Topic: The BBC

[Rawkybalboa]

People on here think its ok coz its not breaking the law. Its ok for some. I have different reactions when others do it. In any event its wrong. She could be his daughters friend an people will say so what its not breaking the law. Also the latest allegations are the BBC yet still people up Huws arse

[Kashinoda]

The Sun, on their front page, printed that Huw paid £35,000 for child pornography.

It really doesn't matter if you agree with the porn tastes of a 60 year old man or not, does it?

Hope he sues the living shit out of them.

[thejbs]

No. Only his wife has made any statement which is what I’m going off and why I commented in this thread today. His own wife in her statement did absolutely nothing to say the allegations are FALSE as far as I’m concerned. She has just referenced his mental health. If that’s me, I want my wife to be absolutely clear in her statement that I’ve had NO contact with anyone and we’ll be seeking damages against the scum, not talk about my fucking mental health. We wait to hear what Edwards himself says if he does say anything.

IF it does turn out he’s been messaging teenagers (explicitly or not) then I’m sorry but what on earth is a 60 year old man doing that for? That is insane.

The young person in question said the claims are rubbish. The police say there’s been no criminality. And the Sun are changing their tune on what they reported and why they reported it. Why are you sidestepping those things?

If this is, as has been suggested, a case of Edwards paying for Only Fans access with a young man or woman, then there is nothing actually to answer for. Consenting adults are participating in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

If evidence of actual illegality or systematic harassment comes out, then that is different. But right now, it’s the fucking Sun, so little credence should be given.

Being hospitalised for mental health issues is serious. It’s not something you do for convenience.

[west_london_red]

The young person in question said the claims are rubbish. The police say there’s been no criminality. And the Sun are changing their tune on what they reported and why they reported it. Why are you sidestepping those things?

If this is, as has been suggested, a case of Edwards paying for Only Fans access with a young man or woman, then there is nothing actually to answer for. Consenting adults are participating in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

If evidence of actual illegality or systematic harassment comes out, then that is different. But right now, it’s the fucking Sun, so little credence should be given.

Being hospitalised for mental health issues is serious. It’s not something you do for convenience.

The other thing to add here which to me is very relevant is that Edwards is a TV presenter, his job is to read an auto-queue, that’s it. This isn’t a politician or religious or moral leader or someone whose been preaching one kind of lifestyle and telling us how to live our own but living a completely different one himself such that you can throw the hypocrisy angle at him either. He doesn’t tell us how we should live our lives so we should let him live his own.

[Jiminy Cricket]

The other thing to add here which to me is very relevant is that Edwards is a TV presenter, his job is to read an auto-queue, that’s it. This isn’t a politician or religious or moral leader or someone whose been preaching one kind of lifestyle and telling us how to live our own but living a completely different one himself such that you can throw the hypocrisy angle at him either. He doesn’t tell us how we should live our lives so we should let him live his own.

Unless it has been mentioned and I've missed it, one point I've wished to state since it became reasonably apparent (but before it was confirmed) that the presenter in question is Huw Edwards is that as a news presenter, the BBC had no option but to suspend him as soon as the allegations became public (or the BBC anticipated them becoming public). Just speculating here,* but maybe the only reason Edwards was suspended is because they could not have a news presenter presenting news which directly involved the presenter.

* Maybe it is already obvious to you all - I'm outside of the UK so am only aware of a filtered version of UK news.

[Red Beret]

People do things that aren't illegal but immoral all the time - finding tax loopholes for example.

It's up in the air as to whether this is as far as it goes with Edwards or whether there is more to come out and he's done things more nefarious. We also don't know if he's always been like this, or whether this was some kind of coping mechanism for his deteriorating mental health.

People are too quick to pick a side and then judge the other side for picking theirs. All we know is that no laws were broken, and in a similar fashion to Philip Schofield, a man's reputation has been publicly burned at the stake. The difference is that Edwards was already in a vulnerable state, and now he's in a mental health hospital as a result.

So far here, all I see are victims on all sides, and only one perpetrator. The Scum Rag.

