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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #240 on: November 11, 2019, 03:39:08 pm »
Just read it before it was deleted but that sounds absolutely grim. The key is to cut off all contact with them, they just seem so toxic and also quite racist. The less your partner interacts with them the better. All they're going to do now is spread bad word about you both, since they've told her auntie they will turn everyone against you. I think it's done, there's no way back from this.

Oh and rest assured we are not asking for an update merely for our entertainment. We are genuinely concerned because this kind of situation is harmful to your health, it can potentially send some people into a deep depression, speaking from experience.

Did Butchers reply since Graeme asked for an update?
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #241 on: November 11, 2019, 03:40:58 pm »
Did Butchers reply since Graeme asked for an update?

Yeah, he posted a lengthy update but seems he's deleted it.

Nothing in it you wouldn't expect given how her parents were acting. Chin up Butcher, seems you and your partner are doing well together so fuck them.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #242 on: November 11, 2019, 03:52:26 pm »
Yeah, he posted a lengthy update but seems he's deleted it.

Nothing in it you wouldn't expect given how her parents were acting. Chin up Butcher, seems you and your partner are doing well together so fuck them.

Has she managed to get away from their poisonous influences then? Looks like things are going good for them, which is good news seeing how bad it looked.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #243 on: November 12, 2019, 09:20:39 am »
Yeh sorry guys, just deleted it as it was stressing me out thinking about it. If anyone knows a way to recover messages I'll post it again.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #244 on: November 13, 2019, 11:09:54 pm »
Yeh sorry guys, just deleted it as it was stressing me out thinking about it. If anyone knows a way to recover messages I'll post it again.
I've just pm'd it to you mate, let me know if you want me to restore it or you can post it.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #245 on: November 26, 2019, 06:20:53 pm »
Here's the original post - sorry for the delay, I've not been around:

Hi all, I wasn't going to post anything further; I'm not sure there's anything new to be learned really, and I feel (perhaps wrongly) that me talking about it is becoming a bit comedic for some. I find it difficult to really talk about now to be honest, it gives me the shakes/gets me down.

I've not seen them since the discussion and their subsequent storm out in June. When we last saw them, we made it clear that we didn't think the way we were being treated was ok, but if they want to re-consider their position, the door is always open. My partner left things to cool down over the summer in the hope that they would re evaluate how they've been acting, but they haven't so far. Since then the Mother has just done petty things, like on their extended family Facebook page, when sending birthday wishes etc, written 'love from x y and z' but omitted my partners name (for clarity, my partner showed me this because she was upset about it).

Other stuff.. partner was unsure what to do about her Dad's birthday in September/asked what I thought. She said she didn't think it was fair for her family to expect her to go round on her own and make nice for the day given how they've treated us, and she has also been giving the silent treatment by all of them since the last meeting. She anticipated they'd also spend the time criticizing her/our relationship/me, and then when it would inevitably escalate, and she'd get blamed for 'ruining' her Dad's birthday, and she didn't want a scenario where she has to visit them on her own. She did want to get him a present. I said that if she wants to buy something, I'd consider sending it in the post (wrapped up still) to avoid any conflict, easy solution. She said she didn't want to do that, and would probably leave it in their porch on the way to work so there wouldn't be any opportunity to get drawn into anything. She said if she posted it she'd be getting criticized by them on the day for doing that. I said it it was up to her, but I thought she'd be in the wrong whatever she did. We both signed the card (I thought it better to be passive about the whole thing rather than make a point and not sign it myself, I didn't want to provide any cause for outrage). Long story short (story relayed by my partner) she went round with it early doors, her sister immediately came storming out of the house and kicked off/slanging match in the street, said that the present wasn't welcome/how dare she buy a present for Daddy, she's abandoned the family, "Mummy and Daddy could have died for all she knew". Partner said that the sister didn't know what had gone on, she wasn't there, and that she hasn't heard from her for months, why hadn't she at least sent her a message of support/to see if she was ok, why is all the onus on her (my partner) every time? The sister apparently replied that she had "thought about it (reaching out)" but ultimately just had a bit of a blank look on her face. The sister ended up hitting my partner and storming back into the house. So yeh, partner phones me in tears.She said she got a text from her Dad that night saying thanks for the present, and "I was hoping I would see you.." My partner replied that she was happy he liked the present, but it was strange that he'd expected to see her given how he and her Mum behaved and what they said to us the last time she saw them, that they stormed out of her house, said that I wasn't welcome, and she's not had any further communication from them since. She said that we were getting on building a life together, that we hoped they were well, and that we said that the door was always open should they reconsider their position, and that that remained the case. She showed me what she sent later and it was all written in very neutral/non confrontational language. She said she didn't get a reply.

