponsorship. Instead, the IC clearly decided that the allegations had not been refuted, and sent them for determination by Uefa’s CFCB adjudicatory chamber, which is chaired by José Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues, a former general prosecutor in Portugal and judge at the European Court of Justice, and includes a leading British barrister, Charles Flint QC.

These public responses after the charges were laid were consistent with the second element exposed by the emails: how hostile and confrontational City had been to Uefa, and to FFP itself, throughout the process of compliance – at times distastefully so. FFP applied to all top-flight clubs across Europe competing in the Champions and Europa Leagues, seeking to encourage long-term football development and dampen player wage inflation, with detailed new regulations and a sophisticated reporting system developed by Uefa with blue-chip accountants.

City’s chairman, Khaldoon al-Mubarak, was never a major supporter of FFP, seeing it as a restraint of Mansour’s freedom to rebuild City by pouring money in, but the emails showed the resistance went further. It seemed as if the hierarchy had almost taken it personally, feeling that this whole FFP system was a protectionist move to stop Mansour’s extravagance challenging the established superclubs. Perhaps there was something of that in the support for FFP given by Bayern Munich and the German clubs in particular, but they were trying to maintain financial sustainability in the Bundesliga where most clubs are still ultimately controlled by supporters. They and many other clubs in Europe felt it was alien to the game’s traditions for Gulf sovereign investors to buy clubs and spend their way to success.

City perceived their plans for rapid accession to the Champions League elite were challenged by FFP, and persistently threatened a legal challenge. The club’s inhouse lawyer Simon Cliff wrote in one of the published emails that Mubarak had told Gianni Infantino, then Uefa’s general secretary, that he would not accept a financial sanction for exceeding the permitted €45m loss in 2012 and 2013, and said: “He would rather spend 30 million on the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue [Uefa] for the next 10 years.”

In 2014, the IC determined that City had a deficit of €180m over that two-year period, vastly in excess of the €45m permitted, and in May that year agreed a settlement which some at Uefa believed was too lenient. A day before that, the former chair of the IC, Jean-Luc Dehaene, a distinguished former prime minister of Belgium and senior EU politician, died aged 73, survived by his wife of 49 years and their four children. Spiegel quoted Cliff’s reaction to this news in an internal email, referring to the membership of the IC: “1 down, 6 to go.”

Since its exposure, no one from City has apologised for that email, apparently due to the stance that the emails were hacked, so the contents, however unfortunate, are not to be acknowledged.

The third element revealed in the leaked material did not mostly form part of the IC’s investigation, having been dealt with as part of the 2014 settlement, but it revealed the extent to which City had engaged in some creative accounting to persuade Uefa it had complied with the new “break-even” rules. Most of these restructurings had been spotted and disallowed by the IC and the consultants, PwC, it sent to peer into the detail.

Following the publication of the leaks, City refused to respond at all to Spiegel, the rest of the media and to Uefa, until the IC, having initially responded uncertainly, decided it had to investigate. City denounced the use of the emails as “out-of-context materials purportedly hacked or stolen”, and alleged there was an “organised and clear attempt to damage the club’s reputation”.

Spiegel anonymised its source as “John” in the coverage, and quoted him denying that he acquired his vaults of 70m documents from football strongholds as a result of hacks, saying he had good contacts. Within weeks he was identified as Pinto, now on remand in a Lisbon prison awaiting trial, charged with alleged hacking and other offences, although only against Portuguese clubs and institutions, not City or Uefa. Pinto acknowledged to Spiegel in December that there was hacking software on his computer, and “some of my acts may be considered illegal”, but denied he had committed criminal offences, saying: “I don’t consider myself a hacker.”

But for people, or organisations such as City, who find they are victims of leaks, or hacks, there is a deeply uncomfortable contradiction to the consequences. However justified their outrage, if the documents reveal possible wrongdoing, then regulators or governing bodies are duty bound to investigate.

Now, after a review of the evidence and a hearing last month, the AC has decided like the IC, that City’s hierarchy have been damned by their own internal material. For all the fury and belligerence of their response, the club have not explained away the impression and apparent evidence that they deceived European football’s governing body with their financial submissions, even while they were spending huge money to star in its glittering competition.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/14/leaked-emails-and-invoices-led-to-manchester-city-ban-from-champions-league-europe-uefa
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When we win the league this year, I will be in Liverpool....I will also be marking it for a good friend we had on here in Carl, in some fashion.....he also embodied those values, and as a family I'll take a moment to think about him and others who have passed before having the opportunity  to share this.

