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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #80 on: December 6, 2018, 08:54:42 PM »
It’s been a nice break of about a year and a half but I had dearly hoped to never see Lee Mason referee one of our games ever again.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #81 on: December 6, 2018, 09:03:23 PM »
Howe is a fantastic manager and has done wonders at Bournemouth, it's amazing to think where they were when he took over.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #82 on: December 6, 2018, 09:53:43 PM »
Mane wasn't in training today either, so maybe he doesn't play on Saturday, he's still got two days before we make the decision. It wouldn't surprise me if Klopp didn't take a chance and had him ready for Napoli.


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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #83 on: December 6, 2018, 10:00:47 PM »
^ That's about right taking into account injuries and freshness, with Keita prob the first to get sub off and the substitutions generally coming in earlier. A possibly interesting dilemma at rightback - Camacho to get a shot, or plain risky to attempt to blood in a youngster during this crucial stretch? The conservative and likely choice is Clyne.

And I think Origi gets another start, alongside Bobby and Mo.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #84 on: December 6, 2018, 10:05:30 PM »
^ That's about right taking into account injuries and freshness, with Keita prob the first to get sub off and the substitutions generally coming in earlier. A possibly interesting dilemma at rightback - Camacho to get a shot, or plain risky to attempt to blood in a youngster during this crucial stretch? The conservative and likely choice is Clyne.

And I think Origi gets another start, alongside Bobby and Mo.

Well said, Clyne is never a bad choice but he's been ill and then he's picked up a knock this week and he wasn't in training today. So it seems unlikely that he will be fit by Saturday. Klopp could go with Trent and perhaps use Clyne next week which wouldn't be ideal considering it's Napoli and United, and at the same time Trent would have played five games straight in two weeks time.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #85 on: December 6, 2018, 10:12:44 PM »
Well said, Clyne is never a bad choice but he's been ill and then he's picked up a knock this week and he wasn't in training today. So it seems unlikely that he will be fit by Saturday. Klopp could go with Trent and perhaps use Clyne next week which wouldn't be ideal considering it's Napoli and United, and at the same time Trent would have played five games straight in two weeks time.

Wasn't aware Clyne hasn't been training and out for a bit, then yep, Trent likely starts with his minutes being managed with a sub perhaps. Think we'll be okay with Fab, Milly as backups at a push.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #86 on: December 6, 2018, 10:13:39 PM »
Howe is a fantastic manager and has done wonders at Bournemouth, it's amazing to think where they were when he took over.
Although, haven't they got a silent Russian investor who has pumped money into the club more recently?

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #87 on: December 6, 2018, 10:15:13 PM »
Bournemouth have been cursed by ACL injuries it seems. In their first season in the top flight they had a couple of them, including one for Wilson (who then went and had another ACL rupture). Now they have lost Lewis Cook to an ACL rupture.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #88 on: December 6, 2018, 10:16:32 PM »
Bournemouth have been cursed by ACL injuries it seems. In their first season in the top flight they had a couple of them, including one for Wilson (who then went and had another ACL rupture). Now they have lost Lewis Cook to an ACL rupture.

Happened to Tyrone Mings as well I think.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #89 on: December 6, 2018, 11:22:02 PM »
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #90 on: December 6, 2018, 11:38:31 PM »
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #91 on: December 6, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »
Id quite like us to use the 4231, something like...

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #92 on: December 6, 2018, 11:51:11 PM »
No Naby?

Only because it's away, thought he had a great game v Burnley, but Bournemouth are a much better side.

Think he'll be first sub
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #93 on: December 7, 2018, 01:05:17 AM »
What's equally impressive is their style of play. An open, attacking, passing game and not a parked bus in sight.

Didn't read any post after the initial one but Bournemouth aren't what people think they are this season unless you've watched them.  They DO bunker in and then quickly get the ball once won back up to Fraser, Brooks or Wilson to get down the pitch as fast as possible.  I noted in a thread in the general forums that I personally think Howe stumbled into this seasons tactics as it goes against the persona that I lifted from the Op.

It also makes sense though as Bournemouth every year fight relegation due to defensive mistakes from asking dross like Francis, Cook, Daniels etc etc to play out from the back.  There's none of that anymore.

Anyway, we'll have most of the ball.  Bournemouth will try to hit us on the counter via Wilson.  Same old same old.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #94 on: December 7, 2018, 03:49:12 AM »
Bournemouth conceded loads of chances in their games with Utd and Arsenal so would be bitterly disappointed if we don't roll them here.

Their main threat is on the break with plenty of speed in their side, but I'd like to think we can defend this better them both Utd and Arsenal's defenses.

If Keita starts he must be a good chance to score.


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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #95 on: December 7, 2018, 03:55:10 AM »
What's equally impressive is their style of play. An open, attacking, passing game and not a parked bus in sight.

Didn't read any post after the initial one but Bournemouth aren't what people think they are this season unless you've watched them.  They DO bunker in and then quickly get the ball once won back up to Fraser, Brooks or Wilson to get down the pitch as fast as possible.  I noted in a thread in the general forums that I personally think Howe stumbled into this seasons tactics as it goes against the persona that I lifted from the Op.

It also makes sense though as Bournemouth every year fight relegation due to defensive mistakes from asking dross like Francis, Cook, Daniels etc etc to play out from the back.  There's none of that anymore.