My partners birthday a few days later, a couple of small presents from her family get stuffed through the door in brown envelopes. She doesn't get a card from her Auntie (they've been quite close in the past), she said this wasn't by accident as she always sent one, so the auntie isn't speaking to her now either. The auntie was actually alright whenever I met her, I could do basics like call her her name, chat to her etc, she seemed pretty easy to get on with. So yeh, partner is then upset on her own birthday too.She says she can't understand why her family don't love her enough to "get over themselves" and to swallow their pride, that they have unrealistic expectations for how adults should interact with them in the modern world, and that she feels embarrassed by how they behave. She can't understand how they can just cut her out of their lives, like she doesn't exist, and how everything is seen as her fault. (She's since told me that her Mum has given her ultimatums in the past about if she did x y or z, she'd never speak to her again, such as "bringing a (none white person) home" - wtf). She is hurt that her auntie has seemingly sided with the Mother, that her sister has done the same, that neither have reached out or offered any support to her before cutting her off, or even tried to understand our viewpoint. She says that her Mother would have expected her to go round and "fix it", so now she doesn't anticipate she'll ever hear from her again.

I find it staggering that they would treat her like this, although quite predictable from my interactions with them. Looking longer term, I don't want a potential situation where I can't communicate with in laws, it makes me sad to think this could be it as far as that goes for me, I've always got on well with ex's parents, it's been pretty easy. I don't know a lot of people in this town, it'd be nice to have some people in a family type scenario you could go round and have a chat to, cup of tea, dinner, whatever. I don't get why I'm seen as so abhorrent, it bothers me. It seems like a lot of effort for them to be this difficult, for no real reason. It'd be nice to sort it out, but I don't feel there is any way to move forward with them from my side, as I don't think "I can't be expected to think about what I say to people" and "you should be doing what I say, when I say it" and me not calling them mr and mrs x being "disgusting, no respect etc" are reasonable positions for them to take, and not viewpoints I can conform to.

Even though we haven't seen them for months, the whole situation just haunts me to be honest, on a daily basis, and puts strain on the relationship, as my partner is sad about it, and I have my own feelings that I've gone through on here. It's like grief in the relationship, I guess. Our time has been filled with weekends away, planning a holiday, going out, seeing friends, just keeping busy. I don't know what else we/I/she can do really. Partner has been seeing a counsillor - she suggested it, and seems to get something out of it, in terms of someone neutral to talk to, and some perspective on it from a professional, and bit of strength and self worth. She told me that the counsillor suggested that my partner is the one playing the parent role, with her Mum and Dad behaving like the children. So yeh. That's it really.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #246 on: November 26, 2019, 09:03:21 pm »
Just keep moving on with your life as best you can mate, no amount of effort on your part would make them appreciate you, it sounds like there would always be something that they would pick at.

Not a pleasant situation for your partner either, they are showing their true colours with regards to her, maybe they come around at some point? Maybe not. Maybe it takes a significant event for it to change. 

Hopefully the counsellor will continue to be a positive aspect for your partner, as someone on the outside with no emotional attachment to the situation.

Chin up mate, hopefully you guys can continue to be happy.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #247 on: November 26, 2019, 09:34:36 pm »
They are very fucked up people.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #248 on: November 27, 2019, 02:01:47 am »
You're both doing exactly the right thing mate, and although its a terrible cliché; time is a great healer.

The situation will get easier as time goes on - people move on from horrible situations like this eventually.

And tell her not to worry about the Auntie, or any of the other fucked up relatives who may "take their side". I've learnt from my own experience that a lie can circle the earth twice before the truth has put its shoes on. Anyone they speak to isn't going to be told that they are childish sociopaths - oh no, it all be your partners fault, and they'll concoct stories to fit that narrative. Any relative who knows your partner well, but still chooses to believe that shite without even checking in on her isn't worth wasting time on.

