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« Reply #14080 on: September 5, 2020, 08:11:08 PM »
I've corrected the misnomenclature. Is that all you have? I suggest that your past posts will require more extensive tidying up. ;)

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« Reply #14081 on: September 6, 2020, 11:07:32 AM »
Well it's right that Corbyn left Labour a shambles and his actions since really haven't been helping the Party.

I've been quite impressed with Starmer and he's held the Government to account more than Corbyn ever seemed to.

He seems to have turned it around and hopefully the people of the UK will start to think about voting for Labour again.



I've spoken to a few of my friends that are very left (I'm actually pretty left but think of myself as a bit of a centrist - not because my views are centrist - but because I think that the very left and centrists parts of the Party need to get on for the good of the Party)

Some of my lefter-leaning friends disagree. That have said they think Starmer is a 'Tory'. They reckon there is 'no difference' between Labour under Starmer and the Tories. They reckon that he's 'worse than Blair'

When I pull them up over this and ask them why if Blair was 'the same as Tories' things improved in many ways when Labour were in power and why things got much worse in 2010 onwards when Labour were knocked from Power.

They tend to get a bit sniffy and/or angry. But seem massively angry with Starmer (or more likely pissed off that their cult leader was ousted.) We've agreed to stop arguing about it because I can't see us ever agreeing. I want the Tories out. We can worry about policy and other stuff once they are out - but Labour need to get them out as the country is getting worse by the day.


I consider myself mid-left  ;D

I believe in a mixed economy with a strong private sector - but with essential utilities like water/electricity/gas provided by suppliers who are state owned and run on a not-for-profit basis. I believe in better workers' rights and strong trade unions. I want expanded public services provided free or subsidised and properly funded. I want the vast majority of taxation to be progressive (in the economic sense). I want there to be a massive focus to combat the endemic levels of tax dodging amongst the wealthy, especially the abuse of offshoring & trusts, and the tearing-down of the secrecy-walls in the BOTs/CDs.

Do I think a Starmer government would implement these? Sadly, no. But we've just had a leader who took the party leftwards and he made a pig's arse of things. As you've said, this government is destroying the country and laying the groundwork for more destruction, along with deregulation on a huge scale (ie, removing protections for workers, the environment, consumers). We need to get them out next election or they will cause more harm than that evil bitch The Thatcher did.

I voted Starmer to be leader even though I'd prefer the policies that someone like RLB would follow. I believed he would work to, if not unite a fractured party, then be inclusive of the substantial leftist wing. I've been disappointed in him in this respect. But I'll still vote for his party - which is something I didn't do for any NuLabour elections*


* the caveat being I am in a very safe Labour seat and was able to protest-vote without consequence

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« Reply #14082 on: September 14, 2020, 09:56:49 PM »
Thought you couldn't despise these utter c*nts any more?

Guess again.

Grouse hunts and shooting get special exemption from ‘rule of six’
"People have criticised Westminster for the move suggesting that the Conservative Party – whose members include self-professed hunting fans – made the exemption to please the many donors they have from the sport’s organisations and supporters.  Shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard said: ‘Across the country, people are struggling to get COVID-19 tests anywhere near their homes. ‘But the Conservatives are distracted with trying to exempt the bloodsport passions of their big donors from coronavirus regulations. It shows where this government’s priorities really lie. It is clear there’s one rule for the cabinet and their mates and another for the rest of us.’"

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/14/grouse-hunts-and-shooting-get-special-exemption-from-rule-of-six-13269362/

 
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« Reply #14083 on: September 14, 2020, 11:35:39 PM »

I consider myself mid-left  ;D

I believe in a mixed economy with a strong private sector - but with essential utilities like water/electricity/gas provided by suppliers who are state owned and run on a not-for-profit basis. I believe in better workers' rights and strong trade unions. I want expanded public services provided free or subsidised and properly funded. I want the vast majority of taxation to be progressive (in the economic sense). I want there to be a massive focus to combat the endemic levels of tax dodging amongst the wealthy, especially the abuse of offshoring & trusts, and the tearing-down of the secrecy-walls in the BOTs/CDs.

Do I think a Starmer government would implement these? Sadly, no. But we've just had a leader who took the party leftwards and he made a pig's arse of things. As you've said, this government is destroying the country and laying the groundwork for more destruction, along with deregulation on a huge scale (ie, removing protections for workers, the environment, consumers). We need to get them out next election or they will cause more harm than that evil bitch The Thatcher did.

