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Fauci: 'US could easily see 100,000 daily cases'
Dr Anthony Fauci tells the US Senate hearing in Washington that "clearly we are not in total control right now" of the US pandemic.

"Weíre going to continue to be in a lot of trouble" if people don't start social distancing and wearing masks, he warns.

Daily cases are currently at around 40,000 per day.

The daily infection rate "could easily go up to 100,000 a day," he continues, saying he "would not be surprised" to see such a high rate of infection.

"It is going to be very disturbing, I will guarantee you that."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53230389 17:16 update
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The government continues with its wonderful track record of providing bullshit numbers throughout the crisis.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1277960112691273728

In summary all the published local council level testing numbers in England are rubbish as they only include Tier 1 testing (hospital admissions/NHS staff, etc) but exclude tier 2 testing (general public testing through drive through centres etc).

If you look at tier 1 testing Leicester look fine, but not when you include tier 2 tests which are forming a growing percentage of positive tests.

This is so important. Supposedly it's a 'ministerial decision' not to include pillar 2 tests. But why? A test is a test. It's not only disingenuous to pretend there are only X amount of cases, but it's also outright lying when the actual real number of cases could be 80%+ higher. They are only releasing the number of cases from hospital tests, not from the general public. The figures are being collected, but the public/MPs/officials are being denied the chance to see it.

For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.

There's no doubt things are levelling off, but it's slower than what we're being told.

https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a
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Jen Williams has been at that story for a while now for the MEN. Suspicion at local health level, as even now data isn't meant to be made public, is that what's being received from private contractors etc. isn't reliable enough.
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This is so important. Supposedly it's a 'ministerial decision' not to include pillar 2 tests. But why? A test is a test. It's not only disingenuous to pretend there are only X amount of cases, but it's also outright lying when the actual real number of cases could be 80%+ higher. They are only releasing the number of cases from hospital tests, not from the general public. The figures are being collected, but the public/MPs/officials are being denied the chance to see it.

For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.

There's no doubt things are levelling off, but it's slower than what we're being told.

https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

The bit I wasn't totally clear on was - is this issue just in the numbers reported at local level, and national case numbers include both sets of data?

I wasn't 100% clear on that but had the impression that was the case.

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The bit I wasn't totally clear on was - is this issue just in the numbers reported at local level, and national case numbers include both sets of data?

I wasn't 100% clear on that but had the impression that was the case.

I posted a link earlier which shows the daily and cumulative confirmed cases. The explanation shows that it includes both pillar 1 and pillar 2 results.

Whether or not this is broken down by local authority area I don't know.

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For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.



Other option would be to 'slow down testing' in the words of Trump.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.
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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

Iíll likely wait a few days for the inevitable rush to die down, then I will be happy to use restaurants and bars whilst social distancing.

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Sturgeon today refused to rule out the possibility of screening people crossing the border from England.

The usual crowd are slightly peeved about it.  ;D

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Iíll likely wait a few days for the inevitable rush to die down, then I will be happy to use restaurants and bars whilst social distancing.

Canít hide away in the basement forever.

I think I'd consider a restaurant if it's not absolutely ridiculously different. When you pay a lot of money for a meal out you want a relaxing atmosphere.

Pubs my issue is primarily with using the toilet (I have a shit bladder) and drunken dickheads crowding your space.
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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.
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Main issue will be using the toilet, i can drink 4 pints or so before i start needing to go & empty my bladder, then i end up going regully, i can see a lot of people emptying there bladder outside the boozers come this weekend especially after 5 or 6 pints.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.
I meeting my Dad for a couple of pints at 12pm, no more than three. I know the landlord and have booked a table for an hour and a half, the pub doesnít really get busy until late afternoon, full table service and reduced capacity.

Canít see me and missus going for a night out anytime soon.

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I think I'd consider a restaurant if it's not absolutely ridiculously different. When you pay a lot of money for a meal out you want a relaxing atmosphere.

Pubs my issue is primarily with using the toilet (I have a shit bladder) and drunken dickheads crowding your space.

Haha. You can just imagine the state the bogs'll be in anyway so good luck with hand hygiene.

I'm lucky that I tend to do most of my socialising afternoon/ early evening so I'll give it a few weeks to settle down before visiting pubs or restaurants. I'm more worried about getting the bus or train into town as there's normally a fair few mingers amongst the passengers who think nothing of sharing their coughs and sneezes.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

Might go to the barbers and see what the queues like to get a hair cut (they arenít offering appointments), will leave the pub for at least a week so the initial rush dies down a bit. Can imagine itís going to be rammed on Saturday night.

