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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #760 on: November 10, 2019, 10:06:43 PM »
Top 6 record:

Liverpool: P5 WWDWW 13 points

City: P2 DL 1 point

United and Spurs aren't top 6 right now. ;D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #761 on: November 10, 2019, 10:10:12 PM »
Palace will give us a harder game at theirs than they did City. We play before the plastic derby so would be nice to get another win and put pressure on both. Leicester play same time as us and I would expect them to beat Brighton away but you never know.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #762 on: November 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM »
I’d still rather a Chelsea win I think. The more points City drop (and sooner), the better.

Agree.

Mourinho for once made a good point about Chelsea that in the big games they're not doing well at all.. Against us in the Super Cup, Utd Away, against us in the league, Ajax etc...

I don't fancy them to beat City but a Chelsea win would be a great outcome.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #763 on: November 10, 2019, 10:19:06 PM »
Great to have this lead. Still think Feb/Mar will be the crucial time to determine the Champions. They have a tough run amongst possible big Champions League games as well

Feb - Spurs & Leicester away
Mar - Arsenal, United, Burnley, Chelsea
Next match - Liverpool


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« Reply #764 on: November 10, 2019, 10:22:49 PM »
As I said elsewhere, last season City lost four league games.  This year they've already lost three.  We got done last year the same way we got done in 08-9 - the draws killed us.  So when it comes to playing Chelsea I'll quite happily accept a City draw.  Points dropped anywhere are welcome, and City dropping two points hurts them a lot more than Chelsea gaining a point hurts us.

It was about time the performance levels of City over the previous two seasons started to show.  Any dropped points are welcome.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #765 on: November 10, 2019, 10:43:09 PM »
Great to have this lead. Still think Feb/Mar will be the crucial time to determine the Champions. They have a tough run amongst possible big Champions League games as well

Feb - Spurs & Leicester away
Mar - Arsenal, United, Burnley, Chelsea
Next match - Liverpool



City have a tough run in until the end of the year.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #766 on: November 10, 2019, 10:45:56 PM »
If we're still 9+ clear after the Christmas period with no injuries, then I'd say its over.

You never know with footy though, and we like to make things hard usually. ;D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #767 on: November 11, 2019, 12:05:59 AM »
Just for fun, I was checking out the results from Arsenal's "Invincibles" season.

By the time they finished playing their 12th PL game of the season they had 3 draws:

  • Arsenal 1 - Portsmouth 1 (game 5)
  • Man Utd 0 - Arsenal 0 (game 6)
  • Charlton Athletic 1 - Arsenal 1 (game 10)

They had beaten Everton, Boro, Villa, Man City pre-Abu Dhabi buyout, Newcastle, us (a game that included a Hyypiä own goal, sadly), Chelsea, Leeds and Spurs.

TBF this was shortly before I started following LFC and watching the League every week so I ask out of actual curiosity: were Portsmouth and Charlton decent back then, or those draws were more like freak results?

Anyway, enough about L'Arse. Different decade, different context in the League. I just posted this because I really fucking hope we end up going unbeaten - and yes, I know how unlikely that'd be. I'm not getting carried away yet. We came so close last year and... well, incredibly fine margins.

Curiously enough, we also had 3 draws in 12 matches last season...

  • Chelsea 1 - Liverpool 1 (game 7, with that glorious Sturridge last-minute equalizer)
  • Liverpool 0 - Man City 0 (game 8, with Mahrez missing his penalty)
  • Arsenal 1 - Liverpool 1 (game 11)

which shows we've already improved on 2 of those fixtures (beating both Chelsea and ManCity).

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #768 on: November 11, 2019, 12:17:28 AM »
United and Spurs aren't top 6 right now. ;D
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« Reply #769 on: November 11, 2019, 12:20:30 AM »
I don’t remember Pompey and Charlton being that good, although both liked to grab a result against us. But we weren’t brilliant towards the end of the Houllier regime.

Probably equivalent to Bournemouth or Burnley now, solid midtable teams who might spring the odd surprise.

I couldn’t care less about going unbeaten really, if we won the league losing three or four games, who’d even care? Long, long way to go of course. We won all our fixtures at the start of the 90/91 season and still finished second in the end.

