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Bilaterally, Vietnam has donated test kits and masks to many countries. Among them, Cambodia and Laos are its close friends, and the United States, United Kingdom, and Spain are its comprehensive and strategic partners. In supporting others, Vietnam has demonstrated its commitment to traditional relations and strengthened relationships with important partners.

Can they donate us a PM and ministers as well?
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Sick of seeing that tory bell whiff Sikora everywhere.

 ::)  so he is a tory cause he isn't fearmongering like rest of them?

this was him back in march. was right all along

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1244312179333042181

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::)  so he is a tory cause he isn't fearmongering like rest of them?

this was him back in march. was right all along

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1244312179333042181
The more left you lean politically, the more you ought to love a strict lockdown. .
It's also left to be sceptical about immunity but optimistic about vaccines
I dunno how that happened but I think it was Trump

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::)  so he is a tory cause he isn't fearmongering like rest of them?

this was him back in march. was right all along

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1244312179333042181

He is an old drone. Not sure why he has developed such a following when he offers very little actual insight into anything, except to constantly 'hope for the best'.

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He is an old drone. Not sure why he has developed such a following when he offers very little actual insight into anything, except to constantly 'hope for the best'.
hes far more qualified than most on this issue, that may be why, and he’s been more right than many on this

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hes far more qualified than most on this issue, that may be why, and he’s been more right than many on this

He's an oncologist, with no specific expertise in epidemiology. Still a doctor, but not someone I'd look at as my first source of info.

What has he been right about that's been such a revelation? Anyone could have guessed that we'd ease some restrictions in May. It seems blind optimism is what people want to hear.

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Can they donate us a PM and ministers as well?
 

Their Prime Minister is called Phuc. Ours is already adequately filling that role for the rest of us.
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@EricTopol
Just published @TheLancet
The largest study of hydroxychloroquine shows a significant increase in death (~35%) and >2-fold increase of serious heart arrhythmias. ~96,000 patients, ~15,000 on HCQ or CQ  from 671 hospitals, 6 continents.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1263811764287725574



And the UK is just starting a new trial. Ethical?

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::)  so he is a tory cause he isn't fearmongering like rest of them?

this was him back in march. was right all along

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1244312179333042181

How was he right when he was talking about 50% of people being infected in March. A couple of months later and actually studies are showing 17%+ in London and 5%+ for the rest of the Country.

If we had based decisions on 50% of people possibly being infected in March then there would have been an absolute bloodbath.
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/may/22/karol-sikora-honorary-professor-imperial-college

Some info on Sikora's history of lying about being a professor at Imperial.

In reality, he was a professor at the UK's only private university and a huge private healthcare lobbyist. Those calling him a massive Tory aren't wrong.
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Opening schools still a huge mess.

Primaries meant to open a week on Monday yet

A) some councils have said they wont open.
B) even in schools that do lots of parents wont send their child in.
C) scientific advice today is they should only open if testing and tracing is in place. No way that will be in place un 9 days time where everyone fully understands it anyway.
D) lots of schools have no clear idea how a return will even look or work.
E) many schools will have a lot of teacher shortages with some expected to come in for the possible year groups in but teach the rest remotely.
F) if you aren't  a key worker then you might have one child who can go in but others that can't (year 7-9 for example) but your boss might want you back in.

Absolute mess.
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@EricTopol
Just published @TheLancet
The largest study of hydroxychloroquine shows a significant increase in death (~35%) and >2-fold increase of serious heart arrhythmias. ~96,000 patients, ~15,000 on HCQ or CQ  from 671 hospitals, 6 continents.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1263811764287725574




Remember when there were some initial very promising studies? Trump was far from alone in wanting to give it to everyone. This is why we have thorough clinical trials, to avoid giving patients drugs that make them worse. If we had taken shortcuts and listened to the blind optimists, thousands more would have died.

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Can they donate us a PM and ministers as well?
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On the return of schools... the giver net finally released the scientific advice today (I mean, who needed time eh?)

My union advises that even though the government is asking for schools to be opened, school leaders could still be held legally responsible in the even t of deaths or serious illness....

This is why lots of schools will only be opening on a skeleton timetable at the very best....
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I’ve got a friend who is a primary school teacher and they said out of a class of 30, when she rang round the parents, only 2 of them said they’d be sending their kids in.

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I’ve got a friend who is a primary school teacher and they said out of a class of 30, when she rang round the parents, only 2 of them said they’d be sending their kids in.
We’re about 60% saying they would in years 10 and 12...