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Man City UEFA ban ignites Guardiola dreams for Juventus

https://en.as.com/en/2020/02/14/football/1581713688_937779.html

And soi it begins...

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Disappointed but not surprised is their stance.

They reckon they can overturn it but they have to go to UEFA first right?
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Disappointed but not surprised is their stance.

They reckon they can overturn it but they have to go to UEFA first right?


UEFA, then CAS.

I've even seen shouts of them going to the courts in Switzerland if they don't like the CAS ruling
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Wow

Only saw news briefly last night...
Looks like I have a lot of reading to do!

Is this one of those things that will become a slap on the wrists after an "appeal"?
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UEFA, then CAS.

I've even seen shouts of them going to the courts in Switzerland if they don't like the CAS ruling

The reporting is weird then.

Guardian basically not correcting their statement saying they will go straight to CAS.

They will obviously appeal it to delay any ban.

Their statement:

Simply put, this is a case initiated by UEFA, prosecuted by UEFA and judged by UEFA. With this prejudicial process now over, the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity.
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Guys guys guys

They're gonna ask Pep about this in a couple of days.

The meltdown will be insane.

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Getting titles more in retrospect would feel a bit meaningless. Bit like a gold medal at the Olympics, years later when it's striped from a doper. Worse though for teams that finished fifth and outside of the cl places. I guess city may well have ended up top for without the cheating but we will never know. 

Ps guessing United never finished fifth when city win. Otherwise if have to rethink

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The reporting is weird then.

Guardian basically not correcting their statement saying they will go straight to CAS.

They will obviously appeal it to delay any ban.

Their statement:

Simply put, this is a case initiated by UEFA, prosecuted by UEFA and judged by UEFA. With this prejudicial process now over, the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity.


Probably because it's just a formality?

You'd assume UEFA won't overturn their own ruling on appeal.
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They paid opposition players to throw games in the French League[i think their then owner got jail time for it too], they held the CL trophy after appeal but that win will always be tainted, Juventus were stripped of a couple of Serie A titles & relegated to Serie B over match fixing, the Lega Serie A have left the 04/05 title blank.

2005-06 was stripped of Juve and given to Inter. 2004-05 was stripped off Juve, but 2nd placed Milan was also in the scandal, hence it was awarded to nobody.

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Guys guys guys

They're gonna ask Pep about this in a couple of days.

The meltdown will be insane.

Perhaps they can ask him whether he's paid for his trips to the Gulf separately from his salary from City.

Somehow City manage to maintain a wage bill comparable with other top six premier league clubs, despite the fact that they retain their players for longer and will have renewed contracts for established top players far more often, and have a far higher percentage of their squad who are established internationals who signed for large fees.
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-30 points for next season, please. Just like Luton. Then, as the UEFA ban well might be agreed to be for just one season, ie next season, they hopefully fail to make top four next season as well. Two season ban, then, in effect. 
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Guys guys guys

They're gonna ask Pep about this in a couple of days.

The meltdown will be insane.

Wouldn't surprise me if they sent someone else to do the presser
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Remeber how City fans tried to call our title this season tainted because of VAR?  ;D

Now every single trophy they won in the last 10 years is tainted and every trophy they'll win in the future would be meaningless.

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They're gonna ask Pep about this in a couple of days.

The meltdown will be insane.
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Perhaps they can ask him whether he's paid for his trips to the Gulf separately from his salary from City.

Somehow City manage to maintain a wage bill comparable with other top six premier league clubs, despite the fact that they retain their players for longer and will have renewed contracts for established top players far more often, and have a far higher percentage of their squad who are established internationals who signed for large fees.

Check this out.  Pep wasn't happy being asked about how he is paid last year:


https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/pep-guardiola-reacted-badly-to-a-question-regarding-possible-off-book-payments-at-man-city/

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One of the accusations leveled at City is that they paid former manager Roberto Mancini in a questionable fashion.

It’s claimed that Mancini received payments in Abu Dhabi for his work at Man City.

After the Watford game, journalist Rob Harris wanted to find out if Guardiola has ever received off-book payments from Man City.

Guardiola was incensed by the question concerning possible financial irregularities.

Rather than denying the question outright, the Man City boss reacted rather defensively.

Guardiola complained about being asked such a question at the end of such a historic season at Man City.