We’ve got off to a good start is all. Just keep on taking it a game at time and try our best to keep the rest at arms length. Those draws against Leicester & West Ham last season, if we’d won those games I reckon City might’ve lost heart and concentrated solely on the CL. Don’t give the rest any hope.

(Easier said than done of course)

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« Reply #770 on: November 11, 2019, 12:23:30 AM »
Our results against the other sides currently in the top 6 reads WWWWW

Which is even better of course. ;D
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« Reply #771 on: November 11, 2019, 12:27:23 AM »
I don’t remember Pompey and Charlton being that good, although both liked to grab a result against us. But we weren’t brilliant towards the end of the Houllier regime.

Probably equivalent to Bournemouth or Burnley now, solid midtable teams who might spring the odd surprise.

I couldn’t care less about going unbeaten really, if we won the league losing three or four games, who’d even care? Long, long way to go of course. We won all our fixtures at the start of the 90/91 season and still finished second in the end.

We’ve got off to a good start is all. Just keep on taking it a game at time and try our best to keep the rest at arms length. Those draws against Leicester & West Ham last season, if we’d won those games I reckon City might’ve lost heart and concentrated solely on the CL. Don’t give the rest any hope.

(Easier said than done of course)

cheers for answering my question, really appreciated! :)

As for your "unbeaten" comment... well, yes. Winning the title, however it's achieved, surpasses any other consideration for me. I'd just consider the unbeaten thing the icing on the cake, the cherry on top. Not only we'd overtake the PL's most expensive team and one of their most dominant *ever*, but also not losing any match? Simply glorious ;D

But still, I'd take 19 even if that meant we end up losing a couple of matches in a row ;)

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #772 on: November 11, 2019, 12:34:07 AM »
You can be 100% sure that city will sign a centre back in January and will likely go on a crazy winning run. The only thing is they might have too much to make up by the time January comes around. They have some really tough games coming up leading up to Christmas. Just hope teams have the balls to have a go at their defence until then. That’s a defence that’s worth 100s of millions as well. Just bad recruitment from them

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #773 on: November 11, 2019, 12:53:09 AM »
We won 12 of our first 13 in 90/91 and drew the other one and that was a team that had won everything.

Gotta take into account that team was coming to the end of its reign (90 side wasnt as devastating as the 88 one) and as we all know Kenny was going through an unbelievably hard time and I guess it started to show once Arsenal came at us.

We are a bit more stable and hungry at this point (I hope). What would really help is beating Palace and Napoli. Consolidating the gap and confirming our CL place would ease the pressure on the final group game allowing us to rotate properly and prepare for the big tests to come.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #774 on: November 11, 2019, 01:45:07 AM »
You can be 100% sure that city will sign a centre back in January and will likely go on a crazy winning run. The only thing is they might have too much to make up by the time January comes around. They have some really tough games coming up leading up to Christmas. Just hope teams have the balls to have a go at their defence until then. That’s a defence that’s worth 100s of millions as well. Just bad recruitment from them

You definitely can’t be 100% sure of that.

Will they sign a centre back as Laporte will be due back around then? Even if they do, going on a crazy winning run is not exactly guaranteed.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #775 on: November 11, 2019, 02:50:05 AM »
How many points do we think the winners will need.

I'm saying 93.

City's ridiculously high points totals these last two years probably clouding my judgment, wouldn't put it past the c*nts to go on some 15 game winning streak at some stage.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #776 on: November 11, 2019, 03:20:46 AM »
Found this on Reddit. If you look at City's column and in particular where they have two white columns together you can see how they have had very few matches against any top seven teams.


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« Reply #777 on: November 11, 2019, 03:23:17 AM »
Funny that the Mancs have 2 wins and a draw against the top three.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #778 on: November 11, 2019, 04:45:18 AM »
Funny that the Mancs have 2 wins and a draw against the top three.

Thanks to them for any assistance against the others. As long as we spank them at Anfield.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #779 on: November 11, 2019, 04:57:15 AM »
We're in a great position now, but I'm not getting carried away yet. We've got a very tricky set of fixtures coming up, starting with away at Palace. And I'll be annoyed if we undo our good work from yesterday and slip up there. Just got to take one game at a time and hope we steer clear of any serious injuries.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #780 on: November 11, 2019, 05:04:29 AM »
Damn international break.

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« Reply #781 on: November 11, 2019, 06:25:28 AM »
Just for fun, I was checking out the results from Arsenal's "Invincibles" season.