No. Only his wife has made any statement which is what I’m going off and why I commented in this thread today. His own wife in her statement did absolutely nothing to say the allegations are FALSE as far as I’m concerned. She has just referenced his mental health. If that’s me, I want my wife to be absolutely clear in her statement that I’ve had NO contact with anyone and we’ll be seeking damages against the scum, not talk about my fucking mental health. We wait to hear what Edwards himself says if he does say anything.

IF it does turn out he’s been messaging teenagers (explicitly or not) then I’m sorry but what on earth is a 60 year old man doing that for? That is insane.

I think it's a perfectly reasonable statement. It deals with the moment, and Edwards' family's priority now is him and his mental health.  She doesn't have to address the issue if she doesn't want to. They have plenty of time to talk about suing the arse out of the The Rag, but she's probably not interested in that right now. Litigation will probably take years in any case.

Just because you would do things differently doesn't mean that Vicky Find has done anything wrong. A failure to deny is not confirmation by omission, and she doesn't have to be bombastic and threatening legal action if she doesn't want to. Her husband's in the bloody hospital ffs. Suing the rag is probably the last thing on her mind.

She can and should leave such statements to the family's lawyer, when they get around to hiring one.

[thejbs]

I know a couple of people who have only fans accounts. They’re using it to put themselves through college. They wouldn’t have to do so if our country supported its young people well enough and had free college education. Where’s the moral outrage about how our government is failing children and young adults? Both those at home and those arriving in boats?

I never have used the site and it holds no interest for me, but I’ll not go moralising about it.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Fuck the scum liars.
Heres the BBC allegations. Poor Huw, mental health
an all that.

• The BBC also said on Wednesday that Edwards was facing further allegations of "inappropriate behaviour" towards colleagues.

They include claims that he sent "suggestive" messages earlier this year to another member of staff about their appearance - which made them feel uncomfortable.

BBC Newsnight said it had also spoken to one current and one former BBC worker who both allegedly received "inappropriate" messages, including communications sent late at night.

Nasty piece of work to his colleagues too. Also wifey cant be too pleased. Lets hope he sorts his bad habits out. Nobody no angel

You're despicable

I tend to agree but I can only hear Daffy Duck

'Despicable' is a great word. I like it!

Perhaps Rawkybalboa dreams of those heady days when there was a (self-proclaimed) Witchfinder General. Burn, Huw Edwards. Burn!

[Craig S]

If you are (allegedly) paying a 17 year old for nudes, that is wrong’un behaviour mate, just like Phillip Schofield it’s indefensible. Fuck what the police say about “criminality”.

Are you thick? The police have said there is no criminality. So this cannot be true can it? As that it illegal.

The young person in question have said it is not true, the police have. But you continue to choose to believe the lies of the Sun. Utterly disgusting, some on here.

[Craig S]

'Despicable' is a great word. I like it!

Perhaps Rawkybalboa dreams of those heady days when there was a (self-proclaimed) Witchfinder General. Burn, Huw Edwards. Burn!

I think some of the head shots by Drago where a lot harder than anyone has previously realised.

[Red-Soldier]

I know a couple of people who have only fans accounts. They’re using it to put themselves through college. They wouldn’t have to do so if our country supported its young people well enough and had free college education. Where’s the moral outrage about how our government is failing children and young adults? Both those at home and those arriving in boats?

I never have used the site and it holds no interest for me, but I’ll not go moralising about it.

I knew some who used it at uni too, for the same reasons you wrote.

[ToneLa]

Where’s the moral outrage about how our government is failing children and young adults? Both those at home and those arriving in boats?

I wish this was more of a headline than like what's on the BBC front page today

'Disruption for patients as junior doctors strike' = yes but why are they striking

"BBC to resume enquiry and the S*n faces questions" = uhhh the BBC is also facing serious fucking questions

"woman with 50k savings still can't buy house" = my heart bleeds, she wants a 200k gaff, what about all the homeless... I think there's a scandal there but could be worse

'Taylor Swift fan says her vinyl record is' cursed'' = pass the drugs, I want to imagine bullshit like this

I think the Beeb needs a serious overhaul and it's clearly in bed with the government

This latest scandal - though I am in favour of a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty - is another bullet.

