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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #560 on: March 31, 2020, 07:19:55 PM »
Watched it last night and loved it even if I had to read the subtitles !

The stat where he got 15 in a season in Italy doesnt sound brilliant but back then players got smashed to bits like Van Basten another brilliant centre forward who had the lot.

Italy had all the best players in that era and another stat I have seen Maldini/Baresi played 196 games together & let in 23 goals that is only FIVE goals a season.

I have no doubt Diego in this era would destroy teams and who knows how much better he could have been if he left Napoli abit earlier as his life was on a downward curve off the pitch.

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« Reply #561 on: March 31, 2020, 07:27:40 PM »
I have no doubt Diego in this era would destroy teams and who knows how much better he could have been if he left Napoli abit earlier as his life was on a downward curve off the pitch.
Thatís the great football unknowable that the film leaves us with isnít it.  But where could he have gone in, say, 1990?  Imagine heíd rocked up at Old Trafford for example, as if Cantona isnít enough of a nightmare.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #562 on: March 31, 2020, 07:35:21 PM »
Thatís the great football unknowable that the film leaves us with isnít it.  But where could he have gone in, say, 1990?  Imagine heíd rocked up at Old Trafford for example, as if Cantona isnít enough of a nightmare.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #563 on: March 31, 2020, 07:48:27 PM »
Thatís the great football unknowable that the film leaves us with isnít it.  But where could he have gone in, say, 1990?  Imagine heíd rocked up at Old Trafford for example, as if Cantona isnít enough of a nightmare.

Thankfully the last part didnt happen.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #564 on: March 31, 2020, 07:52:45 PM »
By 1990 he was snorting coke off Colombian supermodels arse cracks.  Not like he would've done much for them at the time.

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« Reply #565 on: March 31, 2020, 08:01:34 PM »
By 1990 he was snorting coke off Colombian supermodels arse cracks.  Not like he would've done much for them at the time.

That was such a shame, & in Italy he became public enemy no 1 after Argentina knocked Italy in the semi in Italy's own world cup, they were after him from then on & Maradona should have been wary of that, but he couldn't help himself.

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« Reply #566 on: March 31, 2020, 08:48:13 PM »
By 1990 he was snorting coke off Colombian supermodels arse cracks.  Not like he would've done much for them at the time.
I was going to say not much of that going on in Manchester at the time, but no doubt heídíve been straight down the HaÁ.

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« Reply #567 on: March 31, 2020, 10:40:22 PM »
Didn't he have an abnormally high range of rotational movement in his ankles? I'm sure I've read that somewhere.
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #568 on: Yesterday at 06:49:41 PM »
Ridiculous balance and strength. Unlike Messi he did it at the highest level i.e. World Cup. He carried the hopes of a football crazy nation on his shoulders. He drove an average Argentine side to win the World Cup in 1986. He also helped them reach the final in 1990. He propelled an unfashionable side like Napoli to win Serie A. He did all this at a time when players weren't afforded the protection the current generation take for granted. I imagine the pitches weren't as good either. Sensational player. One of a quartet of geniuses alongside Pele, Cryuff and Best.

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« Reply #569 on: Yesterday at 06:55:37 PM »
The champions league is the peak of football now to be honest, has been since around 2001/2002 I think
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« Reply #570 on: Yesterday at 07:02:59 PM »
Ridiculous balance and strength. Unlike Messi he did it at the highest level i.e. World Cup. He carried the hopes of a football crazy nation on his shoulders. He drove an average Argentine side to win the World Cup in 1986. He also helped them reach the final in 1990. He propelled an unfashionable side like Napoli to win Serie A. He did all this at a time when players weren't afforded the protection the current generation take for granted. I imagine the pitches weren't as good either. Sensational player. One of a quartet of geniuses alongside Pele, Cryuff and Best.
Messiís done alright at World Cups despite what everyone says.  Though yeah, very few have ever Maradonaíed one.

PS Best is the lottery winner in that quartet.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #571 on: Yesterday at 07:22:01 PM »
Messiís done alright at World Cups despite what everyone says.  Though yeah, very few have ever Maradonaíed one.

PS Best is the lottery winner in that quartet.

I'm taking it you believe George to be lucky to be the same league as Pele, Cryuff and Maradona. Ok he played for United but he truly was a genius. Yes his career effectively ended prematurely at the age of 26 but he was simply the most naturally gifted player to come from the UK and Ireland. Like the other three he played at a time when players weren't afforded protection on the field and the said field was not often of a high standard to play on.

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« Reply #572 on: Yesterday at 07:29:05 PM »
I'm taking it you believe George to be lucky to be the same league as Pele, Cryuff and Maradona. Ok he played for United but he truly was a genius. Yes his career effectively ended prematurely at the age of 26 but he was simply the most naturally gifted player to come from the UK and Ireland. Like the other three he played at a time when players weren't afforded protection on the field and the said field was not often of a high standard to play on.
I was half-joking because I tend to judge players by the height of their peak, so I actually am willing to stick Best in the top tier (in principle at least because I havenít seen that much of him) along with a few other wildcards like Baggio or Ronaldinho.

But in terms of accomplishments he doesnít belong with those three at all.  If anyone does, itís Zidane.

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« Reply #573 on: Yesterday at 07:36:15 PM »
I was half-joking because I tend to judge players by the height of their peak, so I actually am willing to stick Best in the top tier (in principle at least because I havenít seen that much of him) along with a few other wildcards like Baggio or Ronaldinho.

But in terms of accomplishments he doesnít belong with those three at all.  If anyone does, itís Zidane.