That's the view I've taken with my own parents and siblings. Almost 5 years since I spoke to any of them, and they can all get to fuck. It was horrendous and upsetting at first, but then that turns to anger, and then to pity for their weird sad behaviour and now its just blind indifference. They are not, and never will be any part of my life again. I hardly ever think of them now.

I just get on with life, focussing on my own kids and grandkids, and I have a boss life with them all, to be honest.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #249 on: November 27, 2019, 07:07:56 am »
Thanks for the update Butchers.

Good to see your girlfriend has managed to make space away from her family, they are a very toxic bunch and while it will be hard for her, for her own happiness and sanity, she needs them out of her life. As I said to my wife years ago, if that woman wasn't your Mum, no way would you ever have her as a part of your life or as a friend. Your gfs Mum sounds exactly like that, someone you wouldn't give the time of day to. That non white comment is disgusting too, when my kids grow up, all I want for them is they find someone who makes them happy, treats them right and doesn't try to change them - I expect them to do the same in return.

Sad you thought some on here were getting humour from your story. I for one was only giving my input, as I know from first hand experience what having a toxic mother in law is like and how the constant shit can affect you and I certainly didn't derive any humour from hearing what you are going through. As a parent I'm disgusted with hers, especially the mother.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #250 on: November 27, 2019, 01:22:04 pm »
I've read this thread so appreciate the update

Would add, I've definitely not got any comedy value from it, just sympathy for you and in particularly your partner.

I'm glad your still together and glad your on the same page and sticking to your guns.

Hoping for a happy ending but the onus is definitely on the family, I'm not sure you could or should have done anything differently.

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« Reply #251 on: December 9, 2019, 03:31:02 pm »
My partner is criticising me a lot at the moment for not 'committing' to the relationship, which she says is either getting engaged and/or committing to having children at some point in the not too distant, and keeps pushing for this. From my point of view, we've only been together just over a year, and given the situation with her parents, I think it would be pretty hasty and risky to do that, for both of us, and have said as much, and that some people are together for years before they get engaged. She says if I want to wait, I should find someone else.

She says I'm bitter about what's happened with her family and she was hoping I'd have thawed by now. I don't think I am bitter, I hope her Mother is well and happy, I just don't want that in my life, or to subject any potential children to that without some sort of recognition on her Mothers part of her behaviour and a firm commitment to change. I don't think it's sensible to go again with her Mother as it stands and hope for a different outcome when her Mother has directly said she doesn't need to change.  My partner thinks that sometimes you should just "jump in with both feet" in a relationship, and that the fact that I won't shows I don't love her. She says I don't support her in the situation with her parents (I don't agree), and that if I loved her, I'd be focusing on that alone, the situation with her parents shouldn't come into it. I think that's unfair and not the full picture.

Sorry, just venting. Pretty fed up with it all.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #252 on: December 9, 2019, 03:42:57 pm »
My partner is criticising me a lot at the moment for not 'committing' to the relationship, which she says is either getting engaged and/or committing to having children at some point in the not too distant, and keeps pushing for this. From my point of view, we've only been together just over a year, and given the situation with her parents, I think it would be pretty hasty and risky to do that, for both of us, and have said as much, and that some people are together for years before they get engaged. She says if I want to wait, I should find someone else.

She says I'm bitter about what's happened with her family and she was hoping I'd have thawed by now. I don't think I am bitter, I hope her Mother is well and happy, I just don't want that in my life, or to subject any potential children to that without some sort of recognition on her Mothers part of her behaviour and a firm commitment to change. I don't think it's sensible to go again with her Mother as it stands and hope for a different outcome when her Mother has directly said she doesn't need to change.  My partner thinks that sometimes you should just "jump in with both feet" in a relationship, and that the fact that I won't shows I don't love her. She says I don't support her in the situation with her parents (I don't agree), and that if I loved her, I'd be focusing on that alone, the situation with her parents shouldn't come into it. I think that's unfair and not the full picture.

Sorry, just venting. Pretty fed up with it all.

Do you mind disclosing what age you both are?
Her wanting to get engaged or commit to children in the near future after only being together a year is madness, and smacks of immaturity.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #253 on: December 9, 2019, 03:58:18 pm »
Mate, does it come across as a bit controlling or manipulative? If so, does that seem a bit familiar? Might be way off the mark there but it's the first thing that struck me. As in "know the woman, look at the mother."

