Topic: Harry Maguire considering his options thread

[The North Bank]

I've only seen highlights so on watching the actual game, what do you feel cost you guys yesterday? Having watched games from you both this season you look far the better side and I know anything can happen but I was shocked to see the result

Ref made a big call against us, which I expected, and worried how it would affect us, had we gone 1-0 up the game wouldve been over because even with 11 in their box we were still passing aroundn them so if they came out of their box we wouldve picked them off. The other problem with playing United is that at 1-1 if we were at Anfield or City wed have sat back and played on the break ourselves, as its a good result. With United they're such an inferior team that all good teams would feel that a point is failure, and that plays into their hands on the break, they still rode their luck big time.

[BigCDump]

As has been said here it's basically the same old basic Ole counter style in which they've had any success of late.

Yep, let's see Rashford tiki taka his way into the area for his goals rather than another lofted ball with all defenders standing on the half way line. You should see the state of match threads on Redcafe, he's either a useless piece of turd (v teams that sit back) or fantastic (balls lobbed over the top).

Ole ball is about right. But it's what keeps the Glazers as their owners for another couple of months before Norwich scarves are dusted down again. And the cycle continues. Forget Boom Bust cycles, this is a whole new Scarf On Scarf Off invention.

[Suedehead]

Ref made a big call against us, which I expected, and worried how it would affect us, had we gone 1-0 up the game wouldve been over because even with 11 in their box we were still passing aroundn them so if they came out of their box we wouldve picked them off. The other problem with playing United is that at 1-1 if we were at Anfield or City wed have sat back and played on the break ourselves, as its a good result. With United they're such an inferior team that all good teams would feel that a point is failure, and that plays into their hands on the break, they still rode their luck big time.

You said that with so much chest, it's almost like you believe it.

Even Ian Wright, the biggest Gooner cheerleader around, called it a foul. If that was the other way round - Eriksen on Odegaard - you'd be demanding the foul. Eriksen had two hands in his back, a knee into his thigh, and kicked through his foot. Three points of contact with no ball played. Foul.

Arsenal passed it around better than us, yep granted, but very few times got into positions to actually hurt us. We had more shots on target and always looked threatening going forward. You've got an Arsenal team three years in the making... Arteta has had three years more than Ten Hag to stamp his identity on that team, and it showed at times as Arsenal looked better in possession and well drilled. Yet you lost 3-1 to a team that is littered with new players who are still getting to grips with the manager's style of play. There are unfamiliar relationships all over the pitch... a completely new back four who had played less than 300 minutes together, new faces in midfield, and a winger who had completed two training sessions - and we had another winger playing centre-forward. Taking that into account, and the form you were in, you had a great chance to win at Old Trafford yesterday but you've only done that once in 15 years and maybe it's a mentality thing... you come to a big ground against a huge team and you fold. We've seen it before and it happened again. I'd like to think that in three years time, Ten Hag's United won't be as soft and spineless as Arteta's Arsenal...

[El Lobo]

Oh god hook this to my veins, we're just missing Cantona now A few decent, lucky results playing absolutely shit. A few crazily expensive signings that look ill-suited to the PL. And right on cue, as under Solksjaer, as under Rangnick, as under Van Gaal, out from the woodwork they crawl.

[Suedehead]

Hi El Lobo, hope you're having an enjoyable Monday. 

[Tobelius]

Oh god hook this to my veins, we're just missing Cantona now A few decent, lucky results playing absolutely shit. A few crazily expensive signings that look ill-suited to the PL. And right on cue, as under Solksjaer, as under Rangnick, as under Van Gaal, out from the woodwork they crawl.

 

[Mark Walters]

United back to Level 1 football that we saw in the early days of Ole.  How long was his unbeaten run after he got the job? That ended well when they had to actually come out and try to beat teams in front of them!

[grenny158]

I know that the term 'Doubting Thomas' comes from the disciple Thomas who was somewhat slow to believe in Christ, but treating Jesus in that way is beyond the pale.

[ScottishGoon]

You said that with so much chest, it's almost like you believe it.

Even Ian Wright, the biggest Gooner cheerleader around, called it a foul. If that was the other way round - Eriksen on Odegaard - you'd be demanding the foul. Eriksen had two hands in his back, a knee into his thigh, and kicked through his foot. Three points of contact with no ball played. Foul.

Arsenal passed it around better than us, yep granted, but very few times got into positions to actually hurt us. We had more shots on target and always looked threatening going forward. You've got an Arsenal team three years in the making... Arteta has had three years more than Ten Hag to stamp his identity on that team, and it showed at times as Arsenal looked better in possession and well drilled. Yet you lost 3-1 to a team that is littered with new players who are still getting to grips with the manager's style of play. There are unfamiliar relationships all over the pitch... a completely new back four who had played less than 300 minutes together, new faces in midfield, and a winger who had completed two training sessions - and we had another winger playing centre-forward. Taking that into account, and the form you were in, you had a great chance to win at Old Trafford yesterday but you've only done that once in 15 years and maybe it's a mentality thing... you come to a big ground against a huge team and you fold. We've seen it before and it happened again. I'd like to think that in three years time, Ten Hag's United won't be as soft and spineless as Arteta's Arsenal...