Would agree with you in terms of accomplishments. Zindane is slightly tainted for me over head butting Materazzi.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #574 on: Yesterday at 08:33:51 PM »
Thatís the great football unknowable that the film leaves us with isnít it.  But where could he have gone in, say, 1990?  Imagine heíd rocked up at Old Trafford for example, as if Cantona isnít enough of a nightmare.
i think in this day age players have their shit together far better (the amount of money probably helps), likes of maradona and best would be much greater players in this generation

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« Reply #575 on: Yesterday at 09:33:13 PM »
Thatís the great football unknowable that the film leaves us with isnít it.  But where could he have gone in, say, 1990?  Imagine heíd rocked up at Old Trafford for example, as if Cantona isnít enough of a nightmare.

I don't think anyone in England including United could have afforded him in 1990, even back then top first division players were only getting a couple of grand a week at most, Maradona's wages would have been astronomical well into 7 maybe 8 figures a season, also TV deals for the first division were nowhere near what they became from 92, think it was £3 million a season what ITV paid for the rights in 88

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« Reply #576 on: Yesterday at 10:09:49 PM »
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« Reply #577 on: Yesterday at 10:18:53 PM »
the 1990 world cup was close to ridiculous.. he had caniggia, brown and a couple of donkeys - and took them to the final..

always great to watch small chubby lads performing miracles..
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #578 on: Yesterday at 10:20:54 PM »
the 1990 world cup was close to ridiculous.. he had caniggia, brown and a couple of donkeys - and took them to the final..

always great to watch small chubby lads performing miracles..

I said exactly the same thing when I found out Capon had 6 kids.
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #579 on: Yesterday at 10:22:22 PM »
In 86 other than Ruggeri they had clowns and he took them all the way.  ;D

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« Reply #580 on: Yesterday at 10:27:51 PM »
things that stood out for me in the documentary:

-he was under alot of strain and pressure. they really focused in on that and is most likely why he started taking drugs. I doubt sports psychologists were the norm back then but he really needed one and it would have helped him immensely. if he was playing in the modern age then he would have that.
-His time at Napoli was magical but it was too much. Supporters were overbearing and obviously the mafia got their claws into him. Did the mafia contribute to his transfer fee i wonder? It seemed as if they thought they owned him.
-a lot is made of the hand of god goal but he got some kicking in that game. It was clear that the english players targeted him. People forget that when they label him a cheat.
-not specifically mentioned in the documentary but when comparing to messi you have to take into account the fact that he faced better defenders who got far more license from referees to do what they wanted. during his time in seria a he faced defenders likes Cabrini, Bergomi, Gentile, maldini, Scirea, baresi, costacurta, Brehme, Mattheus, vierchowod. also, he didnt play with the same calibre of team mate that messi has throughout his career. He really drove the teams he played in to another level .


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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #581 on: Yesterday at 10:28:41 PM »
In 86 other than Ruggeri they had clowns and he took them all the way.  ;D

valdano was no clown

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« Reply #582 on: Yesterday at 10:30:37 PM »
True and Brown as well to be fair.  :D

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« Reply #583 on: Yesterday at 10:54:05 PM »
I was half-joking because I tend to judge players by the height of their peak, so I actually am willing to stick Best in the top tier (in principle at least because I havenít seen that much of him) along with a few other wildcards like Baggio or Ronaldinho.

But in terms of accomplishments he doesnít belong with those three at all.  If anyone does, itís Zidane.
Agree with this, it gets a bit tricky a bit quickly. For example, Garrincha has been missed out and, well, he's a bit contemporary with Pele, plus, to a lot of people, he sort of Maradonaed 1962.

We draw the lines in a very fuzzy wobbly manner.

Now, I would agree with a Pele, Cruyff, Maradona thing at the top, but a lot of that, to me,  is the creation of a legend status that has an independence from anything absolutely provable.

With Pele, for example, 17yrs old, Brazil's first win, then 12 years later, 3rd win, and that Brazil performance in the final, the colour of that tournament on tv, and those Brazil shirts, I was just too young to see it, but you grew up with the images. It was what the World Cup was meant to be. I suppose it is the modern day equivalent of religious iconography. And those players, Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, are possibly the 3, to me, who have been the most portrayed in that manner.

Zidane is a good shout, too, and maybe Brazilian Ronaldo.
Yet somehow Di Stefano and Puskas get consistently missed.

And Messi.
Maybe it is 'the story' that really lifts a player's status right up to a god-like level.

And perhaps in 20 years people won't be comparing Best, Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, but perhaps Messi, Zidane, Ronaldo and someone else.

Maybe we'll all still be discussing it.  :)

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« Reply #584 on: Yesterday at 11:48:21 PM »
the 1990 world cup was close to ridiculous.. he had caniggia, brown and a couple of donkeys - and took them to the final..

always great to watch small chubby lads performing miracles..

How Argentina got that far in Italia 90 is ridiculous, they only won 2 games in regulation[& one of those was a group game against the old Soviet Union], had to rely getting through on penalties, & the final was a disgrace by both teams.

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« Reply #585 on: Today at 12:54:55 AM »
True and Brown as well to be fair.  :D

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #586 on: Today at 01:02:06 AM »
More a cross between SuŠrez and Gazza. But considerably better. Never seen a single player have more influence over any team, and he did it numerous times. Still prefer Pele, he played with better players but he was on a different level.

that's a good shout that. Young Gazza was boss wasn't he, obviously he was still a good player after his injury, even when overweight and on the ale he had his moments, but an un-injured 28 year old Gazza would have been something.

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« Reply #587 on: Today at 01:48:26 AM »
On the subject of the greats, when we were lads (I was born in 68) it was Pele, Cruyff and Beckenbauer.

I was too young to see them, but the names lived on, just wondered if anyone who saw Beckenbauer would have him up there? As you dont hear him mentioned that often.

Once I got older, it was Cruyff, for me, then Maradona came along.