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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13760 on: February 19, 2011, 07:27:17 AM »
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Under Dalglish the Reds have morphed into a 4-5-1 which becomes a 4-3-3 in attack (possibly in part, due to the influence of coach Steve Clark, who was at Chelsea when Mourinho used this system)



How are our two big winter signings going to operate?

Andy Carroll

We don't know what role Carrol will serve in this in look Liverpool side,  after all we have just signed on deadline day and Kenny hasn't had the chance of having a full preseason to prepare.

What I'm fairly certain is - Andy Carrol's role is going to not just assist Luis Suarez -no his role is going to have a bigger to play than most expect.

At Blackburn Dalglish used two mobile centre-forwards who were both good in the air, he had them playing alot more direct. He got them playing ball directly up to his center forwards for them to then knock them down for their strike partner or hold up so the attacking players can make their way forward and get involve in the attacking phase. It was Kenny Dalglish who signed Shearer from Southampton for £3.3 million, a new British record. Shearer was considered a risk and not worth that fee. The next season Shearer finishes top scorer in the league with 31 goals in 40 appearances. At his previous club Southampton scored a total of 23 goals from 118 appearances. Shearer was recently quoted as saying:

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"Kenny will work with him every single day and pass on tips that he passed on to myself."

"He's going there with a great manager who I'm sure will get the very best out of him."

"I'd spoken to Kenny many months ago, even before he was in at Liverpool, and spoken to him about the potential of Andy Carroll."

So it seems Dalglish, he has had his eyes set on him before he took the job, it wasn't a knee jerk signing to calm the fans down but signed for a reason and with a clearly marked role in the team -even though we don't know what that is yet... Dalglish did not sign Carrol out of desperation and him being the only option, like has be said to me anyway... yes Dalglish's head was turned by Carrol's performance against -we all were but that isn't the reason why he signed him for the amount, there were other reasons play.

I believe he's going be a big success and will profit off all the freekicks that Suarez will be winning -mainly due from desperation on the defenders behalf.

But is it even important how many goals Andy Carrol scores? I read this the other day...

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Managers around Europe have all come to accept the idea that your best players should be positioned on the flanks where there is more space to do damage.  The centre forward therefore has become constructive by being destructive.  Every time they drop back and draw men out of position they free up space for pouncing ‘wingers’. In last yen years the art of ‘finishing’ has been in decline.  Because ‘finishers’ are now concerned with tracking back, finding space or passing, the final act has become secondary.

I see Carrol given orders to drop deep, being used as a deep lying forward.... if so, why is that so hard to combat?

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One of the keys to tactical success is to break those patterns in a way that is advantageous; at its most basic level to overman in key zones.

If a centre-forward drops deep, he is moving away from the centrebacks who would naturally mark him. If the centre-back follows, he risks leaving space that can be exploited by wide players cutting in, or by midfielders coming from deep. But if he sits off, the deep-lying centre-forward has freedom, time and space either to pick his pass or to turn and run at a defence so he is arriving at the centreback at pace, which makes him far harder to stop.

I can see Carrol being a nightmare to mark, as we found out when we played against his old Newcastle. He's a big fella but can move when he needs to -he is 6 ft 5, it's seems people are at odds whether he's a porn star or belongs in the WWE... seriously though - playing as a deep lying center forward you generally have more freedom, time and space... the idea of him picking out a clever pass to say Suarez and co... winning loose balls sounds great and force the opposition to give up possession via important tackles, for example...



Newcastle 3-1 Liverpool: Liverpool unable to cope with aerial power of Carroll... by Guardian Chalkboards

"The main problem, though, was that Liverpool were simply unable to deal with Carroll. In open play he worked both centrebacks well, winning 17 of the 20 tackles he contested. Carroll created the first two goals by winning the ball in the air, but Liverpool also had problems with him on the ground."

This is Andy Carrol stats so far: 31 goals in 81 appearances for Newcastle... that's roughly 2.7 games per goal.

No matter what formation he going to be used as the perfect foil for Suarez.





Luis Suarez

"Luis is going to bring the place alive because he is a streetfighter," Van den Boog -Ajax managing director.

"My aim is to work, to show the fans how hard I am ready to work. I want to put in lots of effort, to show people my capabilities," Luis Suarez on signing for Liverpool.

"Dalglish is a manager and a person who I can relate to and he is very determined to make the team play with a certain image - the kind of attractive football that I want to be a part of."

