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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #761 on: January 7, 2019, 01:15:01 AM »
Didn't the detroit red wings have an Abdulkadir? He was really good.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #762 on: January 7, 2019, 02:41:09 AM »
Didn't the detroit red wings have an Abdulkadir? He was really good.
Yes and he is under contract though 2022-2023 season with cap hit of 4.25 mil. Source is here https://www.capfriendly.com/players/justin-abdelkader
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #763 on: January 7, 2019, 07:35:47 AM »
Going to be interesting to see the reaction if Origi goes this window and we donít sign anyone - I think itís quite a likely scenario.

I imagine the reaction will be Ďmehí.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #764 on: January 7, 2019, 08:42:30 AM »
I imagine the reaction will be Ďmehí.

No chance.
If Origi left, the back up for the front three would be Sturridge, Brewster (who hasn't started a single Premiership game) and then you're looking at midfielders.
And you think the reaction to Origi leaving would be 'meh'. If you say so.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #765 on: January 7, 2019, 08:45:00 AM »
No chance.
If Origi left, the back up for the front three would be Sturridge, Brewster (who hasn't started a single Premiership game) and then you're looking at midfielders.
And you think the reaction to Origi leaving would be 'meh'. If you say so.

The FA Cup is the only reason to really want to keep him around. We have 2 rounds in January and if we get through then I do hope we keep him. If we dont then we dont reqlly need him.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #766 on: January 7, 2019, 08:48:31 AM »
The FA Cup is the only reason to really want to keep him around. We have 2 rounds in January and if we get through then I do hope we keep him. If we dont then we dont reqlly need him.

When the CL kicks in again (which admittedly may only be another two games) means two games a week. When you're playing two games a week then you have to look to rotate if you want to keep up the intensity and not risk injuries.
Also, thinking that the current front three will remain injury for the rest of the season is a presumption.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #767 on: January 7, 2019, 08:51:37 AM »
When the CL kicks in again (which admittedly may only be another two games) means two games a week. When you're playing two games a week then you have to look to rotate if you want to keep up the intensity and not risk injuries.

Thing is we have Salah, Shaqiri, Firmino, Sturridge and Mane as our effective front three options and when playing a 4-2-3-1 we have Keita and Lallana that can be deployed on the left.

I think we are an attacker light (namely someone who can be effective playing off the left as Mane is our only really proven option there) but Origi hasnt been effective enough to keep himself around.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #768 on: January 7, 2019, 08:54:03 AM »
Thing is we have Salah, Shaqiri, Firmino, Sturridge and Mane as our effective front three options and when playing a 4-2-3-1 we have Keita and Lallana that can be deployed on the left.

I think we are an attacker light (namely someone who can be effective playing off the left as Mane is our only really proven option there) but Origi hasnt been effective enough to keep himself around.


Oh well, each to their own. But despite playing less than 100 minutes in the league I would be disappointed to see Origi move on in the January window unless the fee was huge. We don't have the biggest squad as it is.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #769 on: January 7, 2019, 08:58:21 AM »
Is there anything reliable yet to suggest Origi is leaving this month?

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #770 on: January 7, 2019, 08:58:52 AM »

Oh well, each to their own. But despite playing less than 100 minutes in the league I would be disappointed to see Origi move on in the January window unless the fee was huge. We don't have the biggest squad as it is.

We dont and like I said, we are one attacker short in my opinion but we do have 5 attackers for 3 positions and can do stuff with formations and returning players to mitigate that.

If Origi had been better and shown more against Burnley or other sides then I would agree. But at the moment he hasnt been of much use at all, apart from that one glorious header.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #771 on: January 7, 2019, 09:03:47 AM »
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Divock Origi is set to join Fulham from Liverpool for £25m. Something strange happening at Anfield... Solanke £19m, Origi £25m, Ings £20m... Money laundering? Wouldnít be surprised to see #FFP regulations broken and a ban given here #LFC #FFC

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #772 on: January 7, 2019, 09:06:21 AM »
John Harriott@JHFootballAgent
Divock Origi is set to join Fulham from Liverpool for £25m. Something strange happening at Anfield... Solanke £19m, Origi £25m, Ings £20m... Money laundering? Wouldnít be surprised to see #FFP regulations broken and a ban given here #LFC #FFC

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Is that reliable?

Also we clearly got screwed over the Ings fee. I guess we can give Saints this one.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #773 on: January 7, 2019, 09:07:41 AM »
No chance.
If Origi left, the back up for the front three would be Sturridge, Brewster (who hasn't started a single Premiership game) and then you're looking at midfielders.
And you think the reaction to Origi leaving would be 'meh'. If you say so.

