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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5160 on: January 16, 2020, 02:56:33 PM »
Just looking at this season again...
gonna role play a bit and take out how well we've been up to now etc. and try judge our remaining fixtures against City's on opposition form at the moment.

Yes this could and may well be a completely pointless excercise, but im bored so here goes
(not including our home fixtures)


+ im glad we have gotten southampton away done, City still have to go there and they seem to have found their groove
- they played Arsenal away at the right time, we still gotta do that - could be tricky. Not sure if a resurgence is going on there as haven't payed much attention to them but Arteta is doing ok AFAIK?
- Everton away is potential banana skin and they have a lot to prove after our kids beat them. could be tricky. Ancelotti would have had a bit more time by then to lift them
+ they have leicester away left....Brendan would like to have a go im sure
+ they have Chelsea away left and its been highlighted how off their form is at stamford bridge so may have a point to prove. City also lost there last season
+ sheffield united away could cause them problems. decent team
- west ham away now they have a bit of a new manager lift could be tough (even though its Moyes) . they like raising their game for us too
-newcastle away, until the last couple seasons i dont think this was our favourite fixture but nevertheless could be tricky
+They have to go to Spurs and im sure that wont be easy for them with the mini-history they have and Mourinho too

Norwich are bottom, we both have Watford and Brighton away, Palace at home. Shouldn't expect them to have any issues with their home games tho if they feel like throwing in a few L's that would be fine by me
Have not looked into when we are playing these teams and potential relegation scraps/top 4 scraps that would influence things further


That was fun.  :P

I agree with most of that. I've said before when you play teams makes all the difference - so far this season things have fallen pretty nicely for us.

I think we'll drop points to Everton and maybe Wolves. Think we'll be too good for West Ham. Arsenal could be a draw but I'd also expect us to have too much for their defence.

The Newcastle game will hopefully be too late to matter, same with Chelsea and Arsenal for that matter.

I think City will drop points either vs Spurs or Southampton but can see them beating Chelsea and Leicester- both of whom haven't done brilliantly when faced with genuine quality this season.

And then of course you have our match with them where a draw would be more than enough. Even a loss might be fine if we continue the way we are.

For me, if we beat United and Wolves it's done in my mind.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5161 on: January 16, 2020, 03:11:20 PM »
I agree with most of that. I've said before when you play teams makes all the difference - so far this season things have fallen pretty nicely for us.

I think we'll drop points to Everton and maybe Wolves. Think we'll be too good for West Ham. Arsenal could be a draw but I'd also expect us to have too much for their defence.

The Newcastle game will hopefully be too late to matter, same with Chelsea and Arsenal for that matter.

I think City will drop points either vs Spurs or Southampton but can see them beating Chelsea and Leicester- both of whom haven't done brilliantly when faced with genuine quality this season.

And then of course you have our match with them where a draw would be more than enough. Even a loss might be fine if we continue the way we are.

For me, if we beat United and Wolves it's done in my mind.

Why Everton? I know it's a derby but they're absolute dog shit! The only loss I can see is City away. Avoid defeat at the emptyhad and we're going unbeaten.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5162 on: January 16, 2020, 03:12:00 PM »
I agree with most of that. I've said before when you play teams makes all the difference - so far this season things have fallen pretty nicely for us.


Its swings and roundabouts. Playing Norwich in the first game of the season was the hardest time to play them as they hadn't realised how out of depth they were. We also played Southampton away at a tricky time given we went to extra time in the Super Cup. Playing Wolves days after they came back to beat Man City made that fixture infinitely harder too. Burnley were in much better form when we played them compared to now, and playing Watford in their first game with a new manager was as hard as you're going to get it against them. West Ham away would have been a peice of piss if we played the fixture when it was originally scheduled, now its tricky.

But then conversely we got City without Ederson and Spurs without Kane. We played Bournemouth when they became shit and Leicester just after City had shown them they weren't title contenders. Our Christmas schedule in general was kind in terms of rest.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5163 on: January 16, 2020, 03:33:59 PM »
We play Arsenal in the last 3 gameweeks of the season, I imagine that won't hold much of importance if we maintain our form.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5164 on: January 16, 2020, 03:42:02 PM »
We'll have it won by the time we play Arsenal. We usually spank them anyway.