By the time they finished playing their 12th PL game of the season they had 3 draws:

  • Arsenal 1 - Portsmouth 1 (game 5)
  • Man Utd 0 - Arsenal 0 (game 6)
  • Charlton Athletic 1 - Arsenal 1 (game 10)

They had beaten Everton, Boro, Villa, Man City pre-Abu Dhabi buyout, Newcastle, us (a game that included a Hyypiä own goal, sadly), Chelsea, Leeds and Spurs.

TBF this was shortly before I started following LFC and watching the League every week so I ask out of actual curiosity: were Portsmouth and Charlton decent back then, or those draws were more like freak results?

Anyway, enough about L'Arse. Different decade, different context in the League. I just posted this because I really fucking hope we end up going unbeaten - and yes, I know how unlikely that'd be. I'm not getting carried away yet. We came so close last year and... well, incredibly fine margins.

Curiously enough, we also had 3 draws in 12 matches last season...

  • Chelsea 1 - Liverpool 1 (game 7, with that glorious Sturridge last-minute equalizer)
  • Liverpool 0 - Man City 0 (game 8, with Mahrez missing his penalty)
  • Arsenal 1 - Liverpool 1 (game 11)

which shows we've already improved on 2 of those fixtures (beating both Chelsea and ManCity).

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The Portsmouth game was talked about a fair bit (probably too much in my opinion), because Pires dived to win a penalty for their equaliser. The United game was hilarious as that was the one when Van Nistelrooy missed a late penalty and Keown did his flying monkey impression.

At this stage no one was talking them going the season unbeaten though, the Portsmouth game was used as a bit of a stick to beat them with but no one can go a season unbeaten without getting some luck/favourable decisions here or there.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #782 on: November 11, 2019, 08:06:02 AM »
Damn international break.
Right now, I am welcoming these breaks. I'm finding the season exhilarating but also pretty stressful.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #783 on: November 11, 2019, 08:07:33 AM »
I think we'll win the league now this team is different from any Liverpool team I can remember in terms of quality and mental fortitude. The highest compliment I can give is that when they take to the pitch you just expect them to win regardless of the opponent.

I wouldn't be shocked if we only lost once all season again. City (A) is the only game where I'd probably be expecting the opposition to win.

We're already 6 points ahead of last year in a direct fixture to fixture comparison turning

Chelsea (A)
Leicester (H)
City (H)

From draws into wins.

At this point only an injury crisis would stop us I think. We can still improve a lot by getting more defensively sound and Salah hitting top form which he looked like he was getting there in the last game. We've had a much tougher start than City as well and without Laporte I think they'll drop some more points before Christmas.

But football is a cruel mistress so I'm not willing to bet my life savings on it yet. I'm wondering when others would start to believe if they don't already? Say if we won the rest of our games up until the club world cup and the chasing pack dropped some points so we had a 10+ point lead would people believe then or would that still be too early?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #784 on: November 11, 2019, 08:22:50 AM »
How many points do we think the winners will need.

I'm saying 93.

City's ridiculously high points totals these last two years probably clouding my judgment, wouldn't put it past the c*nts to go on some 15 game winning streak at some stage.

I think you have to pretty much expect them to go on a run, the question is at what point does that come and how far away are we? They have a hard run of fixtures coming up compared to us. If they make it through their next 6 without dropping points I will be shocked to be honest. I dont see us dropping many points in our next 6. I would say a minimum of 14pts gained and realistically think we will get 16 pts.

I think 94 will be needed to win the league this year. If we can get 16 points from our next 6 games we would have 50 points after 18 games and would only need 44 points from 20 games which is a record of 14-2-4. Which is pretty easy on paper

These next 6 games are huge for us;

Palace (A)
Brighton
Everton
Bournemouth (A)
Watford
Leicester City (A)

Compared to City (They play one extra because West Ham is postponed)

Chelsea
Newcastle (A)
Burnley (A)
Man United
Arsenal (A)
Leicester City
Wolves (A)

Way harder next set compared to us but we do have a fixture pile up with Carabao, Champions League and Club World Cup.

Beating Napoli at Home would be massively helpful to us as it means we win our group and can play the kiddos against Redbull Salzburg and even fully rest the core players and not make them travel.
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« Reply #785 on: November 11, 2019, 08:30:42 AM »
Found this on Reddit. If you look at City's column and in particular where they have two white columns together you can see how they have had very few matches against any top seven teams.