"He was very keen to bring me here and if there is one person that was influential in my signing, it was him. He is very ambitious about the club and is confident he can lead the club back to the top. Now I am here, I do not want to disappoint him in any way."

Suarez on the influence Dalglish had on bring him to Liverpool. I heard it said that Suarez isn't a traditional striker nor center forward, even though he was claimed as the Europe's top scorer at one stage in 2009 (had his goals been worth more, it would have been Suarez and not Messi winning the European Golden Shoe that season, after scoring 35 goals in 49 appearances for Ajax)

At his time at Ajax they played 4-3-3 formation (like usual), Suarez showed he can play anywhere across the front 3. Not just there either, he played upfront in a 4-2-3-1 formation for Uruguay with Forlan tucked in behind him, on the right of Folan when Uruguay play 4-4-2 formation... basically anywhere inn the final third, and is at his best when out wide cutting in - more space out there than if he played centrally, also because he's a very tricky player and when you combine that with an attacking fullback -Suarez will be a masssive handful for any fullback, keeping him in his own half and due to the overlapping fullback you'll get central defenders getting pulled out of position... ohh aand  you'll get free space on the other flank due to the defence having to shuffle over to cover the central defender that go sucked out position. Happy days.

I recently read this, it's a few years old but interesting...

Ajax are still the flagship of the Dutch football. They still have swift ball circulation and in possession the enormous movement and dynamics of Suarez

That a complaint by many Liverpool fans over the last 5 years despite us beating teams like Real Madrid 4-0. Poor ball circulation in the final third and a lack of, off the ball movement.

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Suarez lead the statistics for the number of goals assists in the Eredivisie with 7 assists, making him responsible for 22 of the 35 goals Ajax has scored this season in the Dutch league.

His willingness to drop off in the attacking third and help re-cycle the ball before then moving back into dangerous positions in the final third is great, playing quick one, two's in process - players like Suarez are always looking to slide through the killer final ball, always trying something no matter how  many times it doesn't come off... also as much as he can be a deadly finisher, he's a versatile attacker who will often involve himself in link up play - he's a player who likes to attack the goal while facing it, rather than waiting for the ball. You can see that on the picture below...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKbyYG4ccU        Luis Suarez Vs Wigan Athletic (Home)

We have brought the of attacking player most Liverpool fans have thought we have for a long time. It's been said Suarez's game is very similar to Tevez, but when it comes to this part of Suarez's game -he is a bit more 'slick' operator... talking about operator's, I remember the quote about Riquelme when was playing he in Spain, it was a quote comparing him to a telephone switchboard and how everything goes through him - if Riquelme isn't operating properly and struggling to cope, so is his team... that won't be a problem for Suarez or him game but again playing Suarez as a wide forward, he won't have the pressure that playing in a central position can have - he won't have as much defensive duties out wide and more space not he really needs it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BifKi_dxxbs        Luis Suarez V Den Haag 27/09/2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qE0ncD5zWA    Luis Suarez V Roda JC 03.02.2010

I also like it that he is a aggressive and always looking for that edge on whoever our opponents are.




http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/02/01/alan-shearer-says-lfc-manager-kenny-dalglish-will-get-the-best-out-of-andy-carroll-100252-28092609/
http://www.jofh.co.uk/?page_id=129
http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=22968.0


http://liverpool.theoffside.com/premier-league/deconstructing-luis-suarez-v-wigan.html
http://www.totalbarca.com/2009/news/luis-suarez-is-europes-top-scorer/

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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13761 on: February 19, 2011, 07:31:36 AM »

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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13762 on: February 19, 2011, 12:33:47 PM »
"Mind you, I've been here during the bad times too - one year we came second." Sir Bob

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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13763 on: March 9, 2011, 04:09:07 PM »
Anybody got into Jonathan Wilson's book-a-zine The Blizzard? If Issue Zero is anything to go by, this will be outstanding stuff.

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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13764 on: March 10, 2011, 10:55:35 AM »
This thread's dead lads n lasses - best leave it be. It's open cos it's useful to quote stuff from it from time to time, but really, it's important we keep new content going on to the main board eh?

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Re: The (Level 3) Sanctuary
« Reply #13765 on: January 22, 2012, 03:57:05 AM »
Great stuff by everyone here. I'm reading through it again, up to about February 2009 (page 70-ish) and there are some high quality posts here. Especially in regards to the 08-09 season.
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Re: The Level 3 Thread
« Reply #13766 on: January 8, 2020, 10:39:58 AM »
Bumped for the purposes of a rewrite.