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« Reply #254 on: December 9, 2019, 04:04:25 pm »
Do you mind disclosing what age you both are?
Her wanting to get engaged or commit to children in the near future after only being together a year is madness, and smacks of immaturity.
I was with my ex for 11 years before we got engaged. We split up 6 months later after she decided she wanted to ride other men. Getting engaged doesn't necessarily mean yous will be together until the end of time.

I'm mid 30's, her late 30's.

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« Reply #255 on: December 9, 2019, 04:07:49 pm »
I'm mid 30's, her late 30's.

Well there is a pretty obvious reason for (her) haste that might have nothing to do with everything else.

I`ve read most of this thread, but might have missed this, what do your family make of her families behaviour?
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« Reply #256 on: December 9, 2019, 04:08:31 pm »
I can see why she may be pushing that now you’ve said her age. Not that it makes it correct.

She may also be hoping that a show of intent like being engaged or kids would bring her parents back and make them change - which I highly doubt will happen.

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« Reply #257 on: December 9, 2019, 04:12:56 pm »
Well there is a pretty obvious reason for (her) haste that might have nothing to do with everything else.

Yeh, I understand that there's an element of the clock to it. She's always been very honest about that. I can't pretend I think it's a good idea though.

Re: my parents, my folks have never really been all that supportive/interested, my Mum in particular treats anything approaching emotional support as a bit of an imposition/leaves the room/puts the phone down, always has done, or would almost always side with the other party/start criticising me. I'd never go to my parents for advice on something like this.
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« Reply #258 on: December 9, 2019, 04:17:31 pm »
My partner is criticising me a lot at the moment for not 'committing' to the relationship, which she says is either getting engaged and/or committing to having children at some point in the not too distant, and keeps pushing for this. From my point of view, we've only been together just over a year, and given the situation with her parents, I think it would be pretty hasty and risky to do that, for both of us, and have said as much, and that some people are together for years before they get engaged. She says if I want to wait, I should find someone else.

She says I'm bitter about what's happened with her family and she was hoping I'd have thawed by now. I don't think I am bitter, I hope her Mother is well and happy, I just don't want that in my life, or to subject any potential children to that without some sort of recognition on her Mothers part of her behaviour and a firm commitment to change. I don't think it's sensible to go again with her Mother as it stands and hope for a different outcome when her Mother has directly said she doesn't need to change.  My partner thinks that sometimes you should just "jump in with both feet" in a relationship, and that the fact that I won't shows I don't love her. She says I don't support her in the situation with her parents (I don't agree), and that if I loved her, I'd be focusing on that alone, the situation with her parents shouldn't come into it. I think that's unfair and not the full picture.

Sorry, just venting. Pretty fed up with it all.

It sounds like your partner wants you to commit to the relationship as she's afraid she's losing contact with her family for a relationship that may not go anywhere. Despite her parents and sister sounding like complete arseholes they're still her family and it can't be easy for her, especially as they appear to have been manipulating her for a number of years. She might be reasoning with herself its worth cutting them off if she can see marriage and kids with you in the not too distant future. That's a bit like people who have a kid to try to repair a broken relationship. It never ends well.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #259 on: December 9, 2019, 04:23:41 pm »
It sounds like she’s done with her parents so she’s looking for something else to make up for it, which is commitment from yourself.

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« Reply #260 on: December 9, 2019, 04:29:23 pm »
It sounds like your partner wants you to commit to the relationship as she's afraid she's losing contact with her family for a relationship that may not go anywhere. Despite her parents and sister sounding like complete arseholes they're still her family and it can't be easy for her, especially as they appear to have been manipulating her for a number of years. She might be reasoning with herself its worth cutting them off if she can see marriage and kids with you in the not too distant future.

This bit is pretty much what I was going to say (the last bit of your post much less so!)

Butchers, those several months ago, you've basically given her a choice between your and your relationship, and her parents/family. Much as she is likely better off without the toxicity of her parents, it's a massive step she's taken. I don't think she's being unreasonable to expect a show of commitment from you. Would getting engaged be that much of a hardship to you, given it means so much to her?
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #261 on: December 9, 2019, 04:49:50 pm »
Agree with the statement above - her stepping away from her family is massive, no matter how damaging they were, and I think there is a little bit of fear creeping in now - she wants to be sure she is doing the right thing, and won't be left alone.