I voted Starmer to be leader even though I'd prefer the policies that someone like RLB would follow. I believed he would work to, if not unite a fractured party, then be inclusive of the substantial leftist wing. I've been disappointed in him in this respect. But I'll still vote for his party - which is something I didn't do for any NuLabour elections*


* the caveat being I am in a very safe Labour seat and was able to protest-vote without consequence

Agree with a lot of the gist of that. I think it is very early to be calling where Labour under Starmer will be in economic policy terms when we get to the next election in 5 years time. The economy was already in a bad place long term even before you factor in Covid and Brexit. IMHO those problems will require more imaginative solutions than can be provided by 'old-school' socialist economics - although that is not mutually exclusive a lot of what you are talking about (on area of difference would be that I wouldn't be wasting energy (!) on trying to re-nationalise utilities when there are far more pressing issues to deal with).

I guess where you are on the political spectrum is relative - I imagine by American standards all of us on here are nigh on communists! From my perspective somebody who protest voted against Labour in 1997 (safe seat or not) is a very long way to the left of things by most standards. With all due respect I don't think it would be sensible for the party to be positioning itself to try and win back voters who didn't vote for them back then. 
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« Reply #14084 on: September 15, 2020, 12:33:37 AM »
On a different note - if you subscribe to the view that public opinion follows the prompting of the papers Johnson is in trouble. Seems to be fast running out of allies.

The expected evisceration from John Crace in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/14/ed-miliband-revels-in-the-humiliation-of-boris-and-his-word-salad

But more interestingly perhaps...

Daily Mail article quoting Miliband (who was standing in for Starmer tonight) at length as well as various rebellious Tory figures
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8732707/Governments-controversial-Internal-Markets-bill-passes-Commons-hurdle.html

Telegraph sketch article headlined "From seven-stone weakling to strutting muscleman... it’s the incredible return of Ed Miliband:
During the crucial debate on Brexit, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson looked on in bewilderment as the former Labour leader came out fighting"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/14/seven-stone-weakling-strutting-muscleman-incredible-return-ed/   - article behind paywall

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« Reply #14085 on: September 15, 2020, 03:08:34 PM »
Well here's an upper class twit who won't be doing much wandering for a while;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54161766

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« Reply #14086 on: September 15, 2020, 03:42:21 PM »
Well here's an upper class twit who won't be doing much wandering for a while;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54161766

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« Reply #14087 on: September 15, 2020, 11:22:42 PM »
This is good from one of those who advised May to follow a path which Johnson later used to more obvious greater success, James Johnson. Sadly it's in the special segregated sane part of the Spectator.


Looking at the Tory party messaging recently, I think he's got a point.
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« Reply #14088 on: September 15, 2020, 11:53:27 PM »
This is good from one of those who advised May to follow a path which Johnson later used to more obvious greater success, James Johnson. Sadly it's in the special segregated sane part of the Spectator.

Looking at the Tory party messaging recently, I think he's got a point.
I've never subscribed to the idea that Brexiteers will continue to support Brexit after the UK comes out transition. Yes, some will. But many (probably the majority) will almost instantly turn around - with no sense of shame - and complain bitterly about what they voted for in a Referendum and two subsequent GEs. As soon as they are inconvenienced by empty shelves and job losses far worse than in our competitor countries, their views will flip 180 and they will flip out. Mark my words - they will be apoplectic. The Government attempting to blame COVID will not wash when every other country is managing to get by and the UK is in the toilet. Your average Brexiteer will just want things to go back to how they were. This is not what we voted for, they will scream.