Other than Newcastle their next 8 games are all against teams in the top 10.

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« Reply #786 on: November 11, 2019, 09:18:41 AM »
Paraphrasing but what Hendo said immediately after the match was music to my ears

"Our first mistake would be to think that we have done it now"

Spot on Hendo. Do not let up....Keep this gap as big as possible for as long as possible and the rest will lose heart
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #787 on: November 11, 2019, 09:26:01 AM »
Damn international break.

Last one for a while and it looks a blessing for Salah's ankle and getting Matip and Shaqiri back. Hopefully, Southgate continues not to use TAA but some minutes for Gomez and OX would be handy.

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« Reply #788 on: November 11, 2019, 09:26:30 AM »
I think we'll win the league now this team is different from any Liverpool team I can remember in terms of quality and mental fortitude. The highest compliment I can give is that when they take to the pitch you just expect them to win regardless of the opponent.

I wouldn't be shocked if we only lost once all season again. City (A) is the only game where I'd probably be expecting the opposition to win.

We're already 6 points ahead of last year in a direct fixture to fixture comparison turning

Chelsea (A)
Leicester (H)
City (H)

From draws into wins.

At this point only an injury crisis would stop us I think. We can still improve a lot by getting more defensively sound and Salah hitting top form which he looked like he was getting there in the last game. We've had a much tougher start than City as well and without Laporte I think they'll drop some more points before Christmas.

But football is a cruel mistress so I'm not willing to bet my life savings on it yet. I'm wondering when others would start to believe if they don't already? Say if we won the rest of our games up until the club world cup and the chasing pack dropped some points so we had a 10+ point lead would people believe then or would that still be too early?

We've actually had an injury crisis.  The best goalkeeper in the world was out for 10 games (what an inspired signing Adrian turned out to be).  We've also had a centre-back out who would walk into any other side in the PL (especially City).  We have two midfielders recovering from long-term injuries and are only now coming back to full fitness. We had a world class forward injured by a nasty foul, and he still isn't 100% (we missed him for the only game where we've dropped points this season).

Of course, there are some players whose absence would be felt more than others, and I think everyone agrees that the full-backs and Virgil are vital, and there are others who we'd rather not have out of the side for any extended period.  But I think we have decent strength in depth now, and it makes us more resilient to injuries.
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« Reply #789 on: November 11, 2019, 09:41:34 AM »
As all the players who have won the league with us will tell you, one game at a time, keep racking up the points and see where you are at the end.

Having said that, so long as we are fine with injuries to key players, I really cannot see why we won't crack 100pts though.

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« Reply #790 on: November 11, 2019, 09:58:34 AM »
Thing about their tough fixtures coming up is that they're usually pretty faultless against these teams. Arsenal never take anything off them, and neither do United. They lost at Stamford Bridge last season but then spanked them for six later in the season.

The games they've lost have generally been unexpected until yesterday; wolves and palace at home, Newcastle, Norwich away. It's nowhere near done because we know they can string 12 or 13 wins together and all it takes is a couple of draws from us over that period and it's tight again especially as they'll have played an extra game or two in the league due to our club world cup commitments?

It's not done but it is one hell of an advantage. If we keep playing like we are then they will need to be pretty much faultless for the rest of the season. We've got a huge challenge coming up with our fixture list but if we get to the middle of January still 9 clear of them then we have an incredible chance.

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« Reply #791 on: November 11, 2019, 10:05:13 AM »
We've actually had an injury crisis.  The best goalkeeper in the world was out for 10 games (what an inspired signing Adrian turned out to be).  We've also had a centre-back out who would walk into any other side in the PL (especially City).  We have two midfielders recovering from long-term injuries and are only now coming back to full fitness. We had a world class forward injured by a nasty foul, and he still isn't 100% (we missed him for the only game where we've dropped points this season).

Of course, there are some players whose absence would be felt more than others, and I think everyone agrees that the full-backs and Virgil are vital, and there are others who we'd rather not have out of the side for any extended period.  But I think we have decent strength in depth now, and it makes us more resilient to injuries.