 Yet we’ve got staff without nursery care.  Those who live within vulnerable people, those who are vulnerable themselves, those who are just plain scared.....
A good 25% of staff down before we start.

It won’t be anything like a full timetable.
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I note the ‘r’ number has increased this week according to news reports.  Given the time lag that will not have been impacted by things like V.E. Day and any subsequent ‘gatherings’.  Any impacts will inform the ‘r’ number in due course. 

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Remember when there were some initial very promising studies? Trump was far from alone in wanting to give it to everyone. This is why we have thorough clinical trials, to avoid giving patients drugs that make them worse. If we had taken shortcuts and listened to the blind optimists, thousands more would have died.

Read that it's also about timing and Zinc for that drug to work.

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Coronavirus: Acting earlier would have saved lives, says Sage member

One of the government's scientific advisers has said he would have liked ministers to have acted "a week or two weeks earlier" in the virus pandemic.

Sir Ian Boyd, who sits on the Sage scientific advisory group, said "it would have made quite a big difference" to the death rate.

Ministers have always insisted they have been guided by the scientific advice during the pandemic.

Government figures show 36,042 people with the virus have died in the UK.

Sir Ian is a professor of biology at St Andrews University and is a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), which advises ministers on Covid-19.

He started attending Sage meetings a month ago.

He told The Coronavirus Newscast: "Acting very early was really important and I would have loved to have seen us acting a week or two weeks earlier and it would have made quite a big difference to the steepness of the curve of infection and therefore the death rate.

"And I think that's really the number one issue - could we have acted earlier? Were the signs there earlier on?"

Sir Ian suggested that the government based its initial assessment on the transmissibility of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) virus, which is less infectious than this coronavirus.

Sars was a previously unknown disease that started to spread around the world in 2003. It went on to infect more than 8,000 people and kill almost 800.

He described the UK and other European countries as "a bit slower off the mark" and less prepared than countries that had experienced Sars in the early 2000s.

He said that ministers would have received "very blunt and very clear" advice from the government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance. and chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty.

"One could point the finger at ministers and politicians for not being willing to listen to scientific advice.

"You could point the finger at scientists for not actually being explicit enough.

"But at the end of the day all these interact with public opinion as well. And I think some politicians would have loved to have reacted earlier but in their political opinion it probably wasn't feasible because people wouldn't have perhaps responded in the way they eventually did."

Sir Ian also called on ministers to stop saying they are "led" by the science.

"I think the statement 'we are guided by the science' is slightly misleading. I don't think ministers intend it to be misleading. I think they intend it to help to provide trust in what they are saying. And quite rightly so.

"Basically what we in the scientific community do is give the best advice we can based on the evidence that's available to us. We then pass it to government ministers and the policy parts of government who can then take that and do with it what they like within the policy context."

Sir Ian - who was the chief scientific adviser at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs from 2012-19 - said Sage meetings are currently taking place over Zoom.

He defended the participation of political aides, such as the prime minister's adviser Dominic Cummings, saying: "It brings them back to reality."[/quote]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52764645

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It's so refreshing to have a Home Secretary that's non-PC enough to take control of our Great British borders (months too late) and protect the indigenous population.

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Coronavirus: Acting earlier would have saved lives, says Sage member

One of the government's scientific advisers has said he would have liked ministers to have acted "a week or two weeks earlier" in the virus pandemic.

Sir Ian Boyd, who sits on the Sage scientific advisory group, said "it would have made quite a big difference" to the death rate.

Ministers have always insisted they have been guided by the scientific advice during the pandemic.

Government figures show 36,042 people with the virus have died in the UK.

Sir Ian is a professor of biology at St Andrews University and is a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), which advises ministers on Covid-19.

He started attending Sage meetings a month ago.

He told The Coronavirus Newscast: "Acting very early was really important and I would have loved to have seen us acting a week or two weeks earlier and it would have made quite a big difference to the steepness of the curve of infection and therefore the death rate.

"And I think that's really the number one issue - could we have acted earlier? Were the signs there earlier on?"

Sir Ian suggested that the government based its initial assessment on the transmissibility of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) virus, which is less infectious than this coronavirus.

Sars was a previously unknown disease that started to spread around the world in 2003. It went on to infect more than 8,000 people and kill almost 800.

He described the UK and other European countries as "a bit slower off the mark" and less prepared than countries that had experienced Sars in the early 2000s.

He said that ministers would have received "very blunt and very clear" advice from the government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance. and chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty.

"One could point the finger at ministers and politicians for not being willing to listen to scientific advice.