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« Reply #5165 on: January 16, 2020, 03:42:30 PM »
Why Everton? I know it's a derby but they're absolute dog shit! The only loss I can see is City away. Avoid defeat at the emptyhad and we're going unbeaten.

When was the last time we won comfortably at Goodison? Not that often. They will give us a game. We should win but could I see a draw? Yes.

I dont think we'll win every game left but don't see many losses. At most 2 losses. We just need to keep turning potential draws into wins and we'll be fine.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5166 on: January 16, 2020, 04:13:30 PM »
If we’ve won it with 3,4,5 games to go, expect focus to switch to champions league with heavily rotated league line ups.  Last 3 games would be tricky if this is the case....

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« Reply #5167 on: January 16, 2020, 04:15:09 PM »
I dont think we'll win every game left but don't see many losses. At most 2 losses. We just need to keep turning potential draws into wins and we'll be fine.

That's what we have been doing so well...there are some that will have us believe its because of luck and VAR/ref decisions...
But how many of those games were we REALLY lucky? There have been a handful sure. For the most part we've bossed each and every game where it matters, in both boxes.

If people want to talk about opposition missing chances well we miss a fair few too! And plus there's the whole butterfly effect stuff mentioned in previous pages.

There has been luck no doubt. maybe we should have about 2/3 more draws and a loss? But with a run like we've been on lady luck always plays a part and i'll take it because god knows that bitch has spanked us a fair few times in recent seasons.  ;D

Everton match will be their everything.....as it always is....and even though we don't always win we don't lose. It will be City away and Wolves away that I think could be the hardest fixtures left for us to be honest
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5168 on: January 16, 2020, 04:18:20 PM »
When was the last time we won comfortably at Goodison? Not that often. They will give us a game. We should win but could I see a draw? Yes.

I dont think we'll win every game left but don't see many losses. At most 2 losses. We just need to keep turning potential draws into wins and we'll be fine.

We usually draw at Goodison, we haven't won many there since Rafa left.

They collectively shit themselves at Anfield but it's always tough at the pit with their snarling crowd behind them.

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« Reply #5170 on: January 16, 2020, 04:28:22 PM »
Why Everton? I know it's a derby but they're absolute dog shit! The only loss I can see is City away. Avoid defeat at the emptyhad and we're going unbeaten.

It’s not just the derby. If you think we’re going unbeaten al season fair play. I’ll take one game at a time and see how we go. The derby at goodison usually is never easy. It’s not hard to figure out.
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« Reply #5171 on: January 16, 2020, 05:33:44 PM »
We play Arsenal in the last 3 gameweeks of the season, I imagine that won't hold much of importance if we maintain our form.

Chelsea too. Then Newcastle away. Let's just say keeping it double-digits until three games to go would be nice  ;D

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« Reply #5172 on: January 16, 2020, 05:35:29 PM »
For me, if we beat United and Wolves it's done in my mind.

I am also looking at how we stand after these two games.

If we win both, I'll start to feel very confident.

At the moment, I just don't want to jinx us
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« Reply #5173 on: January 16, 2020, 05:36:12 PM »
Chelsea too. Then Newcastle away. Let's just say keeping it double-digits until three games to go would be nice  ;D

This would be a lovely dilemma to have but I can see Arsenal away being tricky if we are still unbeaten at that point as they’ll be he’ll bent on stopping us going unbeaten all season. That said, if we’re still unbeaten at that point we’ll almost certainly be champions already so I’d like to deal with that ‘problem’ when we get to it. :D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5174 on: January 16, 2020, 06:00:31 PM »
It's a shame we dont have arsenal sooner. As much as arteta has lifted them, they still look well short, tired and not much better at the back.

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« Reply #5175 on: January 16, 2020, 06:18:36 PM »
If we get the same results in our closing fixtures as we did in the same games last year we'll finish on 104pts... turn the City loss into a draw/win and you have a nice 105-7pt unbeaten title.

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« Reply #5176 on: January 16, 2020, 06:54:54 PM »
Just want to say that I think Spurs without Kane, at least against us, are better than with Kane. Our defenders are well capable of putting Harry in their pocket. But the pace and trickery of Son, plus a fired up Moura, are difficult to deal with.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5177 on: January 16, 2020, 07:06:40 PM »
Would you mind if I 'borrowed' it and shared it through some social media?
Hi mate,

I am more a lurker than a poster these days. This was an earlier draft of something we were working on for an article that is now live on Liverpool.com. It might include a few other graphics that might interest you also.

https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

Hope you are well.