Would a promise ring be a sign of commitment for her? That the next step after that would be engagement, if things are still going well in a year or two?


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« Reply #262 on: December 9, 2019, 04:59:00 pm »
She didn’t take the step of distancing herself on condition of an engagement or baby, not sure throwing it into the mix now is at all fair of her if that’s what she is doing.

Surely Butcher sticking around with her and going all through this shite is a pretty big show of commitment. I’m not entirely sure demanding an engagement or more changes that, and nor should it be rushed into.

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« Reply #263 on: December 9, 2019, 05:43:14 pm »
My partner is criticising me a lot at the moment for not 'committing' to the relationship, which she says is either getting engaged and/or committing to having children at some point in the not too distant, and keeps pushing for this. From my point of view, we've only been together just over a year, and given the situation with her parents, I think it would be pretty hasty and risky to do that, for both of us, and have said as much, and that some people are together for years before they get engaged. She says if I want to wait, I should find someone else.

She says I'm bitter about what's happened with her family and she was hoping I'd have thawed by now. I don't think I am bitter, I hope her Mother is well and happy, I just don't want that in my life, or to subject any potential children to that without some sort of recognition on her Mothers part of her behaviour and a firm commitment to change. I don't think it's sensible to go again with her Mother as it stands and hope for a different outcome when her Mother has directly said she doesn't need to change.  My partner thinks that sometimes you should just "jump in with both feet" in a relationship, and that the fact that I won't shows I don't love her. She says I don't support her in the situation with her parents (I don't agree), and that if I loved her, I'd be focusing on that alone, the situation with her parents shouldn't come into it. I think that's unfair and not the full picture.

Sorry, just venting. Pretty fed up with it all.

This will freak you out, I went the Blackburn game 14th Oct 2006, nipped into town after to meet a friend in the First National and I got introduced to her mate. She was pissed and we got on, she decided she wanted a date, but the mutual friend had to come as she wasn't sure if it was the wine making her like me. Proper 1st date 2nd Nov, engaged 1st Jan, married September, knocked her up on honeymoon. Both late 30's so we had to get a move on. Two kids and 13 years later and somehow we are still together (hassle with her Ma and me being a miserable twat being the biggest issues). Two other mates had similar and have over 20 year marriages, so it can work.

Her age will make her want to get a move on, the older she gets the more risky the pregnancy will be. You have both gone through a lot of shit and I'll admit I'm surprised you are still together, but you are so there must be something very serious there.

However, if you don't think that she is the one you want to have kids with and spend the rest of your life with, then let her go. If you do want the family life with her, if you haven't already, then tell her so but be frank over your worries. She needs to be committed to the fact that her Ma won't be a part of the kids life, she is a toxic old twat and will be a fucking nightmare with the kid.

Agree with the others, she is probably scared that she has broken contact and also fell out with her sister and wants to know she has done it for something worthwhile.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #264 on: December 9, 2019, 09:26:14 pm »
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #265 on: December 10, 2019, 04:17:56 am »
Well I've heard from a bride with her wedding a few days away,  after being with and living together with her guy for multiple years... That she wished she was marrying a guy without knowing everything about him.  Dull,  no mystery,  just routine.

Another one did the homework,  four year relationship,  marriage,  kid,  but a number of years later 'he pays the bills'. 

People may think getting to know a person over years improves the odds of the future marriage working out but that is not necessarily the case from what I've seen and from the experiences of other posters here.

I'm siding more with your lady on this one.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #266 on: December 10, 2019, 06:25:32 am »
I mean you’re not using the biggest sample size there to be honest.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #267 on: December 10, 2019, 06:40:09 am »
Sure,  it was just anecdotal. 

There's probably more rigorous research on this issue.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #268 on: December 10, 2019, 07:29:03 am »
Sure,  it was just anecdotal. 

There's probably more rigorous research on this issue.

I'll be honest here, the married couples I know who are the happiest are the ones who jumped in feet first. The main thing though is that they still work at the marriages, keeping things going and this is the difference. Small sample size I know, but just what I see.