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Hope this whole 'rivalry' thing comes to an end with a bang now. There are honest ways to make it to the top of football and they decided to be cuddly with a truly vile man. Whatever trophies he bought his club are tainted if not downright irrelevant.

Be fantastic if their scummy owners just packed it in and returned City to the respectable football club they once where. In the long run, they'll be better for it.
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Fair play to the German papers that exposed this, great piece of journalism, some shocking revelations, I can’t believe what I’m reading. I had no idea that Man City were financially doped and had sponsorship deals way beyond their true value and are a club financed by the Abu Dhabi royal family, I even read that city are breaking financial fair play regulation. Almost too much to take in, how did they find all this out .........

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Most on here don’t realise how he has supported the Justice campaign for us and Orgreave. A bloody good man.

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Pep, how are you not the highest paid manager in the world? The greatest manager ever.

Pep, do you know that one of your predecessors was paid "off the books" to help circumvent FFP rules? Oh you do.



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/08/manchester-city-roberto-mancini-abu-dhabi-money-second-contract-sheikh-mansour

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Mancini was offered separate arrangements by the City hierarchy which would help the club get around Uefa’s financial fair play (FFP) regulations. Mancini agreed a £1.45m annual salary with City when he joined in 2009, plus bonuses and incentives, but also allegedly a £1.75m salary with Al Jazira.



https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-4-a-global-empire-a-1236622.html

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That year, the Italian trainer Roberto Mancini signed two contracts on the same day: one as the new trainer for the Premier League team Manchester City, and the other as an adviser to the Al Jazira Sports and Cultural Club in the Arabian Gulf League. Sheikh Mansour is behind both clubs. And the numbers in the two contracts were astounding: Al Jazira had committed to pay Mancini, who is today the Italian national team trainer, a higher base salary than Manchester City: The Premier League team would be paying him 1.45 million pounds, before bonuses and incentives, while he would receive a base salary of 1.75 million from the Abu Dhabi club. Annually.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2019/may/18/pep-guardiola-furious-over-financial-fair-play-question-after-man-citys-treble-triumph-video

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Pep Guardiola was infuriated in the immediate aftermath of Manchester City’s historic domestic treble when asked by a journalist if he was being accused of 'receiving money' through separate payments from the club’s Abu Dhabi owners.


Imagine how fucked man city would be if they ever truly investigated the wages of everyone associated with the football side of man city.

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Isn't there some noise that they are going to the civil courts (not just to CAS to appeal this verdict) in order to question the whole existence and structure of FFP? Though how they can do that after signing up to it, and elaborately pretending to conform to it, is another exercise in entitled double-think.

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Remeber how City fans tried to call our title this season tainted because of VAR?  ;D

Now every single trophy they won in the last 10 years is tainted and every trophy they'll win in the future would be meaningless.


Everybody knew it anyway. It's just been made official.

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Isn't there some noise that they are going to the civil courts (not just to CAS to appeal this verdict) in order to question the whole existence and structure of FFP? Though how they can do that after signing up to it, and elaborately pretending to conform to it, is another exercise in entitled double-think.

How can a civil court force a private competition to change its rules though? That'd set a bad precedent.

What's to stop, say, Chelsea from suing them to enter after finishing 5th, saying inviting only the Top 4 discriminates against 5th-placed teams?
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i can't see the best player ever Phil Foden remaining there long after this.

I don’t agree. Their best player ever Phil Foden might actually get a game, eventually.  ;D
THE TRUTH?

Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry into the disaster disparaged The Sun's story and was unequivocal as to the disaster's cause:

The Taylor Report stated that official cause of the disaster was the failure of police control.

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Fair play to the German papers that exposed this, great piece of journalism, some shocking revelations, I can’t believe what I’m reading. I had no idea that Man City were financially doped and had sponsorship deals way beyond their true value and are a club financed by the Abu Dhabi royal family, I even read that city are breaking financial fair play regulation. Almost too much to take in, how did they find all this out .........
It really is a mind blowing revelation :)

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I must say, I am absolutely basking in all of this :lmao

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Cheats (and they fucking are) should be stripped of any honours won whilst cheating.
Sounds over the top punishment when they just received a 2 year CL ban..nah not for me.
If the powers that be want to avoid others thinking of doing what City have done then there has to be no success from it.
I'm not arsed if there is no winner if City were to be stripped of honours..it's just wrong that winning whilst cheating and keeping the honours collected on the way stays.
Fuck you City..all your recent honours are tainted.
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