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« Reply #14089 on: September 16, 2020, 12:50:16 AM »
I've never subscribed to the idea that Brexiteers will continue to support Brexit after the UK comes out transition. Yes, some will. But many (probably the majority) will almost instantly turn around - with no sense of shame - and complain bitterly about what they voted for in a Referendum and two subsequent GEs. As soon as they are inconvenienced by empty shelves and job losses far worse than in our competitor countries, their views will flip 180 and they will flip out. Mark my words - they will be apoplectic. The Government attempting to blame COVID will not wash when every other country is managing to get by and the UK is in the toilet. Your average Brexiteer will just want things to go back to how they were. This is not what we voted for, they will scream.
That's how I feel, there will be some who will still be blaming the EU but the majority will just want the chaos to go away, they will expect the government to make it go away, the governments voice won't be the only voice the public hear, many companies will be livid telling us they said all this would happen and the government never helped us to over come these problems.
I went to pick up my repeat prescription today, I won't go into any details but I was told it won't be available till next month at the earliest. I should have picked it up 10 days ago but ive slowly built up a stockpile of 6 weeks because of Brexit. Ive got enough for over a month any longer and I will start feeling ill. if Brexit causes this type of problem which may well happen as stockpiles always run down there will be millions of people furious with the Tories. this was all predicted and the Tories said it was all project fear so no excuses.
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« Reply #14090 on: September 16, 2020, 07:25:54 AM »
I've never subscribed to the idea that Brexiteers will continue to support Brexit after the UK comes out transition. Yes, some will. But many (probably the majority) will almost instantly turn around - with no sense of shame - and complain bitterly about what they voted for in a Referendum and two subsequent GEs. As soon as they are inconvenienced by empty shelves and job losses far worse than in our competitor countries, their views will flip 180 and they will flip out. Mark my words - they will be apoplectic. The Government attempting to blame COVID will not wash when every other country is managing to get by and the UK is in the toilet. Your average Brexiteer will just want things to go back to how they were. This is not what we voted for, they will scream.
Very true. And Covid will make this sense of aggrievance worse; rather than providing an excuse, it will exacerbate the frustration and anger.

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« Reply #14091 on: September 16, 2020, 08:14:12 AM »
Very true. And Covid will make this sense of aggrievance worse; rather than providing an excuse, it will exacerbate the frustration and anger.

Which is why I worry that rather than going back to Labour, many will head in the opposite direction.

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« Reply #14092 on: September 16, 2020, 08:59:39 AM »
The way I look at it is this: there is huge overlap between Brexiteers* and assorted COVID-deniers. Your average COVID-denier cannot even tolerate wearing a mask when they enter a shop. How do we expect them to react when they enter the shop and there is no food?

* I include your 'bored', just get on with it types.

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« Reply #14093 on: September 16, 2020, 09:43:55 AM »
The way I look at it is this: there is huge overlap between Brexiteers* and assorted COVID-deniers. Your average COVID-denier cannot even tolerate wearing a mask when they enter a shop. How do we expect them to react when they enter the shop and there is no food?

* I include your 'bored', just get on with it types.

To add another circle to the Venn Diagram, you can intersect one entitled Climate Change, too.
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« Reply #14094 on: September 16, 2020, 09:56:49 AM »
Yeah I don´t necessarily see it. Looking at the US, all of the negative effects of Trump´s presidency seem to have just solidified the "them" and "us" mentality among his core base.

With the Tories and their press actively playing up these US style culture wars, I am not convinced that the economic or visible impacts of a No Deal Brexit are going to lead to this sudden sea change in public opinion.

Although the Tories may lose ground, as Snail said a scary alternative would be for all these newly won Red Wall votes to swing further to the Little Englander extreme.

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« Reply #14095 on: September 16, 2020, 10:12:59 AM »
Yeah I don´t necessarily see it. Looking at the US, all of the negative effects of Trump´s presidency seem to have just solidified the "them" and "us" mentality among his core base.

With the Tories and their press actively playing up these US style culture wars, I am not convinced that the economic or visible impacts of a No Deal Brexit are going to lead to this sudden sea change in public opinion.

Although the Tories may lose ground, as Snail said a scary alternative would be for all these newly won Red Wall votes to swing further to the Little Englander extreme.

Sadly, this is pretty much populism
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« Reply #14096 on: September 16, 2020, 02:08:51 PM »
As James Johnson says, this is populism without the popularity. There's a hard core of a Brexit vote, and we could stereotype from what we know, but there's not that '40% whatever he does' vote Trump relies on. It's a fraction of that. Some of it kind of reminds of other recent examples of where very noisy social media wasn't perhaps the best guide to broader opinion. What if they held a culture war and no-one turned up?
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« Reply #14097 on: September 16, 2020, 03:09:55 PM »
As James Johnson says, this is populism without the popularity. There's a hard core of a Brexit vote, and we could stereotype from what we know, but there's not that '40% whatever he does' vote Trump relies on. It's a fraction of that. Some of it kind of reminds of other recent examples of where very noisy social media wasn't perhaps the best guide to broader opinion. What if they held a culture war and no-one turned up?

