Topic: CL: FC Red Saltzburg 0 v Liverpool 2 Keita 57', Salah 58'

[Van Halen]

Would probably give a lot of credit to Salzburg's last manager, Marco Rose, who's led Monchengladbach to the top of the league.

He seems like the guy we want in a few years if Klopp doesn't ultimately extent.

I agree he deserves a lot of the credit.
But, his Munchin' gladbackers just got thumped out of the Europa at home by Basaksehir so maybe he's not for LFC!

[Redcap]

Hopefully this is the first of many signings direct from Salzburg. They seem like just about the best club for developing young talent in Europe right now.

I'm surprised Salzburg weren't better at protecting his value to be honest. They seem like very savvy operators and letting a talent this size go for a pittance doesn't seem in character.

[Dim Glas]

I agree he deserves a lot of the credit.
But, his Munchin' gladbackers just got thumped out of the Europa at home by Basaksehir so maybe he's not for LFC!

Borussia Dortmund failed to make it out of the Europa group stage in 2011.
They failed to get out of the group stage of the CL the year after too.

Guess who their coach was? 

Not saying I think Marco Rose will be the man for Liverpool at some point, but getting dumped out of the Europa league in his first season at Gladbach isn't probably the way to judge him.

[Van Halen]

Haha! You've convinced me he's the man now! 

[GreatEx]

Pearce:

As long as he passes his medical, Takumi Minamino will become a #LFC on January 1. Borussia Mönchengladbach, AC Milan and Manchester United among those beaten to his signature.
Fee of £7.25 million - effectively what Liverpool banked for selling Ryan Kent to Rangers.

Looks like we need a welcome thread

Isn't Manchester United "interested" in every player in Europe (and South America, and Asia)? The BBC gossip page is 95% Man U rumours. This is how they keep the peasants from revolting, I guess.

[Hazell]

Isn't Manchester United "interested" in every player in Europe (and South America, and Asia)? The BBC gossip page is 95% Man U rumours. This is how they keep the peasants from revolting, I guess.

They have revamped their scouting network, so it now covers the most farther reaches of the globe. Which is why they signed Wan Bissaka, Harry Maguire and Daniel James in the summer.

[newterp]

They have revamped their scouting network, so it now covers the most farther reaches of the globe. Which is why they signed Wan Bissaka, Harry Maguire and Daniel James in the summer.

Very comprehensive flip charts too.

[Redcap]

Very important question though:

Is he quick?

[TepidT2O]

Very important question though:

Is he quick?

Rapid?

[stockdam]

Gini, Mini, Mane, Mo

I see what you did there

[newterp]

Very important question though:

Is he quick?

He’s a rice rocket!

(Are we still allowed to make blatantly stereotypical jokes?)

[Gus 1855]

Very important question though:

Is he quick?

More pace goals

[latortuga]

While I rate the current media darling Haland, I feel his playing style/ceiling is more akin to Djeko and Klopp has never shown an interest in those types of forwards.  Someone is going to spend a shit load on that kid and while I think he'll do very well I wouldn't be surprised if Takumi ends up surpassing him in overall impact when all is said and done.

Really?  That seems very unlikely given the quality of our starting players and the fact that Haland is 5 years Minamino's junior.  Don't get me wrong I'm really excited that we've signed Minamino and feel he'll be a great addition to the side, but more impactful is a massive call.  Be careful when judging Japanese players, they can be found out when they transition to more physical leagues, as the Japanese football system is very low contact/tackling.

[newterp]

This is a really good signing from the age perspective as well - which may have been discussed above. He will just be turning 25 and is entering the prime of his career. It helps us as we aim to start turning over the squad a bit, but he’s ready to hit the ground running instead of waiting and learning.

I would have been excited if we did this for 25m.

[Bobinhood]

Rapid?

Pacy

[Redcap]

Really?  That seems very unlikely given the quality of our starting players and the fact that Haland is 5 years Minamino's junior.  Don't get me wrong I'm really excited that we've signed Minamino and feel he'll be a great addition to the side, but more impactful is a massive call.  Be careful when judging Japanese players, they can be found out when they transition to more physical leagues, as the Japanese football system is very low contact/tackling.

What's the sample size of Japanese players that you have to go off? Genuinely interested, because it doesn't seem like there have been that many at all to draw any conclusions from.