[CheshireDave]

"woman with 50k savings still can't buy house" = my heart bleeds, she wants a 200k gaff, what about all the homeless?

The article makes out she has saved up 50 grand. I want to know how a 24 year old earning about £1600 a month whilst paying £775 in rent a month excluding bills manages to save up 50 grand!

[Kenny's Jacket]

The article makes out she has saved up 50 grand. I want to know how a 24 year old earning about £1600 a month whilst paying £775 in rent a month excluding bills manages to save up 50 grand!

Freya said some support from family meant she was able get her own deposit,

Im guessing inheritance

[Dr. Beaker]

At what point do the Sun's readership decide that they no longer want to give this organisation their money?

[Snail]

I know a couple of people who have only fans accounts. They’re using it to put themselves through college. They wouldn’t have to do so if our country supported its young people well enough and had free college education. Where’s the moral outrage about how our government is failing children and young adults? Both those at home and those arriving in boats?

I never have used the site and it holds no interest for me, but I’ll not go moralising about it.

I’ve got mates who do it too. They’ve got a lot more money than me

[RJH]

'Despicable' is a great word. I like it!

Perhaps Rawkybalboa dreams of those heady days when there was a (self-proclaimed) Witchfinder General. Burn, Huw Edwards. Burn!

What he wants is Monkey Dust's Paedo-finder General: "By the powers invested in me by News International I pronounce you Guilty of paedophilia"

[CornerFlag]

This would barely make a story in Take a Break if Huw Edwards wasn't as famous as he is.

And I won't be taking moral advice from anyone who used to pay 16-year-olds to get their tits out in their rag either.  You can debate the morality of Edwards' behaviour until the cows come home, I personally couldn't give two shiny shites.  It's his life, if he's fucked it then he's fucked it and will likely feel the fallout from it, as evidenced by the treatment he's receiving for his mental health.  It's not my business in as much as it's not my business that the married guy over the road from me was knobbing his next-door neighbour.  We give too much of a shit about other people's personal lives to the point we push them to the brink and beyond.  It's vile.

[Barneylfc∗]

I wish this was more of a headline than like what's on the BBC front page today

'Disruption for patients as junior doctors strike' = yes but why are they striking

"BBC to resume enquiry and the S*n faces questions" = uhhh the BBC is also facing serious fucking questions

"woman with 50k savings still can't buy house" = my heart bleeds, she wants a 200k gaff, what about all the homeless... I think there's a scandal there but could be worse

'Taylor Swift fan says her vinyl record is' cursed'' = pass the drugs, I want to imagine bullshit like this

I think the Beeb needs a serious overhaul and it's clearly in bed with the government

This latest scandal - though I am in favour of a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty - is another bullet.

Isn't funny how all the stories like this in the media are literally always these poor unfortunate fuckers that have been handed a few thousand by family.
I've never ever read a single article that tell of the struggles of a working class young person that has properly worked hard and saved a sum of money on their own but are struggling like fuck.

[CheshireDave]

Im guessing inheritance

I just don't get the point of the article. Are we supposed to feel sorry for someone who was gifted 50 grand? She isn't the norm. Far from it. Most people who have worked all their life don't have 50 grand in savings.

[rob1966]

I just don't get the point of the article. Are we supposed to feel sorry for someone who was gifted 50 grand? She isn't the norm. Far from it. Most people who have worked all their life don't have 50 grand in savings.

Look beyond the fact that she has been gifted £50k, it's pointing out that even with £50k savings, she still can't afford an average house, that's the main story. My kids will have about £30k each towards a deposit and even with that amount of assistance, they won't be able to afford to buy a house locally, our 2 bed semi is around £300k now, so how the hell are kids who aren't as lucky as ours supposed to ever buy a house/flat?

[Kenny's Jacket]

I just don't get the point of the article. Are we supposed to feel sorry for someone who was gifted 50 grand? She isn't the norm. Far from it. Most people who have worked all their life don't have 50 grand in savings.

Im guessing that the point is, even if youve got £50k, you still cant buy a house on a normal salary
Therefore its impossible for normal people.

[lobsterboy]

At what point do the Sun's readership decide that they no longer want to give this organisation their money?

Probably when the Sun tells them not to...