Most know what we get with Johnson; incompetence and laziness, totally unaware of his brief.  The unknown is the unelected Cummings of course.

Watching clips of Rayner (standing in for Starmer) in PMQs earlier and apparently Johnson will also face committee questions at 330.

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« Reply #14098 on: September 16, 2020, 03:17:51 PM »
Most know what we get with Johnson; incompetence and laziness, totally unaware of his brief.  The unknown is the unelected Cummings of course.

Watching clips of Rayner (standing in for Starmer) in PMQs earlier and apparently Johnson will also face committee questions at 330.

How did she do?
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« Reply #14099 on: September 16, 2020, 03:22:20 PM »
How did she do?

Couple of clips on sky news was similar in approach to Starmer.  Seen one where she countered ‘these are your numbers PM’.  Johnson blustered the usual ‘we are getting on with delivering for this country while the opposition snipe from sidelines’ (paraphrased).

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« Reply #14100 on: September 16, 2020, 03:37:35 PM »
Greg Clark tying Johnson in knots from the off re Covid testing capacity.  Johnson blaming the public for requesting tests with no symptoms.  Johnson admits there’s insufficient capacity currently.  Johnson says capacity for 500k tests per day will be in place by end October (apparently contradicts previous comments from Hancock who promised same by an earlier date).

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« Reply #14101 on: September 16, 2020, 03:49:02 PM »
So an inquiry into governments handling of the Covid pandemic would not be a good use of official time at the moment, according to Johnson.

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« Reply #14102 on: September 16, 2020, 03:49:28 PM »
Greg Clark tying Johnson in knots from the off re Covid testing capacity.  Johnson blaming the public for requesting tests with no symptoms.  Johnson admits there’s insufficient capacity currently.  Johnson says capacity for 500k tests per day will be in place by end October (apparently contradicts previous comments from Hancock who promised same by an earlier date).

"Of course there'll be an inquiry into what's gone wrong." Pause. "Oh and what's gone right. And what's gone right."

Aye.
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« Reply #14103 on: September 16, 2020, 04:22:14 PM »
Why does government need to go further than allowed under ‘article 16’ of the withdrawal agreement, and why did you not have an issue with it before signing off on it?  Bluster of a response from Johnson.  Wittering on about maybe the EU will withdraw some ‘extreme’ requirements.

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« Reply #14104 on: September 16, 2020, 06:17:10 PM »
Lord King has resigned then and apparently Tories have reached some sort of arrangement with the potential ‘rebel’ MPs re the breaking of the EU withdrawal agreement.

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« Reply #14105 on: September 16, 2020, 06:22:20 PM »
There's a huge disconnect between Lord Keen resigning with a letter saying "I can't be part of the government if you plan to break the law" and Tories, who know this themselves, waving a fig leaf of "We'll only break the law if the parliamentary Tory party thinks it's in its own best interests".
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« Reply #14106 on: September 16, 2020, 06:35:50 PM »
There's a huge disconnect between Lord Keen resigning with a letter saying "I can't be part of the government if you plan to break the law" and Tories, who know this themselves, waving a fig leaf of "We'll only break the law if the parliamentary Tory party thinks it's in its own best interests".

Did you expect anything more??

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« Reply #14107 on: September 16, 2020, 06:36:44 PM »
Did you expect anything more??

Obviously not from several posts on the subject.
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« Reply #14108 on: September 16, 2020, 07:29:39 PM »
Obviously not from several posts on the subject.

Which posts are you referring to??

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« Reply #14109 on: September 16, 2020, 07:41:35 PM »
Couple of clips on sky news was similar in approach to Starmer.  Seen one where she countered ‘these are your numbers PM’.  Johnson blustered the usual ‘we are getting on with delivering for this country while the opposition snipe from sidelines’ (paraphrased).
Like shooting fish in a barrel. Probably any of Labour's current front bench could wipe the floor with Johnson. You'd think that anyone who went to Eton and Oxford would be good at public speaking and debating, but  I don't think I've ever seen a politician as bad at it as he is. Even May, who even at her most robotic at least was on top of the details, so could rebuff attacks without having to revert to bluster and name calling. I am genuinely amazed he has got this far without being able to master even the basic skills needed to be a politician.