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Edit: twitter being annoying.

Here is the correct link.
https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720
« Last Edit: January 16, 2020, 07:09:43 PM by BabuYagu »
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« Reply #5178 on: January 16, 2020, 07:07:07 PM »
I remember during the Brendan 'We are Liverpool tra la la la la' league run, our lead at the top was minuscule and we were all WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO THIS and STOP BEING A BEDWETTER and WHERE'S YOUR BELIEF YOU SACK OF UNWASHED WOOL.

I was all in for it.

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.
The nature of the title race in 2014. Gerrard's speech after City, the Chelsea game, the Palace game. I mean, it genuinely couldn't have been scripted any crueler. It's the sort of string of events that rival fans dream up on their own forums, but it actually happened. Gerrard's departure the season after was a really downbeat affair too. Got beaten at his last game at Anfield, got annhilated in his last ever game at Stoke. Those sorts of things can change the mindset of a fanbase.

Things were different from day one under Klopp of course. He was always the perfect fit for Liverpool. Yet even under him there were heartbreaks in three cup finals and another title lost despite an unbelievably strong domestic campaign. Again, these things add up. I genuinely believe losing another Champions League final would have been very hard to recover from, even for this side.

After Madrid though, we now play with the confidence of winners. Unlike 2005, we look like Europe's best. I think our collective fanbase are being very astute about our chances. On the whole there's no panic that we'll throw it away in some heartbreaking manner, nor is there any overconfidence about the gap to City. If we manage to get to a stage where a couple of wins will guarantee the title, things will kick up several gears. For now I think our fans actually mirror the businesslike psyche of the team, and that's a good thing.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5179 on: January 16, 2020, 07:14:37 PM »
Hi mate,

I am more a lurker than a poster these days. This was an earlier draft of something we were working on for an article that is now live on Liverpool.com. It might include a few other graphics that might interest you also.

https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

Hope you are well.

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Edit: twitter being annoying.

Here is the correct link.
https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

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« Reply #5180 on: January 16, 2020, 07:22:16 PM »
Hello mate! (Am sure all’s going well for you.)

Hey Royhendo. Very busy - but busy is good. Kids summer holidays here which means I have approximately zero time or focus on to get stuff like this done :D

Hope you and the family are well and had a good festive period. I imagine you are enjoying the football this season. What an unbelievable 18-20 months these have been. Hopefully we look back on this as the beginning of an era rather than a beautiful ending to an era.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5181 on: January 16, 2020, 10:25:24 PM »
This would be a lovely dilemma to have but I can see Arsenal away being tricky if we are still unbeaten at that point as they’ll be he’ll bent on stopping us going unbeaten all season. That said, if we’re still unbeaten at that point we’ll almost certainly be champions already so I’d like to deal with that ‘problem’ when we get to it. :D
For the fans the unbeaten thing will be massive ( not for ours if you believe a lot of posts here). But I kind of feel it won't matter much to their players.
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« Reply #5182 on: January 16, 2020, 10:47:15 PM »
The nature of the title race in 2014. Gerrard's speech after City, the Chelsea game, the Palace game. I mean, it genuinely couldn't have been scripted any crueler. It's the sort of string of events that rival fans dream up on their own forums, but it actually happened. Gerrard's departure the season after was a really downbeat affair too. Got beaten at his last game at Anfield, got annhilated in his last ever game at Stoke. Those sorts of things can change the mindset of a fanbase.

Things were different from day one under Klopp of course. He was always the perfect fit for Liverpool. Yet even under him there were heartbreaks in three cup finals and another title lost despite an unbelievably strong domestic campaign. Again, these things add up. I genuinely believe losing another Champions League final would have been very hard to recover from, even for this side.

After Madrid though, we now play with the confidence of winners. Unlike 2005, we look like Europe's best. I think our collective fanbase are being very astute about our chances. On the whole there's no panic that we'll throw it away in some heartbreaking manner, nor is there any overconfidence about the gap to City. If we manage to get to a stage where a couple of wins will guarantee the title, things will kick up several gears. For now I think our fans actually mirror the businesslike psyche of the team, and that's a good thing.