While I rate the current media darling Haland, I feel his playing style/ceiling is more akin to Djeko and Klopp has never shown an interest in those types of forwards. 

I mean, Klopp seemed to be pretty happy with Lewandowski, for example.

Klopp adapts to the players he has. I don't think he'd get Haaland because he'd cost over a hundred million, when Sancho might be available at about the same price.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

What's the sample size of Japanese players that you have to go off? Genuinely interested, because it doesn't seem like there have been that many at all to draw any conclusions from.

I mean, Klopp seemed to be pretty happy with Lewandowski, for example.

Klopp adapts to the players he has. I don't think he'd get Haaland because he'd cost over a hundred million, when Sancho might be available at about the same price.

Exactly. Lewandowski and Dzeko are in similar stature [Dzeko being slightly taller] but neither are pace merchants but both are similar in terms of the types of goals they score. Lewandowski is obviously many levels above Dzeko but the notion that he wouldn't go for Haaland because of his physical stature as you say isn't necessarily true given Lewandowski under Klop

[afc tukrish]

Has to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAL5SGbY-Lo

Substitute: "Phenom Mane..."

Works just as well...

[Sangria]

What's the sample size of Japanese players that you have to go off? Genuinely interested, because it doesn't seem like there have been that many at all to draw any conclusions from.

The Japanese national team has tended to be technical rather than physical. South Korea among the dominant Asian sides is physical. This may be a cultural thing, reflected in their stadia, with Japan favouring grand Olympic stadia and South Korea preferring British-style grounds.

[Sangria]

Has to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAL5SGbY-Lo

I'd like to see something set to this. A classic 60s duo, the grandmother of all those modern Japanese girl groups. The rhythm fits the name too.

Koi no Fuga, by The Peanuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9qvN5BNDIA

[ThePoolMan]

Really?  That seems very unlikely given the quality of our starting players and the fact that Haland is 5 years Minamino's junior.  Don't get me wrong I'm really excited that we've signed Minamino and feel he'll be a great addition to the side, but more impactful is a massive call.  Be careful when judging Japanese players, they can be found out when they transition to more physical leagues, as the Japanese football system is very low contact/tackling.

Which is good that he has proven himself in the Austrian league and in the Champions League as well...

To me, the most important thing about who we sign is who we need, and the greatest need for a long time now has been an alternate or substitute and understudy for Firmino. We simply do not have any such player in our existing squad and truth be told, there are few such players of sufficiently high standard of quality in the whole of Europe. Minamino may be the first such player to emerge, and it show show great our need is for such a player and how decisive is the Liverpool management is to swoop swiftly for him.

The fact that he is available for the frankly incredibly low (by current standards) sum of 7.25 million GBP and that he is even able to play in the CL for this season makes signing him now a no-brainer.

[ThePoolMan]

What's the sample size of Japanese players that you have to go off? Genuinely interested, because it doesn't seem like there have been that many at all to draw any conclusions from.

I mean, Klopp seemed to be pretty happy with Lewandowski, for example.

Klopp adapts to the players he has. I don't think he'd get Haaland because he'd cost over a hundred million, when Sancho might be available at about the same price.

Due to the impending impact of Brexit, it is all the more important for us to sign more quality English players and there are no English players of 20 years and below who are having as high a current threshold and as high a potential ceiling as Jadon Sancho, with all due respect to Rhian Brewster. We need to sign up Sancho in preference to even a talent like Haaland to secure a quality understudy and eventual replacement for one of our triumvirate of world class forwards. Besides, his pace and dribbling skills and high assist ability makes him even more suitable than Haaland for the way we play as someone to zlot into either Salah or Mane's roles.

[Lycan]

Due to the impending impact of Brexit, it is all the more important for us to sign more quality English players and there are no English players of 20 years and below who are having as high a current threshold and as high a potential ceiling as Jadon Sancho, with all due respect to Rhian Brewster. We need to sign up Sancho in preference to even a talent like Haaland to secure a quality understudy and eventual replacement for one of our triumvirate of world class forwards. Besides, his pace and dribbling skills and high assist ability makes him even more suitable than Haaland for the way we play as someone to zlot into either Salah or Mane's roles.

Sancho is Utd bound.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Sancho is Utd bound.