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« Reply #14110 on: September 16, 2020, 08:24:07 PM »
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« Reply #14111 on: September 16, 2020, 09:25:09 PM »
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The voting system Rees Mogg forced through is in chaos tonight. The card readers have broken and MPs are stuck in long queues unable to social distance. Many of us are about to travel home to towns and cities across the country. This government is beyond irresponsible

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« Reply #14112 on: September 16, 2020, 09:33:19 PM »
Evening all,

I've thought about doing a separate thread about a thought that I have had grow on me over the last week or so, especially since Johnson announced the Rule of Six offensive - but here goes.

Is the mood in your community, amongst your friends, family, online presence starting to wane a bit darker. I think at the start of all this - we knew that the incompetence ran deep within the administration of this country however some naively thought we would be out of the choppy waters by now. As the nights get longer and the mercury supposedly starts to drop - has the penny dropped that we have a tough Autumn, and a potentially brutal winter coming?

I have been signed off for the last few months due to my ongoing mental health situation, so it may be me - but even at that time, I thought that the majority of people were bearing up really well at that point - but certainly since last week - I have felt that the mood towards the administration of this country and their media voices is getting less piss-taking and more angry.
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« Reply #14113 on: September 16, 2020, 10:20:23 PM »
Which posts are you referring to??

Check the Brexit thread which discussed how this was a very likely outcome. It's not expectations that's the point, it's that the government sat on Keen's resignation all day to release it at the same time as a sunny statement about how they've reassured Bob Neill and other MP friends when even Bob Neill and friends know that what they were asking for wasn't even the minimum necessary to avoid problems.
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« Reply #14114 on: September 16, 2020, 10:26:14 PM »
Evening all,

I've thought about doing a separate thread about a thought that I have had grow on me over the last week or so, especially since Johnson announced the Rule of Six offensive - but here goes.

Is the mood in your community, amongst your friends, family, online presence starting to wane a bit darker. I think at the start of all this - we knew that the incompetence ran deep within the administration of this country however some naively thought we would be out of the choppy waters by now. As the nights get longer and the mercury supposedly starts to drop - has the penny dropped that we have a tough Autumn, and a potentially brutal winter coming?

I have been signed off for the last few months due to my ongoing mental health situation, so it may be me - but even at that time, I thought that the majority of people were bearing up really well at that point - but certainly since last week - I have felt that the mood towards the administration of this country and their media voices is getting less piss-taking and more angry.

The circles I mix in are fuming - but people like my mum and dad who don't mix in politics etc - yes they seem angry, frustrated, scared etc - but it's not directed towards anyone. I think Johnson and co are still like teflon.

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Re: The upper class twits wandering with no consequences thread...
« Reply #14115 on: September 16, 2020, 10:32:17 PM »
Evening all,

I've thought about doing a separate thread about a thought that I have had grow on me over the last week or so, especially since Johnson announced the Rule of Six offensive - but here goes.

Is the mood in your community, amongst your friends, family, online presence starting to wane a bit darker. I think at the start of all this - we knew that the incompetence ran deep within the administration of this country however some naively thought we would be out of the choppy waters by now. As the nights get longer and the mercury supposedly starts to drop - has the penny dropped that we have a tough Autumn, and a potentially brutal winter coming?

I have been signed off for the last few months due to my ongoing mental health situation, so it may be me - but even at that time, I thought that the majority of people were bearing up really well at that point - but certainly since last week - I have felt that the mood towards the administration of this country and their media voices is getting less piss-taking and more angry.

I think that this is a long time for people not to be able to do the things that they enjoy.

I love going to the footy, seeing my mates, going on walks around Liverpool and on nice days walking to pubs and chilling. Plus you have the other things; meals with the missus, the cinema, the theatre and 100 other things.

All that is gone or curtailed or hassle.

I really enjoy my own company and in work I find I can be a lot more productive than normal (Even though normally I'm very productive anyway) but this is a problem in itself. I forget to get up and move about and do stuff. So you end up sitting there for hours on end, day after day. This isn't good for you.

I have to force myself to go on walks and to do exercise, but with everything, it's very hard to do and every hard to stay committed and motivated to train.