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Might go to the barbers and see what the queues like to get a hair cut (they arenít offering appointments), will leave the pub for at least a week so the initial rush dies down a bit. Can imagine itís going to be rammed on Saturday night.

Our barbers don't open till later but I'm pretty sure in Scotland they are only allowed prebooked appointments, no walk-ins.

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Just seen this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

The Trump administration showing its true moral colours yet again. Fucking Yanks think they can buy the world.

Is it even that effective? It didn't work for Ebola, but does anyone know about its efficacy for Covid-19?
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Just seen this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

The Trump administration showing its true moral colours yet again. Fucking Yanks think they can buy the world.

Is it even that effective? It didn't work for Ebola, but does anyone know about its efficacy for Covid-19?

Seem to remember it can speed up recovery in some patients but can't remember the figures.

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Just seen this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

The Trump administration showing its true moral colours yet again. Fucking Yanks think they can buy the world.

Is it even that effective? It didn't work for Ebola, but does anyone know about its efficacy for Covid-19?


Is it the one that may work early on together with Zn?

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Seem to remember it can speed up recovery in some patients but can't remember the figures.

Ah, right. I seem to recall that it's only effective for people on ventilation/supplementary oxygen. Looks like it'll be 3 months before anyone else can find out. Making America Great Unpopular Again.
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Our barbers don't open till later but I'm pretty sure in Scotland they are only allowed prebooked appointments, no walk-ins.

I thought it was the same here to be honest with appointments but their Facebook page says they ainít using appointments but will open longer hours to spread people out.

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Just seen this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

The Trump administration showing its true moral colours yet again. Fucking Yanks think they can buy the world.

Is it even that effective? It didn't work for Ebola, but does anyone know about its efficacy for Covid-19?


The benefits seemed marginal based on my amateur understanding of the improvement it made.

But, I would point out that most countries will do the same in terms of trying to help their own people first if they find a treatment or vaccine, the French tried doing the same with a vaccine Sanofi is working on when the company said it would give the US the first load of the vaccine they were working on because the US had funded the research, and even with the Oxford vaccine the UK is getting 30 million of the first 100 million doses - yes that still leaves 70 million for somewhere else but 70 million isnít a lot in a world with 7 billion people.

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Just a question on the vaccines, if one is available by the end of this year would you guys chose to have it? Donít get me wrong Iím no anti-vaxer, I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old and they are fully vaccinated so I am completely comfortable with vaccines but am I the only one in two minds due to speed they will have been developed for Covid-19 and that they could be longer term affects of a vaccine that donít become apparent until later on?

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Just a question on the vaccines, if one is available by the end of this year would you guys chose to have it? Donít get me wrong Iím no anti-vaxer, I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old and they are fully vaccinated so I am completely comfortable with vaccines but am I the only one in two minds due to speed they will have been developed for Covid-19 and that they could be longer term affects of a vaccine that donít become apparent until later on?

I wouldn't. Whenever I go abroad I'm the first to get a vaccine, but this one is being rushed. I'd wait for a year or so before I'd have it. Last time around we had the narcolepsi thing as a side effect, plus I am in a low risk group.

When it would get tricky for me is if they decided I can't travel abroad until vaccinated. Or if my job said I had to travel and unless vaccinated I'd get fired. I'd have no problem to ditch the travelling for a year or two. For work it would get more difficult and I can only hope it won't be mandatory, be it for work or for travel/passports. But in today's crazy world, who knows?

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Cases in Arizona Florida and Texas down again...

Iím very suspicious about that.... this just isnít right...  is there less testing? A reporting backlog? Corruption?

Itís weird.
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The benefits seemed marginal based on my amateur understanding of the improvement it made.

But, I would point out that most countries will do the same in terms of trying to help their own people first if they find a treatment or vaccine, the French tried doing the same with a vaccine Sanofi is working on when the company said it would give the US the first load of the vaccine they were working on because the US had funded the research, and even with the Oxford vaccine the UK is getting 30 million of the first 100 million doses - yes that still leaves 70 million for somewhere else but 70 million isnít a lot in a world with 7 billion people.

Yeah it wasn't exactly a game changer, and then Gilead increased the price of a course of treatment from $20 to over $2k, and now over $3k today, I doubt the NHS would have been clammering for it with that kind of cost/benefit ratio.