As I sort of stated last night, one thing that BD needs to think about, his lady has been abused by her Mother and probably has issues with trust and self belief. He's shown he is really into her by sticking around through all the shite, but I think she needs to know there is a future and a stability/security with him that she craves. Her focus needs to shift from the turmoil and to look towards a happy future in which her dreams are realised. Her Mum has already wrecked one marriage and her dream of a family with him and now that she is free of the woman, she needs that future.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #269 on: December 10, 2019, 09:35:22 am »
Fuck that, she's effectively blackmailing him into kids or an engagement. If she's late 30s then she'll want kids asap so an engagement wouldn't be the end of it and if she's willing to push for this now imagine what it'll be like in a year or 2. She sounds like she has a bit of her mother about her IMO. If you don't want either yet (which is understandable after a year) then I'd say so and if she wants to go and find it elsewhere then leave her be

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #270 on: December 10, 2019, 09:46:38 am »
Fuck that, she's effectively blackmailing him into kids or an engagement. If she's late 30s then she'll want kids asap so an engagement wouldn't be the end of it and if she's willing to push for this now imagine what it'll be like in a year or 2. She sounds like she has a bit of her mother about her IMO. If you don't want either yet (which is understandable after a year) then I'd say so and if she wants to go and find it elsewhere then leave her be

I think blackmailing is a strong word to use here without knowing all the facts. She's made a massive investment in this relationship by cutting off her family, I don't think it's unreasonable for her to expect some show of commitment on his part.

I'd also say that getting into a relationship with a woman in her mid to late 30s he must have had some expectations that marriage and kids would come up soon.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #271 on: December 10, 2019, 11:33:39 am »
Fuck that, she's effectively blackmailing him into kids or an engagement. If she's late 30s then she'll want kids asap so an engagement wouldn't be the end of it and if she's willing to push for this now imagine what it'll be like in a year or 2. She sounds like she has a bit of her mother about her IMO. If you don't want either yet (which is understandable after a year) then I'd say so and if she wants to go and find it elsewhere then leave her be

No, sorry, don't agree with that.  She is scared - scared about her future.  Totally understandable given what she has gone through with her family.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #272 on: December 10, 2019, 12:08:33 pm »
I also suspect that with a mother who insists of being called Mrs. X by her daughter's boyfriend, she's probably been brought up to believe that you should make a relationship 'official' in some way (basically, get married or you're living in sin).
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #273 on: December 10, 2019, 04:33:53 pm »
I think blackmailing is a strong word to use here without knowing all the facts. She's made a massive investment in this relationship by cutting off her family, I don't think it's unreasonable for her to expect some show of commitment on his part.

I'd also say that getting into a relationship with a woman in her mid to late 30s he must have had some expectations that marriage and kids would come up soon.

The fact he didn't bin her off immediately with her family issues should be commitment enough. I get she's older but anything that suggests that it's kids/marriage or leave me is a massive red flag in my eyes

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #274 on: April 6, 2020, 04:46:58 pm »
For anyone who's been following this and wants a break from thinking about Covid-19, thought I'd post a quick update:

We didn't see them at Christmas. We sent them a Christmas card, from both of us, and would have at least listened if they'd reached out, but got one back, just to my partner. She posted them some gifts. She then received some from them stuffed through the letterbox in brown envelopes. She got a message from her Mother on Christmas Day, wishing my partner a really happy Christmas, but not mention of me. Just transparent, petty stuff. My partner wanted to reply and ask them why I'd been left off, we live together etc, but I dissuaded her, suggesting it'd be better to mention it after Christmas as she'd probably get accused of 'ruining' Christmas or similar. She also had a card from her sister saying that she "hoped she could find her way back to them next year", which my partner got pretty annoyed about.

Partner has been going to see a therapist for maybe 6 months as she said she was struggling with it all. I haven't gone into it all with her, it's her therapist, but she has told me that the therapist was on the same page as us. She also said the therapist suggested writing them a letter as my partner felt she needed to put everything across from her point of view in a non argumentative way, highlight the reality of what had happened, and that she was owed an apology, and see whether they were capable of change, or whether she needed to move on with her life and try and accept the situation for what it is. I haven't read it, she showed it to the therapist and she said she thought it was a reasonable letter to send. She sent it, she said she didn't get any response.

In light of all the coronavirus stuff, I sent them a brief note myself last week saying that if they needed shopping/supplies etc, we would assist them. Just wrote their names on it, no Mr and Mrs X. My partner asked what I thought about offering as she was in two minds, and from my point of view I didn't think it'd be right to leave them high and dry if they were stuck, and it wouldn't have been nice for my partner especially if something happened to them as a result, you can't lose your humanity. I think both of us had been avoiding talking about it. We thought it might be better to try one from me rather than her, seeing as they hadn't replied to my partners and they've always painted me as the villain, it's just him with the problem etc. Got no reply.