[lobsterboy]

People on here think its ok coz its not breaking the law. Its ok for some. I have different reactions when others do it. In any event its wrong. She could be his daughters friend an people will say so what its not breaking the law. Also the latest allegations are the BBC yet still people up Huws arse

Definitely taken one punch too many.

[CheshireDave]

Im guessing that the point is, even if youve got £50k, you still cant buy a house on a normal salary

That's just not true. There are plenty of 3 bed places in Cardiff for £250,000. If she put down her 50 grand deposit she could get a 30 year mortgage on the rest paying back about £1000 a month. Also, most people who buy a house do so as a couple and therefore they'd likely be two salaries. Of course, there is a housing crisis nationally and lack of suitable affordable rental properties and not so many first time buyer homes. But to make out someone with 50 grand in the bank and by her own admission a well-paid job can’t afford to purchase a house in Cardiff is not factual.

[Kenny's Jacket]

More Mary Whitehouse than Balboa

[lobsterboy]

Meanwhile it looks like GB News have been busy covering up former Sun employee Dan Woottons dodgy behaviour towards young male staff.
Lets see the outrage about that in the Sun and Mail.

[west_london_red]

That's just not true. There are plenty of 3 bed places in Cardiff for £250,000. If she put down her 50 grand deposit she could get a 30 year mortgage on the rest paying back about £1000 a month. Also, most people who buy a house do so as a couple and therefore they'd likely be two salaries. Of course, there is a housing crisis nationally and lack of suitable affordable rental properties and not so many first time buyer homes. But to make out someone with 50 grand in the bank and by her own admission a well-paid job can’t afford to purchase a house in Cardiff is not factual.

No bank is going to lend her £200k when the repayments is £1000 a month on a £1600 wage, that’s 2/3 and she still needs to pay council tax, bills etc

[Black Bull Nova]

Being hospitalised for mental health issues is serious. It’s not something you do for convenience.

Let's be clear, he's an inpatient because he's at risk

[Red Beret]

Let's be clear, he's an inpatient because he's at risk

And we all know what "at risk" means.

I've got several friends who have had to be an mental health inpatient for various reasons, some several times. I've visited them, and it's not fun.

[Qston]

Let's be clear, he's an inpatient because he's at risk

And it should not be forgotten that people with severe mental health issues can do things that the rest of us would not consider 'normal' (whatever normal is). I have close family members who have suffered with severe mental health issues and have done things that I find very difficult to accept - but things are never black and white. There are whole shades of grey in between, and it is impossible to put yourself in their state of mind when they did things that we would not.

I find some of the posts on here, and one poster in particular, to have ill thought out comments about a current news story that none of us know the truth about. What we do know is that at present there is no evidence of a criminal offence.

[Dr. Beaker]

I just don’t get why, as a nation, we are so eager to have our emotions toyed with by the media. Are we such a sad soulless bunch that we forge (in both senses) emotional relationships with people on the television who can, on demand, burst into tears watching someone dance, or sing some crappy pop music jingle.  Has the love of money replaced, genuine humanity to such a degree that this is as close as it gets? Well even a miserable auld bastard like me doesn’t think it’s that bad – we all love our wives/hubbies and kids, after all. But we all (well obviously not us lot) jump into line for the manufactured emotional dramas set before us.

Now we are metaphorically hugging our photos of Huw, plaintively wailing as the hearse bears the coffin of his paparazzi slain media career past us. But we don’t know these people. We don’t love them (apart from the odd nostalgic Taff). He just read the news – that’s all! I’m more likely to fall in love with the voice on me SatNav.

Has he broken any laws - probably not. Has he behaved impeccably - probably not. This is a major dilemma for a binary universe of emotionally undernourished tv fodder. God knows what his wife and kids are going through. Huw is probably a write-off, whoever he is.

[Kenny's Jacket]

That's just not true. There are plenty of 3 bed places in Cardiff for £250,000. If she put down her 50 grand deposit she could get a 30 year mortgage on the rest paying back about £1000 a month. Also, most people who buy a house do so as a couple and therefore they'd likely be two salaries. Of course, there is a housing crisis nationally and lack of suitable affordable rental properties and not so many first time buyer homes. But to make out someone with 50 grand in the bank and by her own admission a well-paid job can’t afford to purchase a house in Cardiff is not factual.