"You could point the finger at scientists for not actually being explicit enough.

"But at the end of the day all these interact with public opinion as well. And I think some politicians would have loved to have reacted earlier but in their political opinion it probably wasn't feasible because people wouldn't have perhaps responded in the way they eventually did."

Sir Ian also called on ministers to stop saying they are "led" by the science.

"I think the statement 'we are guided by the science' is slightly misleading. I don't think ministers intend it to be misleading. I think they intend it to help to provide trust in what they are saying. And quite rightly so.

"Basically what we in the scientific community do is give the best advice we can based on the evidence that's available to us. We then pass it to government ministers and the policy parts of government who can then take that and do with it what they like within the policy context."

Sir Ian - who was the chief scientific adviser at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs from 2012-19 - said Sage meetings are currently taking place over Zoom.

He defended the participation of political aides, such as the prime minister's adviser Dominic Cummings, saying: "It brings them back to reality."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52764645

Confirms the incompetence.  Evidence of a ‘new’ virus was there early on and we had Far East countries then Italy as references to inform strategy.

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It's a bit late now for the government to make anyone coming into the country have to go into quarantine for 14 days. It should have happened on the 30th of February.

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We’re going to have to clap for the Border Force as well now!

But not before registering on the ‘pick for Britain’ site.

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We’re going to have to clap for the Border Force as well now!

Thankfully, the Thursday 8pm slot has just become free.

Coronavirus: Clap for Carers should end, says founder

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52773032

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But not before registering on the ‘pick for Britain’ site.

Don't forget to Stay Alert throughout.

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The whole meeting family members is the thing that really gets me in England.

So for instance if I want to meet my mother we have to try and find a park bench somewhere to meet and chat and of course sit on either end of the bench. This is assuming that England has enough park benches. The benches of course will have been sat on by god knows who before and possibly people that may have had covid and sneezed on the bench, wiped their nose and touched the bench, had a sandwhich, touched their gob and then touched the bench. Meanwhile while we are sat on that bench there will be people that may have covid walking past, jogging past, cycling past, running past sweating and panting like fuck.

Oh, but my mother can't come and sit in our garden on a nice comfy chair while we sit 2m away nice and safe and private.

They can fuck off.

She can come round. The police would only find out if someone grassed.
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I think the biggest lesson that needs to repeated again and again is that by the time the second wave shows up this year there needs to be testing, tracing and isolation systems in place. Test, locate the infected and isolate them and anyone they've come in contact with. This is part of the reason why New Zealand, S. Korea, Vietnam etc have been successful

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I think the biggest lesson that needs to repeated again and again is that by the time the second wave shows up this year there needs to be testing, tracing and isolation systems in place. Test, locate the infected and isolate them and anyone they've come in contact with. This is part of the reason why New Zealand, S. Korea, Vietnam etc have been successful

If the second wave hits around November then the Govt. may just about have it in place by then. Maybe.

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It's a bit late now for the government to make anyone coming into the country have to go into quarantine for 14 days. It should have happened on the 30th of February.

Have to laugh as well that it's not going to come into effect until June..... absolute shambles.

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If the second wave hits around November then the Govt. may just about have it in place by then. Maybe.
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Can’t the PM be arsed with these briefings anymore?

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Johnson effectively announced the quarantine policy nearly 2 weeks ago on the 10th of May, yet it won't come into force for another 2 weeks. Say what you want about this government but you can't accuse them of a lack of urgency...
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It's a bit late now for the government to make anyone coming into the country have to go into quarantine for 14 days. It should have happened on the 30th of February.

And ridiculous also that it doesn’t start until 8th June? 

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Can’t the PM be arsed with these briefings anymore?

He's a joke, the leader of our country can't be arsed.   He should be leading by example and be at the forefront of these briefings during these unprecedented times.

Nice to see that they're remembering Lee Rigby and the Manchester Bombing victims.
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On the return of schools... the giver net finally released the scientific advice today (I mean, who needed time eh?)

My union advises that even though the government is asking for schools to be opened, school leaders could still be held legally responsible in the even t of deaths or serious illness....

This is why lots of schools will only be opening on a skeleton timetable at the very best....

How would they prove it was a result of opening up the school and not from a daily exercise or shopping?

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Can’t the PM be arsed with these briefings anymore?

Only works 1 day per week.  Doubt he’ll be seen until PMQs again.  That’s if he’s up for another roasting.

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How much do you hate priti patel?
Trying to quantify it - as much as I hate Jacob Rees-Mogg.