Shaqiri too, who although not as good as Sane, basically plays the same role in our squad. Sane is not a first choice player for Pep.
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« Reply #792 on: November 11, 2019, 10:14:46 AM »
Other than Newcastle their next 8 games are all against teams in the top 10.

And we’ve played the rest of the top 7 there.

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« Reply #793 on: November 11, 2019, 10:20:33 AM »
I think them playing an extra game and cutting the deficit will help keep a lid on things from our perspective. I remember last season people threw the "10 points ahead" crap even though we were probably 10pts ahead for less than 24 hours!

This time, if the gap stays around 6 it means we won't get too complacent esp when we play the lesser teams but we will have that game in hand when we need it.
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« Reply #794 on: November 11, 2019, 10:29:40 AM »
Looking good but we all know they can go on a mammoth run of wins

Think I wrote in here yesterday that I can’t see Chelsea or Leicester winning. They’ll both drop too many points
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #795 on: November 11, 2019, 10:40:33 AM »
Thing about their tough fixtures coming up is that they're usually pretty faultless against these teams. Arsenal never take anything off them, and neither do United. They lost at Stamford Bridge last season but then spanked them for six later in the season.

The games they've lost have generally been unexpected until yesterday; wolves and palace at home, Newcastle, Norwich away. It's nowhere near done because we know they can string 12 or 13 wins together and all it takes is a couple of draws from us over that period and it's tight again especially as they'll have played an extra game or two in the league due to our club world cup commitments?

It's not done but it is one hell of an advantage. If we keep playing like we are then they will need to be pretty much faultless for the rest of the season. We've got a huge challenge coming up with our fixture list but if we get to the middle of January still 9 clear of them then we have an incredible chance.

City are capable of going unbeaten until the end of the season and yes normally City might beat Utd, Arsenal etc but each season is different.

Unlike last season Utd have to think about themselves rather than Liverpool. They're miles away from top 4

Chelsea have a young and hungry team

Burnley and Newcastle away is never easy.

Leicester are a team you don't want to play any time soon.

Wolves are dangerous.

One of the key factors is City's defence as currently teams will create chances against them. The defence is as weak as it's ever been. Vardy will be licking his lips to play City.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #796 on: November 11, 2019, 10:45:32 AM »
Just looking at our fixtures. I think our crucial period is the tough period after Christmas when we come back from the Club World cup.

We really have to be taking close to maximum points from the next five:-

These next 6 games are huge for us;

Palace (A)
Brighton
Everton
Bournemouth (A)
Watford

Our run after the club world cup is very difficult and comes in the what is normally our worst time of year.

Leicester (A)
Wolves
Sheff Utd
Spurs (A)
Man Utd
Wolves (A)

I think that run will really determine where we are come the end of the season. We may have West Ham away thrown in there too.

After this we don't really have a difficult run of games until the last 3. I really don't want it to be close with Arsenal away and Chelsea at home in the last 3 games.

Anyway lets win at Palace and go from there. If we win that then we will be 11 points clear of Chelsea and 12 points ahead of City before they play each other. There will be massive pressure on them.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #797 on: November 11, 2019, 11:14:52 AM »
I’d still rather a Chelsea win I think. The more points City drop (and sooner), the better.
Totally agree. Their maximum is now 103, which should be our target until they hopefully drop some more points.

At least we now know that in the head to head v City the worst outcome is that it will be neutral. Whereas last season arguably the head to heads decided it in their favour.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #798 on: November 11, 2019, 11:23:08 AM »
Totally agree. Their maximum is now 103, which should be our target until they hopefully drop some more points.

At least we now know that in the head to head v City the worst outcome is that it will be neutral. Whereas last season arguably the head to heads decided it in their favour.

Mad that. They’d have to win 24, draw one and lose one to match last season’s points tally from here.

They know they can’t afford to put a foot wrong. We’re actually 6 points up in corresponding fixtures from last year too although that said, given we won so many it’s clearly more likely that we’ll drop points in games we won last season than vice versa. Still, it’s looking likely a lower tota will be needed to win the league this year. We should still aim for around 95 but depending how things we go I think anywhere north of 90 is likely to be enough.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #799 on: November 11, 2019, 11:26:49 AM »
All this talk about being top of the league and reaching some fabled 103 points.

What a bunch of rubbish.

We are only three wins away from being mathematically safe from relegation.

Historically speaking of course.
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