Ten Hag won't be there in 3 years.

[Hazell]

Oh god hook this to my veins, we're just missing Cantona now A few decent, lucky results playing absolutely shit. A few crazily expensive signings that look ill-suited to the PL. And right on cue, as under Solksjaer, as under Rangnick, as under Van Gaal, out from the woodwork they crawl.

It's brilliant, Cantona will definitely be back soon as well.

[JRed]

I’m guessing the United player got sent off as Ju Jitsu moves are not allowed on a football pitch?

[deano2727]

I reckon we could lose the next few and still finish ahead of this lot.

To be fair though, they have improved, if only that they've found a manager willing to drop Maguire and Ronaldo. 

[oldman]

I know that the term 'Doubting Thomas' comes from the disciple Thomas who was somewhat slow to believe in Christ, but treating Jesus in that way is beyond the pale.

for me that should be a red card - no place on a football field for a "tackle' like that

[The North Bank]

You said that with so much chest, it's almost like you believe it.

Even Ian Wright, the biggest Gooner cheerleader around, called it a foul. If that was the other way round - Eriksen on Odegaard - you'd be demanding the foul. Eriksen had two hands in his back, a knee into his thigh, and kicked through his foot. Three points of contact with no ball played. Foul.

Arsenal passed it around better than us, yep granted, but very few times got into positions to actually hurt us. We had more shots on target and always looked threatening going forward. You've got an Arsenal team three years in the making... Arteta has had three years more than Ten Hag to stamp his identity on that team, and it showed at times as Arsenal looked better in possession and well drilled. Yet you lost 3-1 to a team that is littered with new players who are still getting to grips with the manager's style of play. There are unfamiliar relationships all over the pitch... a completely new back four who had played less than 300 minutes together, new faces in midfield, and a winger who had completed two training sessions - and we had another winger playing centre-forward. Taking that into account, and the form you were in, you had a great chance to win at Old Trafford yesterday but you've only done that once in 15 years and maybe it's a mentality thing... you come to a big ground against a huge team and you fold. We've seen it before and it happened again. I'd like to think that in three years time, Ten Hag's United won't be as soft and spineless as Arteta's Arsenal...

Maguire grabbing Nketiah was more of a foul, not given.look at that rugby tackle by Mctominay , if that was Xhaka it would rightly be a red.  The only reason for the bias is because it’s man utd at home. Not the biggest case of cheating we’ve suffered at old trafford, that game that ended our 49 unbeaten run was an even bigger travesty. There are a few ways an inferior team can beat us, one of those is getting a major helping hand from the officials, like yesterday.
You’ve spent nearly a billion and won nothing for 6 years. Parking the bus with 11 players in a straight line across the 6 yard box has no courage in it. It’s the new United way, spend a billion and pretend to be the underdog. Play cowardly football and pretend it’s temporary.  Let’s see what Ten hag can win in English football before you compare him to Arteta.

[ScottishGoon]

As an aside, Antony straight away earns himself into the c*nts list. Martinez snidey as feck against you guys, we all kmow what Bruno is like, McTominay just tries to kick anything that moves.

There's a lot to dislike about that shower again.

[Solomon Grundy]

It's brilliant, Cantona will definitely be back soon as well.

Some skiing trip that will have been.

[Solomon Grundy]

You said that with so much chest, it's almost like you believe it.

Even Ian Wright, the biggest Gooner cheerleader around, called it a foul. If that was the other way round - Eriksen on Odegaard - you'd be demanding the foul. Eriksen had two hands in his back, a knee into his thigh, and kicked through his foot. Three points of contact with no ball played. Foul.

Arsenal passed it around better than us, yep granted, but very few times got into positions to actually hurt us. We had more shots on target and always looked threatening going forward. You've got an Arsenal team three years in the making... Arteta has had three years more than Ten Hag to stamp his identity on that team, and it showed at times as Arsenal looked better in possession and well drilled. Yet you lost 3-1 to a team that is littered with new players who are still getting to grips with the manager's style of play. There are unfamiliar relationships all over the pitch... a completely new back four who had played less than 300 minutes together, new faces in midfield, and a winger who had completed two training sessions - and we had another winger playing centre-forward. Taking that into account, and the form you were in, you had a great chance to win at Old Trafford yesterday but you've only done that once in 15 years and maybe it's a mentality thing... you come to a big ground against a huge team and you fold. We've seen it before and it happened again. I'd like to think that in three years time, Ten Hag's United won't be as soft and spineless as Arteta's Arsenal...