My partner said she has had a message on Facebook from what she assumes is the sisters current boyfriend, saying they're all really upset and asking my partner to go round and work it out with them. Apparently it was sent around a month ago, before my partner sent them the letter, but she didn't notice it. Seems really odd how they employ other random people to send this stuff rather than just do it themselves. After sending the letter and not getting a reply, my partner seems of the opinion now that there's nothing more to say, it's been laid out plainly and the ball is in their court if they want to apologise. If not, see point A. I can only agree really.

It'd be a lot easier without the coronavirus worrying my partner in relation to them, I feel sorry for her, but she seems more comfortable with the situation these days, or as comfortable as you can be. I don't think there's anything more she could do really. We get our shopping once a week, either of us would have got theirs if they had asked/responded, but you can't forcibly do someones shopping for them. It's mental that they'd cut her out of their lives despite olive branches and opportunities,  rather than just acknowledge reality.

From my perspective, if this coronavirus pandemic has taught me anything, it's that life is too short to be pandering to people like them. My partner said this was her opportunity for closure, I hope she can stick with it, I know I can't do the same thing again and again and expect a different outcome.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #275 on: April 6, 2020, 05:31:22 pm »
I was following this thread while on holiday last year and, to be honest, what you've just said is no surprise.  Your partner is absolutely doing the right thing: letting them know that she's still there for them but keeping a distance.  If this goes on for more years they (her dad in particular) will regret this massively nearer the end of their lives.
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #276 on: April 6, 2020, 05:41:13 pm »
"Seems really odd how they employ other random people to send this stuff"

Nah not odd - that's bang on the script there. He's a pawn in this - hope he sees through it and doesn't get sucked in. If he does, then frankly he deserves it.

Well played by both of you. Stay strong. They're fuckin toxic. There's some really good literature out there about surviving toxic parents and breaking from co-dependent relationships :thumbup
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #277 on: April 6, 2020, 06:49:48 pm »
I'm not a qualified therapist or an expert in behavioural psychology, but the more this story unfolds, the more I can't help but feel that there's more to this than meets the eye.

From what you've told us, they're obviously stubborn, snobbish, autocratic and pretty set in their ways in terms of their world views. In short, they're both clearly c*nts

But there's more to this I feel. Beneath the stubborn snobbery, deep below the surface, there's another factor at play. What that is, I don't know. But there's definitely something odd about them in a creepy kind of way

Normal people don't cut their own children out of their lives because they don't approve of their lifestyles or life partners. That's Scientology level's of weirdness like

I'm not saying they're religious nuts or Fred and Rosemary West, but there's definitely a few skeletons in their closets
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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #278 on: April 7, 2020, 02:48:05 pm »
There comes a point where you start wondering if it's worth the effort you both are putting in? You've tried every trick in the book in trying to get them back on your side and they've told you to fuck off every single time, for no reason at all. They'll be on their deathbed about to die and even in that moment they'll tell you to fuck off. Like the post above says, I also feel there's something up with them. It's not normal behaviour and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried something on you.

How do you mean, tried something mate? Yeh, we're both not going any further with any reaching out etc. The stuff we've done was more to satisfy my partner that she's done everything she can and allow her to move forward with her life without any guilt over the situation. I think they've got serious mental issues.

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Re: Advice - partners parents
« Reply #279 on: April 7, 2020, 04:59:55 pm »
How do you mean, tried something mate?

My guess is if you and your partner continue with this relationship, then her parents will do their utmost to riddle both of you with as much guilt as they can before going to their graves. They seem like that type. They'd rather get one up on you and make you feel like it was you who was wrong all along - instead of making peace and cherishing what little time they have left with their daughters. If I was your partner I'd be bracing myself for being left fuck all in their wills and letters being left behind telling her how miserable she made them in their dying days

As I say mate, there's more to these 2 than meets the eye. This went far beyond stubbornness and snobbery a long time ago and from what you've told us, you aren't the first bloke to experience their nasty side. All the indicators point to this one ending terribly for your missus I'm afraid to say. Normal people don't behave like that. I'm sorry, but they just don't
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