I am inclined to believe that Chelsea will sign him.

[tommy LFC]

Sancho is Utd bound.

If we don't seriously go for him I would guess we have concerns about his attittude.

[deadsetred]

If we don't seriously go for him I would guess we have concerns about his attittude.

Is Minomina a similar player? More likely we'd prefer to save the 80m+ if there's not a huge gap in talent/potential.

[harleydanger]

Mbappe2020

Sancho2020

Minamino2020



Worrying Times ™

[macmanamanaman]

Is Minomina a similar player? More likely we'd prefer to save the 80m+ if there's not a huge gap in talent/potential.

Minomina is a similar player to Minamino.
Only slight phonetic differences

[farawayred]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DL2SwlWMvog

Have a song for him already

[Kansti]

https://streamable.com/3meiq?fbclid=IwAR393Sf7p-CmzvhibX-knEmtXPB_viQEehxaisoJEtrh-dI0-0LuLioWMws

Wink wink

[Redcap]

Sancho is Utd bound.

Source?

[Clayton Bigsby]

It sounds good but does anyone believe that story re release clause?

Big multi million turnover clubs can't find out about a clause but we can because of a special relationship. Surely his agent would have leaked it to interested clubs as they are all bigger and could pay more wages than RB Salzburg.

Mute point anyway. Hopefully we get this over the line. I enjoy watching him immensely from the two games we had.

[Clayton Bigsby]

What's the sample size of Japanese players that you have to go off? Genuinely interested, because it doesn't seem like there have been that many at all to draw any conclusions from.

I mean, Klopp seemed to be pretty happy with Lewandowski, for example.

Klopp adapts to the players he has. I don't think he'd get Haaland because he'd cost over a hundred million, when Sancho might be available at about the same price.

Haaland has a clause of 20m

[PoetryInMotion]

It sounds good but does anyone believe that story re release clause?

Big multi million turnover clubs can't find out about a clause but we can because of a special relationship. Surely his agent would have leaked it to interested clubs as they are all bigger and could pay more wages than RB Salzburg.

Mute point anyway. Hopefully we get this over the line. I enjoy watching him immensely from the two games we had.

 

You mean moot? Or maybe it's a 'Moo' point, like a cow's opinion. 

On a serious note, maybe they got the agent to keep it quiet so they could get him sold in future to Leipzig for that cheap release clause. We probably intervened and our relationship with them is good enough for them to give him up. Guessing.

[meady1981]

What a great game

[BarryCrocker]

Sancho is Utd bound.

The joys of playing in Europa League and fighting for the Top 6, developing under legendary manager OGS, playing alongside JLIngz, Fred, James (not the Colombian one).

[ThePoolMan]

Sancho is Utd bound.

Why would any young player trying to improve and become world class go there to be under Solksjaer's management when he can become part of the best team in Europe and possibly the world (if we win the World Club title) under Klopp's management and guidance?

[ThePoolMan]

It sounds good but does anyone believe that story re release clause?

Big multi million turnover clubs can't find out about a clause but we can because of a special relationship. Surely his agent would have leaked it to interested clubs as they are all bigger and could pay more wages than RB Salzburg.

Mute point anyway. Hopefully we get this over the line. I enjoy watching him immensely from the two games we had.

Coutinho can bear testimony to how joining a historically glamorous club at an inflated salary can rapidly become a nightmare, and why being part of a club which is successfully playing a system that is completely attuned to your own playing style is far better.

[JC the Messiah]

Why would any young player trying to improve and become world class go there to be under Solksjaer's management when he can become part of the best team in Europe and possibly the world (if we win the World Club title) under Klopp's management and guidance?

Money.
Guaranteed start every week.
Big fish.
Can move on in 3 years.
Money.

[ThePoolMan]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/takumi-minamino-liverpool-transfer-news-salzburg-melissa-reddy-latest-a9243881.html

As well, the Echo is reporting how Liverpool had already been negotiating with Saltzburg to sign Minamino long before we beat them 2-0, so they were fully aware of how suitable he was even before Liverpool's senior players were encouraging Klopp to sign him after playing against him.

Which means that by the time the news broke, Liverpool had probably already reached agreement with his club and with his agent and that the signing was already in the bag. Edwards' stealth approach knocks another one out of the park!