When are your rabble organising the next Glazers protest lad? Saving that for another rainy day are you?

[mainone]

the narrative is now on var not on how refs are allowing all these ridiculous wrestling tactics

[Crosby Nick]

Maguire grabbing Nketiah was more of a foul, not given.look at that rugby tackle by Mctominay , if that was Xhaka it would rightly be a red.  The only reason for the bias is because it’s man utd at home. Not the biggest case of cheating we’ve suffered at old trafford, that game that ended our 49 unbeaten run was an even bigger travesty. There are a few ways an inferior team can beat us, one of those is getting a major helping hand from the officials, like yesterday.
You’ve spent nearly a billion and won nothing for 6 years. Parking the bus with 11 players in a straight line across the 6 yard box has no courage in it. It’s the new United way, spend a billion and pretend to be the underdog. Play cowardly football and pretend it’s temporary.  Let’s see what Ten hag can win in English football before you compare him to Arteta.

That block on Nketiah was weird. I was watching it thinking, surely that’s a foul and no one spoke about it on commentary as I’d it couldn’t possibly have been a foul. One of those where anywhere else on the pitch and it would have been a foul (including the other penalty area most likely).

[Tonyh8su]

You said that with so much chest, it's almost like you believe it.

Even Ian Wright, the biggest Gooner cheerleader around, called it a foul. If that was the other way round - Eriksen on Odegaard - you'd be demanding the foul. Eriksen had two hands in his back, a knee into his thigh, and kicked through his foot. Three points of contact with no ball played. Foul.

Arsenal passed it around better than us, yep granted, but very few times got into positions to actually hurt us. We had more shots on target and always looked threatening going forward. You've got an Arsenal team three years in the making... Arteta has had three years more than Ten Hag to stamp his identity on that team, and it showed at times as Arsenal looked better in possession and well drilled. Yet you lost 3-1 to a team that is littered with new players who are still getting to grips with the manager's style of play. There are unfamiliar relationships all over the pitch... a completely new back four who had played less than 300 minutes together, new faces in midfield, and a winger who had completed two training sessions - and we had another winger playing centre-forward. Taking that into account, and the form you were in, you had a great chance to win at Old Trafford yesterday but you've only done that once in 15 years and maybe it's a mentality thing... you come to a big ground against a huge team and you fold. We've seen it before and it happened again. I'd like to think that in three years time, Ten Hag's United won't be as soft and spineless as Arteta's Arsenal...

This c*nt is back now hahahahahahahahaahahaha. They're like clockwork these idiots. Literally 15 days ago you were planning to get a game called off you were all so terrified to lose, Gary Neville has written off your new centre back after one game and calling him a midget and ye were all begging human rights abusers to buy you and also some random English billionaire fella and now you're all crawling onto a Liverpool forum calling Arsenal spineless. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha I actually can't stop laughing. And just when I think I can I see "In three years" and "Erik Ten Hag's United" in the same sentence. Fucking idiots.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

As an aside, Antony straight away earns himself into the c*nts list. Martinez snidey as feck against you guys, we all kmow what Bruno is like, McTominay just tries to kick anything that moves.

There's a lot to dislike about that shower again.

McTominay plays for literally any other team and he spends half the season out with suspension, he's not even a shithouse, he's just a very clumsy very technically limited player, which other team looks at him and says "I wish we had a McTominay in our midfield"?, fucking no one.

[Wghennessy]

Ref made a big call against us, which I expected, and worried how it would affect us, had we gone 1-0 up the game wouldve been over because even with 11 in their box we were still passing aroundn them so if they came out of their box we wouldve picked them off. The other problem with playing United is that at 1-1 if we were at Anfield or City wed have sat back and played on the break ourselves, as its a good result. With United they're such an inferior team that all good teams would feel that a point is failure, and that plays into their hands on the break, they still rode their luck big time.

Mate you have most in here saying its a foul and we fucking hate that lot. The only question for me is that imo it was re refereed which is what we are trying to avoid. The McTominay "challenge" and Martinez not being booked in the first minute were worse.

[Wghennessy]

McTominay plays for literally any other team and he spends half the season out with suspension, he's not even a shithouse, he's just a very clumsy very technically limited player, which other team looks at him and says "I wish we had a McTominay in our midfield"?, fucking no one.

He's absolutely shite. He cant do anything well.

[johnny74]

You can kind of tell when a decent football manager turns up because he makes sensible decisions that any armchair fan would make. He's dropped Maguire. Just think about that. Ole and Rangnick failed to do that. That's the intelligence level of the average football manager. Astonishing really.

It's almost like he's picking decent players and using decent tactics like some normal person. I think they will finish second behind City. Then next season they'll finish 6th. That's their cycle now.