Origi is pretty poor though. Maybe thatís why I think itíll be meh. Iíd rather have one of Shaq or Lallana up top if we had a long term injury to about 4 forwards before Origi.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #774 on: January 7, 2019, 09:09:42 AM »
Is that reliable?

Also we clearly got screwed over the Ings fee. I guess we can give Saints this one.

How did we? He was out for like 2 years and Saints are paying his wages for the loan then transfer fee.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #775 on: January 7, 2019, 09:10:34 AM »
Origi is pretty poor though. Maybe thatís why I think itíll be meh. Iíd rather have one of Shaq or Lallana up top if we had a long term injury to about 4 forwards before Origi.

Fully agree. 25m for Origi would be great business

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #776 on: January 7, 2019, 09:10:54 AM »
How did we? He was out for like 2 years and Saints are paying his wages for the loan then transfer fee.

He is a reliable scorer unlike Solanke and Origi and relatively young. But yeah the injuries probably had a huge influence.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #777 on: January 7, 2019, 09:15:58 AM »
How did we? He was out for like 2 years and Saints are paying his wages for the loan then transfer fee.

And a rumoured 20% sell-on clause.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #778 on: January 7, 2019, 09:24:16 AM »
Origi is pretty poor though. Maybe thatís why I think itíll be meh. Iíd rather have one of Shaq or Lallana up top if we had a long term injury to about 4 forwards before Origi.
He is not very good, but is at least a number 9. Sturridge doesnít play like one anymore. If this is our only chance to get 20-25 million for him, fine, but otherwise I donít really see the benefit of letting him go.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #779 on: January 7, 2019, 09:25:12 AM »
Fully agree. 25m for Origi would be great business

It's nearly a double Shaq.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #780 on: January 7, 2019, 09:25:27 AM »
He is not very good, but is at least a number 9. Sturridge doesnít play like one anymore. If this is our only chance to get 20-25 million for him, fine, but otherwise I donít really see the benefit of letting him go.

We have Salah and Firmino who could play as the 9 with Sturridge replacing either as the 10.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #781 on: January 7, 2019, 09:37:27 AM »
We have Salah and Firmino who could play as the 9 with Sturridge replacing either as the 10.
Itís Salah who is the regular number 9, who we need cover for of course. Not very often hopefully, but if we progress tonight Origi could be useful a few more times. Even if he isnít great, I think the rest of our attacking player who donít start all the time benefit if heís on the pitch to stretch teams. A front three of say Shaqiri, Sturridge and Lallana canít really. It would be better to have the option to play those three behind Origi. Firmino could play there too, but he isnít a number 9 either and probably needs a rest in the same games Salah do (they both almost always start).

25million is quite a lot though, and it wouldnít be a great loss if he leaves now. He wont get many minutes in the league.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #782 on: January 7, 2019, 09:41:51 AM »
Iíd play Firmino, Mane, Shaq, Lallana, Sturridge, and probably a load of others out of position over Origi.

If some is offering us £25m then that by far surpasses what heíll offer on the pitch until May, imo of course, when he can then leave for free.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #783 on: January 7, 2019, 09:54:37 AM »
Iíd play Firmino, Mane, Shaq, Lallana, Sturridge, and probably a load of others out of position over Origi.

If some is offering us £25m then that by far surpasses what heíll offer on the pitch until May, imo of course, when he can then leave for free.
How would you start tonight, without Origi, and with Mane, Firmino and Salah all rested?

He can leave for free? Didn't know that, thought he was contracted for another year. Then I'd take 25million too, for sure.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #784 on: January 7, 2019, 09:59:37 AM »
Origiís contract runs until 2020 doesnít it?

When he was linked with other clubs in the summer it was being reported that he had two years left on his deal here.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #785 on: January 7, 2019, 10:14:21 AM »
Every media report I've seen says £15m not £25m, but either way it seems mad to be cutting our squad at this point of the season. It only takes an injury or two and we're at bare bones. I wouldn't have even let Clyne go, not when he's finally fit again and ready to start logging minutes.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #786 on: January 7, 2019, 10:18:53 AM »
If Origi goes too we must be bringing someone in.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #787 on: January 7, 2019, 10:24:15 AM »
I still say get Werner - even if we have to do the same thing we did for Keita (i.e. let him play there the 2nd half of the season - unless we sell Origi)

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #788 on: January 7, 2019, 10:26:33 AM »
If Origi goes too we must be bringing someone in.

Swap Origi for Coutinho and pretty much everyone was saying the same thing this time last year.

If Origi goes, it will very likely be the same outcome this January as it was last year - weíll wait for the summer to bring players in.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #789 on: January 7, 2019, 10:32:17 AM »
Iíd play Firmino, Mane, Shaq, Lallana, Sturridge, and probably a load of others out of position over Origi.