It would have been a sickening blow all around to lose big ears to Spurs after all the progress under Klopp. We'd had so many near misses - it was so important we got that one over the line and the players, club and fans have all grown in stature from there.

I'm cool with the current one game at a time mindset. I'm well aware of how far ahead we are yet similarly am not allowing myself to think it's won. I'm also convinced we'll beat every team we meet at the moment, we're that good and playing that well. I don't think it's fear from the past, I think it's the mentality Klopp has struck into the whole club. We all back our mentality monsters to finish this off, but equally we're keeping a lid on it until it's done.

It's nice to enjoy the ride though unlike the weekly stress of the cat and mouse chase last season!
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« Reply #5183 on: January 16, 2020, 10:59:01 PM »
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« Reply #5184 on: January 16, 2020, 11:42:16 PM »
I’m glad about the no warm weather break this year, it seems like the players don’t get a lot of alone time, and any travel is tiring so a good few days at home resting is probably the best thing for them

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« Reply #5185 on: January 16, 2020, 11:45:10 PM »
I’m glad about the no warm weather break this year, it seems like the players don’t get a lot of alone time, and any travel is tiring so a good few days at home resting is probably the best thing for them

They’ll probably hop on a plane anyway and go somewhere warm on holiday.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5186 on: January 17, 2020, 12:44:48 AM »
Hi mate,

I am more a lurker than a poster these days. This was an earlier draft of something we were working on for an article that is now live on Liverpool.com. It might include a few other graphics that might interest you also.

https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

Hope you are well.

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Edit: twitter being annoying.

Here is the correct link.
https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

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« Reply #5187 on: January 17, 2020, 12:51:08 AM »
I just want to watch skysports Premier League years with a happy ending.

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« Reply #5188 on: January 17, 2020, 01:02:07 AM »
I just want to watch skysports Premier League years with a happy ending.

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« Reply #5189 on: January 17, 2020, 08:27:42 AM »
Just want to say that I think Spurs without Kane, at least against us, are better than with Kane. Our defenders are well capable of putting Harry in their pocket. But the pace and trickery of Son, plus a fired up Moura, are difficult to deal with.

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« Reply #5190 on: January 17, 2020, 08:57:45 AM »
Hi mate,

I am more a lurker than a poster these days. This was an earlier draft of something we were working on for an article that is now live on Liverpool.com. It might include a few other graphics that might interest you also.

https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

Hope you are well.

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Edit: twitter being annoying.

Here is the correct link.
https://twitter.com/Kristian_Walsh/status/1217885592962334720

Great to see you. I'm not on twitter but do try to drop in and see your work on there. Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #5192 on: January 17, 2020, 09:15:01 AM »
I just want to watch skysports Premier League years with a happy ending.
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« Reply #5193 on: January 17, 2020, 10:43:28 AM »
There was. We got a trophy out of it...

Quite right, and probably the main reason why we opted against one this time. Give the players a mental break then get ready for the next set of matches.
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« Reply #5194 on: January 17, 2020, 11:21:20 AM »
Cant see any brothels doing that sort of package

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« Reply #5195 on: January 17, 2020, 01:24:34 PM »
State of this. Don't think I have anything similar done for any other club going for the title EVER!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5196 on: January 17, 2020, 01:41:48 PM »
State of this. Don't think I have anything similar done for any other club going for the title EVER!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/51149891

It's been 30 years and they hate us. Still getting more attention than City though.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5197 on: January 17, 2020, 01:42:26 PM »
State of this. Don't think I have anything similar done for any other club going for the title EVER!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/51149891

That's disgraceful - even if meant as 'humour' it ain't funny and the fuckin B fuckin B fuckin C are making us a 'hated' team.

Not good.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5198 on: January 17, 2020, 01:43:58 PM »
State of this. Don't think I have anything similar done for any other club going for the title EVER!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/51149891

But no other club in the country attracts as much unbridled jealousy from sour-faced no-marks with nothing positive to contribute to life.

I can't be arsed listening to the whingeing gobshites drone on. I think I'll just enjoy Liverpool being the best team on the planet at the moment.  :wave
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5199 on: January 17, 2020, 01:45:06 PM »
It's funny, you never see these articles when it was Leicester or Man United or City.