A £1000/m on a normal salary 

[west_london_red]

A £1000/m on a normal salary 

Exactly, a bank will lend up to repayments of about 35% of your take home pay at the max, a £1000 for her is about 65%.

[Yorkykopite]

I just don’t get why, as a nation, we are so eager to have our emotions toyed with by the media. Are we such a sad soulless bunch that we forge (in both senses) emotional relationships with people on the television who can, on demand, burst into tears watching someone dance, or sing some crappy pop music jingle.  Has the love of money replaced, genuine humanity to such a degree that this is as close as it gets? Well even a miserable auld bastard like me doesn’t think it’s that bad – we all love our wives/hubbies and kids, after all. But we all (well obviously not us lot) jump into line for the manufactured emotional dramas set before us.

Now we are metaphorically hugging our photos of Huw, plaintively wailing as the hearse bears the coffin of his paparazzi slain media career past us. But we don’t know these people. We don’t love them (apart from the odd nostalgic Taff). He just read the news – that’s all! I’m more likely to fall in love with the voice on me SatNav.

Has he broken any laws - probably not. Has he behaved impeccably - probably not. This is a major dilemma for a binary universe of emotionally undernourished tv fodder. God knows what his wife and kids are going through. Huw is probably a write-off, whoever he is.

Would you feel differently if this was Robert Dougall we were talking about?

[Dr. Beaker]

Would you feel differently if this was Robert Dougall we were talking about?

I would have eloped with the SatNav long before forging any feelings for Robert Dougall.

[thaddeus]

Exactly, a bank will lend up to repayments of about 35% of your take home pay at the max, a £1000 for her is about 65%.

I find most property stories on the BBC website a bit eyeroll inducing as it's generally some massive outlier of a person in their 20s that is mortgage free and living the life of Riley.  Those articles never really explain how properly how the scenario came about.

The article today is a great example of how broken the property market is.  Even with a massive helping hand from her parents and full-time employment she still can't buy.  Whilst a £250k property sounds extravagant that's £50k below the average house price for Cardiff.  She's apparently paying £775/month for a one-bed flat with nothing included so it gives a reasonable sense of the property market in Cardiff!

I guess the answer for her is that she either needs to buy with somebody else or get a higher paying job.  It's not really a scalable solution though across a whole population!

[Wabaloolah]

I find most property stories on the BBC website a bit eyeroll inducing as it's generally some massive outlier of a person in their 20s that is mortgage free and living the life of Riley.  Those articles never really explain how properly how the scenario came about.

The article today is a great example of how broken the property market is.  Even with a massive helping hand from her parents and full-time employment she still can't buy.  Whilst a £250k property sounds extravagant that's £50k below the average house price for Cardiff.  She's apparently paying £775/month for a one-bed flat with nothing included so it gives a reasonable sense of the property market in Cardiff!

I guess the answer for her is that she either needs to buy with somebody else or get a higher paying job.  It's not really a scalable solution though across a whole population!

there's plenty of houses outside of Cardiff that she could afford easily with a £50k deposit.

My lad bought a 2 bedroom renovated terrace house about 20 miles north of Cardiff for £105,000 18 months ago, he needed help for the deposit from his grandparents and us but his deposit was nowhere near £50k

[Wabaloolah]

John Simpson has it spot on

Imagine how Edwards must be feeling - colleague
John Simpson, the BBC’s world affairs editor has speaking to Jeremy Vine on BBC Radio 2. He says wants the “book to be closed” on the matter.

“Can you imagine the fall from grace of somebody like that - from being a hero to millions of people, and then the next moment to be reviled in the way that Huw has been? Imagine the effect on his family or his children, on his wife, or mother?”, he asks.

Simpson goes on to say he believes that the coverage from other parts of the press “feeds into a concerted political campaign in this country against the BBC".

He adds: "It's encouraged by the Murdoch newspapers, by The Telegraph and the Mail group, they want to see effectively the end of the BBC, they want to see it destroyed.”

[Titi Camara]

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