I think the real problem will come when it gets past a year. I think mentally I'm thinking 'It's just a year.. it's just a year' - but once we go over that year then you will start thinking 'More than a year.. more than a year... How much more?!"
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« Reply #14116 on: September 16, 2020, 10:33:21 PM »
Best wishes to you Bobbie

Never nice to hear of anyone suffering...  always a place to chat here... even if we are a load of arseholes ;)
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« Reply #14117 on: September 16, 2020, 10:35:29 PM »
Best wishes to you Bobbie

Never nice to hear of anyone suffering...  always a place to chat here... even if we are a load of arseholes ;)

Appreciate that - its been brutal - working from home, especially with what we now know is PTSD, Autism and Clinical depression and Anxiety, I look back on the opening few months and think its a minor miracle I lasted that long before breaking - that and not being able to DJ on the side means that I have had to find other means and ways to occupy myself - which has meant more drinking and more eating - urgh - though Netflix has been a literal life-saver at points. I have been producing more stuff - so I need to get that on Bandcamp soonish! I have said I'll get back to the gym, work has been outstanding financially  - so I'm not needing to worry on that side for about another six weeks or so - though I have swallowed my pride and applied for PIP - which apparently with my conditions I was eligible for all of this sodding time!

We were due to head over to Amsterdam in October, for a few days of drinking and dancing, that has got cancelled, so Berlin in February, and Liverpool for Easter weekend is now the plan. For now. If I was to have a bet on it - I'd wager 2/1 that somehow that can't happen.

The circles I mix in are fuming - but people like my mum and dad who don't mix in politics etc - yes they seem angry, frustrated, scared etc - but it's not directed towards anyone. I think Johnson and co are still like teflon.

I think my circles are getting angrier and angrier that we are being to blamed for the infection rate steadily increasing - but what was supposed to sodding happen, when you tell people to Eat Out To Go Out, to get back on Public Transport and go back into office - and yet - it seems the latest lockdown in the Rhondda is partly down to infection rates increasing thanks to a trip to Doncaster races - which would have been given the thumbs up by this shambles of a government.

My mother and sister voted Tory at the last election, they have lost faith in their Spiritual Leader, Johnson - and any move for there to be marshalls patrolling shopping centres have gone down as well as a bucket of cold sick online - with a lot of self-confessed Tories/Hard Brexiteers getting the piss taken out of them, but you're right - in our circles its going to be raging. And yet, I will argue that this government's incompetence during all of this, is helping sow deep unease regarding any potential 2nd lockdown.

I see the anti-vax, anti-mask lot are doing another protest in the capital this weekend - how are the authorities going to deal with that?
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Re: The upper class twits wandering with no consequences thread...
« Reply #14118 on: September 17, 2020, 01:05:13 AM »
Evening all,

I've thought about doing a separate thread about a thought that I have had grow on me over the last week or so, especially since Johnson announced the Rule of Six offensive - but here goes.

Is the mood in your community, amongst your friends, family, online presence starting to wane a bit darker. I think at the start of all this - we knew that the incompetence ran deep within the administration of this country however some naively thought we would be out of the choppy waters by now. As the nights get longer and the mercury supposedly starts to drop - has the penny dropped that we have a tough Autumn, and a potentially brutal winter coming?

I have been signed off for the last few months due to my ongoing mental health situation, so it may be me - but even at that time, I thought that the majority of people were bearing up really well at that point - but certainly since last week - I have felt that the mood towards the administration of this country and their media voices is getting less piss-taking and more angry.

It's not easy to say. I'd say that from my perspective and the people I know everybody was pretty disillusioned with the government from pretty early on as it became apparent that we were overtaking the rest of Europe in terms of death rates despite having more warning than the likes of Spain/Italy. That obviously hasn't gone away as things have developed.

That said I've not seen the mood wane much darker recently. It's been pretty clear from a long way out that we are in this for the long run and myself and most of the people I know have been acting accordingly and have 'battened down the hatches' mental health wise. We've withdrawn from reading the news and getting involved with the social media shenanigans and shifted to dealing with each day as it comes and making the most of what we are allowed to do.

Over the last few years there has been very little to celebrate about being British. But I do think that for all of the bad stuff we do still retain a certain resilience/stubbornness in our national psyche that I think is a small thing to be celebrated. In my experience most are trying to make the best of what is a very shit situation.

Put another way - I think that people are expending enough energy looking after themselves and their immediate circumstances that there isn't a lot left over to really get angry at the government.

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Re: The upper class twits wandering with no consequences thread...
« Reply #14119 on: September 17, 2020, 01:48:27 AM »
Good lord  :o

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