This point always glosses over the fact you're taking squad depth from another position.

I don't think I've even posted once about Clyne or Solanke leaving, because I'm not really arsed. I rate Clyne, but the manager clearly favours Trent, Gomez and Milner in that position in that order ahead of him, so it's unfair to keep a player of that age and quality around for the sake of a few starts a season, especially when we've got a couple of youngsters coming through who he seems to rate as well. I don't rate Solanke and think the statisticians got far too excitable over a small sample size last season, so the fee for him looks astronomical (like Ibe) and impossible to refuse for a player who hasn't even been making our bench.

But Origi has been, almost every week, so to let him go without replacing him would very clearly be leaving us a body light. If Oxlade and/or Brewster were back this month I could maybe understand it, but they're not, and to rely on them to hit the ground running after long-term injuries seems both risky and unfair in any case.

To make a second string XI for tonight's game without involving Origi would likely mean using Lallana, Keita or Curtis Jones in a front three. These players aren't forwards - they're midfielders and should be used as such. They don't make the runs in behind a player like Origi can make, which can make all the difference in matches. If you don't stretch teams, it's very difficult to break them down. This is even more the case when the other two players in that front three are Shaqiri and Sturridge, who are now very much 'come to the ball' type players.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #790 on: January 7, 2019, 10:34:08 AM »
Swap Origi for Coutinho and pretty much everyone was saying the same thing this time last year.

If Origi goes, it will very likely be the same outcome this January as it was last year - weíll wait for the summer to bring players in.
I donít know what wouldíve happened if Coutinho stayed or if we replaced him with someone, but I think there is strong argument that weíd been able to handle our injuries in midfield and the loss of Salah in the final better with him being here or replaced.

Origi hardly ever plays though, unlike Coutinho, so I donít think it will make much of a difference.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #791 on: January 7, 2019, 11:14:15 AM »
Origi is probably similar to the Solanke situation. It was clear we intended to loan Solanke, until Bournemouth came in with an offer too good to turn down for a player not even making the bench. We're probably happy for Origi to stay until the summer, but if a club makes an offer around the £20m mark, we'll likely take it.

Think in that scenario Klopp would roll the dice, trust the squad can get through the next couple of months and then hopefully be bolstered by Chamberlain and Brewster. Just don't think we'll be making a signing, although it certainly feels like we're clearing the decks for a couple of incomings in the summer.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #792 on: January 7, 2019, 11:15:18 AM »
I still say get Werner - even if we have to do the same thing we did for Keita (i.e. let him play there the 2nd half of the season - unless we sell Origi)

Yep. Isn't this what Chelsea are doing with Pulisic? It is sometimes worth waiting a bit for top targets. We did it with Keita and, in a sense, with VVD as well.

I think getting someone in right now may be a waste as they may not be able to get up to speed straight away. Suppose that depends on the position though.

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« Reply #793 on: January 7, 2019, 11:23:51 AM »
Yep. Isn't this what Chelsea are doing with Pulisic? It is sometimes worth waiting a bit for top targets. We did it with Keita and, in a sense, with VVD as well.

We donít know if Werner is a top target though.

Given a few clubs are reportedly interested, it probably makes sense from Leipzigís perspective to wait for the summer and see if they can get a bit of an auction going, unless someone is willing to pay a premium on top of a big fee now.

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« Reply #794 on: January 7, 2019, 11:29:06 AM »
Origi deserves a new contract for that goal.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #795 on: January 7, 2019, 11:29:10 AM »
Origi is probably similar to the Solanke situation. It was clear we intended to loan Solanke, until Bournemouth came in with an offer too good to turn down for a player not even making the bench. We're probably happy for Origi to stay until the summer, but if a club makes an offer around the £20m mark, we'll likely take it.

Think in that scenario Klopp would roll the dice, trust the squad can get through the next couple of months and then hopefully be bolstered by Chamberlain and Brewster. Just don't think we'll be making a signing, although it certainly feels like we're clearing the decks for a couple of incomings in the summer.

Is getting an extra c. £5m now for Origi worth compromising squad depth? I didn't realise we're skint.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #796 on: January 7, 2019, 11:30:41 AM »
Is getting an extra c. £5m now for Origi worth compromising squad depth? I didn't realise we're skint.

He's played 72 minutes this season. Whilst 6 of those minutes were glorious; I really do not think he will be missed.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #797 on: January 7, 2019, 11:33:15 AM »
Is getting an extra c. £5m now for Origi worth compromising squad depth? I didn't realise we're skint.

Heís on a free in the summer.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #798 on: January 7, 2019, 11:38:26 AM »
Heís on a free in the summer.

That obviously changes a lot - still can't see why we couldn't have lined someone up last summer and got him and Solanke out of the door then to be honest.
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