[The North Bank]

You can kind of tell when a decent football manager turns up because he makes sensible decisions that any armchair fan would make. He's dropped Maguire. Just think about that. Ole and Rangnick failed to do that. That's the intelligence level of the average football manager. Astonishing really.

It's almost like he's picking decent players and using decent tactics like some normal person. I think they will finish second behind City. Then next season they'll finish 6th. That's their cycle now.

They won’t finish in the top 4. I’ll be back to remind you in a
 Month when they’re midtable again

[The North Bank]

Mate you have most in here saying its a foul and we fucking hate that lot. The only question for me is that imo it was re refereed which is what we are trying to avoid. The McTominay "challenge" and Martinez not being booked in the first minute were worse.

You can’t referee by the book for one team and “ let the game flow” for the other team , that is the referee cheating. Which I was worried about before the game and once again it happened.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I seem to remember the referee having no problem whatsoever sending Sami off after 3 minutes at Snake Mountain, there was no feeling it was "too early in the game", or would "ruin the game as a spectacle" etc ad nauseum.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

It does seem a little odd that United players over the years seem to be able to commit what look like red card offenses routinely and are rarely pulled up on it.

Not sure it even makes any sense. It seems that the media don't report it, so you have to wonder despite the actual video evidence from across the years that maybe we've all been imagining it and it doesn't actually happen at all. Just some weird thing where it looks like that McTominey grabs then scissors a lad in a clear red card offence, but it didn't happen. In the same way Scholes jumped two footed into opposition players in pretty much every game and it didn't happen, but was, in fact, an artifact of space and time involving tacyons, gravity waves and strangely spaghetti hoops.

[GreatEx]

While I agree that Man U's current playing style is reactionary and has a ceiling well below title challenge level, I wouldn't hang too much hope on their luck running out. The luck is a feature, not a bug. It's telling that their revival started with a clearly offside goal that even VAR's crayon crew couldn't make convincing (although enough to stick up for their mates with). End of the day, tien Dag is a genius for benching 200m pounds of investment for people who can run, they will probably contend for top four on that basis alone.

[MadErik]

It’ll be interesting to see how the manager incorporates Casemiro into his revolutionary “getting the players to run about for a change” philosophy, especially given the outlay.

[El Lobo]

You can kind of tell when a decent football manager turns up because he makes sensible decisions that any armchair fan would make. He's dropped Maguire. Just think about that. Ole and Rangnick failed to do that. That's the intelligence level of the average football manager. Astonishing really.

It's almost like he's picking decent players and using decent tactics like some normal person. I think they will finish second behind City. Then next season they'll finish 6th. That's their cycle now.

[BigCDump]

They won’t finish in the top 4. I’ll be back to remind you in a
 Month when they’re midtable again

Fully agree with this. The injury prone Varane will get, er, predictably injured again leaving Maguire to partner Martinez for the rest of the season. Crackajack, fandabidosy!

Cashmoro will not be able to play every game either so back to McFred for the second part of the season. Let's see how 8 Hags copes with not actually being able to drop players because there's no one decent left to pick. Then we'll see his true genius, like we did with Ralf The Grandfather, or Ole the Possessor of Wheels.

[stevieG786]

You can kind of tell when a decent football manager turns up because he makes sensible decisions that any armchair fan would make. He's dropped Maguire. Just think about that. Ole and Rangnick failed to do that. That's the intelligence level of the average football manager. Astonishing really.

It's almost like he's picking decent players and using decent tactics like some normal person. I think they will finish second behind City. Then next season they'll finish 6th. That's their cycle now.

[M4tt]

United are shit, they won't finish in the top 4.

That result against us has lifted their morale but as soon as they get a defeat (probably away at Palace) the malaise will rear its head again and the fan pressure will ramp up.

[stevieG786]

they’re calling themselves the resurgent devils over on RedCafe 

[MonsLibpool]

They are always one bad result away from a disaster.

[slaphead]

They are always one bad result away from a disaster.

Feels like every team is these days with the tubes in the media. You're right though, and they have 3 months yet to go until January when they can go out and blow another 100 million quid to appease the idiots until the next one

[PaulF]

As good a place as any to ask, does anyone know how Pogba is doing since he left them?

[El Lobo]

As good a place as any to ask, does anyone know how Pogba is doing since he left them?

Having knee surgery which might keep him out until after the WC, hasn't played for them yet. Has had three new, shocking haircuts. Choreographed a great new celebration with Lingard which neither has been able to use yet.

[RedSince86]

I seem to remember the referee having no problem whatsoever sending Sami off after 3 minutes at Snake Mountain, there was no feeling it was "too early in the game", or would "ruin the game as a spectacle" etc ad nauseum.

Mike "I gave MUFC 9 penalties one season" Riley was the Ref that day right?

Just when he's almost out of the job, the powers that be replace him with Howard "I love MUFC" Webb.