Just a question on the vaccines, if one is available by the end of this year would you guys chose to have it? Donít get me wrong Iím no anti-vaxer, I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old and they are fully vaccinated so I am completely comfortable with vaccines but am I the only one in two minds due to speed they will have been developed for Covid-19 and that they could be longer term affects of a vaccine that donít become apparent until later on?

I would, if the data from the Phase 3 trial looks ok, I volunteered for the Oxford vaccine candidate but never heard back from them, probably after more front line healthcare staff who will have more exposure for testing efficacy.

Any common side effects are going to get picked up in trials anyway, the uncommon ones are less risk than getting the virus and risking low chance of death or a higher chance of being debilitated for longer.
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Cases in Arizona Florida and Texas down again...

I’m very suspicious about that.... this just isn’t right...  is there less testing? A reporting backlog? Corruption?

It’s weird.
I have never paid much attention to the testing numbers to gain an idea of the scale of the problem. The death rate seems far more reliable. Though, of course, it reflects infection rates from about a month before - a bit of a drawback, to say the least. ::)

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I have never paid much attention to the testing numbers to gain an idea of the scale of the problem. The death rate seems far more reliable. Though, of course, it reflects infection rates from about a month before - a bit of a drawback, to say the least. ::)

It seems to be skewing towards younger people so far in this phase in the US, so hopefully mortality rates will be a lot lower than elsewhere unless they exceed hospital capacity

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I have never paid much attention to the testing numbers to gain an idea of the scale of the problem. The death rate seems far more reliable. Though, of course, it reflects infection rates from about a month before - a bit of a drawback, to say the least. ::)
If you rely on death numbers then youíre a month too late.  Thatís the problem.
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If you rely on death numbers then youíre a month too late.  Thatís the problem.

Even hospitalisation is around a 2 - 2 1/2 week lagging indicator of people who got infected

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Interesting...

The bbc says there are over 40000 cases again today. Worldometers says 34000

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53237824

Fauci also says he wouldnít be surprised if they reach 100000 cases a day..

Fucking hell.
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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

I'll be going for a pint on Saturday night. Since lockdown started I've got in the habit of going for a walk late in the evening so I'll walk to a nice country pub on Saturday at about 10pm. Will only stay for one so I don't need to use the toilet and am undecided yet if I'll bring my own pint glass with me and pour the pint in there when its served.

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Interesting...

The bbc says there are over 40000 cases again today. Worldometers says 34000

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53237824

Fauci also says he wouldnít be surprised if they reach 100000 cases a day..

Fucking hell.


Its nuts the numbers coming out of America. So much for being the greatest country in the world and all that.

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Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

I have already been going to clothes shops, visiting my parents and having some takeaways from restaurants. However I certainly dont feel the need to visit the joylessness that will be pubs and restaurants.

The next big thing really is when gyms are allowed to be open.

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Interesting...

The bbc says there are over 40000 cases again today. Worldometers says 34000

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53237824

Fauci also says he wouldnít be surprised if they reach 100000 cases a day..

Fucking hell.


I'm sure I read somewhere that Worldometers is not massively reliable. Better with Our World in Data. They reckon 41,556.

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I'm sure I read somewhere that Worldometers is not massively reliable. Better with Our World in Data. They reckon 41,556.
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Just a question on the vaccines, if one is available by the end of this year would you guys chose to have it? Donít get me wrong Iím no anti-vaxer, I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old and they are fully vaccinated so I am completely comfortable with vaccines but am I the only one in two minds due to speed they will have been developed for Covid-19 and that they could be longer term affects of a vaccine that donít become apparent until later on?

Absolutely, I'll get it as soon as I can.

There is some misunderstanding of the timings of these vaccines and that this one has been 'sped up', implying they are cutting corners on safety. Much of the reason behind why this will be produced quicker than previous vaccines is because there will be no pause between each development step and development will move straight to manufacture (in fact for the Oxford one, they have already begun the manufacture steps). That reduces the time taken by a huge amount - setting up the facilities to manufacture the vaccine can take a long time and usually there would be a long pause between getting your positive trial results and beginning manufacture and then scaling it up. Those are the parts that will be sped up, the usual tests for efficacy and safety will all still be done - just like any other vaccine - they won't be cutting corners on safety.

Having said all that, I wouldn't be lining up to take the vaccine they plan to roll out on the Chinese military. The above only applies to those that are publishing the data from each part of each trial along the development path.

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Its nuts the numbers coming out of America. So much for being the greatest country in the world and all that.
Its all down to the wall. If it wasn't for the wall the figures would have been bad.
Scepticism is the chastity of the intellect.