Anyway, we'll have most of the ball.  Bournemouth will try to hit us on the counter via Wilson.  Same old same old.

This is spot on.

I believe it has a lot to do with Bournemouth's history of making bad starts to the season that Howe decided to adopt this approach.  I think it works well for them against teams that are around them on the table, however against better sides like Utd and Arsenal they don't seem to have the personnel and organisation to really make the low block work effectively to limit chances. 

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #96 on: December 7, 2018, 04:22:57 AM »
It is going to be a tough match, the league table doesn't lie, Bournemouth is stronger than Man United
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #97 on: December 7, 2018, 05:02:32 AM »
I have a great deal of respect for Bournemouth but we should win this. We've got the ability to do it and of course, Bournemouth are a dangerous team with some quality players and a quality coach but this is a huge chance to continue to mount the pressure on City given they're playing Chelsea away. Come on you Redmen!
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #98 on: December 7, 2018, 06:13:27 AM »
Howe is a fantastic manager and has done wonders at Bournemouth, it's amazing to think where they were when he took over.
Although, haven't they got a silent Russian investor who has pumped money into the club more recently?

Yes and like Man City they broke FFP rules albeit on a smaller scale.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #99 on: December 7, 2018, 06:52:03 AM »
It also makes sense though as Bournemouth every year fight relegation due to defensive mistakes from asking dross like Francis, Cook, Daniels etc etc to play out from the back.

They finished 9th in 2016/17 and 12th in 2017/18. Their only relegation fight was their first PL season in 2015/16.

As for the 'dross' you refer to - those 3 players were ever-present throughout their 3 promotion seasons, helping the team get from League Two to 7th place in the PL. They've formed the backbone of a defence in a side that has finished 9th and 12th in the last 2 seasons, individually costing less than Mo Salah earns in a week.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #100 on: December 7, 2018, 07:41:42 AM »
I hope Lovren will be fit for this.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #101 on: December 7, 2018, 07:48:46 AM »
I hope Lovren will be fit for this.
Both him and Mane are looking doubtful.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #102 on: December 7, 2018, 07:56:24 AM »
No one is getting 'dropped'. We have 2 absolutely massive games in 4 days, followed by the visit of one of our greatest rivals the weekend after. It's not 'dropping' people, it's rotating them so we have a team that competes in every single second of every single game.

Well put! Although I'd play Naby again because he's coming off the back of a MOTM performance as to keep his momentum going. I also think the way Bournemouth play could suit him and to be fair he's not played a lot of football over the last month or so.

With Gini was rested he'll definitely start, but it'll be interesting to see who else starts with him.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #103 on: December 7, 2018, 08:12:53 AM »
I like both Bournemouth and Eddie Howe however, I hope we smash them everywhere and claim top spot before City play.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #104 on: December 7, 2018, 09:04:01 AM »
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #105 on: December 7, 2018, 09:31:59 AM »
Didn't Lovren just take a bang on the head? Missing today isn't that much of a big deal, maybe still available tomorrow

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #106 on: December 7, 2018, 09:42:27 AM »
Yes and like Man City they broke FFP rules albeit on a smaller scale.

Why would that matter, have Bournemouth ever qualified for European competition?
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #107 on: December 7, 2018, 10:00:32 AM »
I think you have to start Naby, right? I am not sure if he starts against Napoli - the temptation there must be Henderson/Gini/Milner, though it hasn't served us especially well in Europe this season if I remember correctly. Let him build on Wednesday night's performance and allow him to get more minutes in this side - even if it's just 60.

I think there's a lot he can do with the side - including Firmino and Salah upfront and a diamond in midfield with Naby furthest forward. I think if Moerno plays again, the extra protection on that side would be ideal - Milner did a great job of that on Wednesday evening.

If Mane isn't making it then there is always the option of Shaq playing out there or utilising Bobby wide and bringing in Sturridge. Firmino seemed to play wide at times when he came on, on Wednesday.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #108 on: December 7, 2018, 10:01:30 AM »
We should rotate again, albeit keep Moreno and Keita in there. Bournemouth didn't play well against Huddersfield despite winning and they may very well be knackered.

The only concern is that Mane is the only effective option out on the left so it prevents us rotating much.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #109 on: December 7, 2018, 10:20:53 AM »
We have two intense matches in four days then a nice break before United

Would go strong tomorrow but still use squad
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #110 on: December 7, 2018, 10:23:20 AM »
We have two intense matches in four days then a nice break before United

Would go strong tomorrow but still use squad

We had a strong team against Burnley. 1 of the front 3 will come back and even if we had the Burnley side plus Salah, then that's super strong.

Considering that Bournemouth will be feeling it in their legs this third game, if we can keep the fresh players like Matip, Moreno, Keita, Sturridge, bring in Fabinho then that will help

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #111 on: December 7, 2018, 10:25:15 AM »
We have two intense matches in four days then a nice break before United

Would go strong tomorrow but still use squad

Agree. Firmino, Wijnaldum, Fabinho and Salah can start, maybe even Mané, Robertson and Lovren if already recovered. That gives us a really strong spine already with Alisson and VVD. The other two spots will be filled by Hendo/Shaqiri/Sturridge/Origi/Moreno/TAA. Got great options actually.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #112 on: December 7, 2018, 10:25:17 AM »
A cracking OP. This won't be easy and I'm sure we will see the front three start again.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #113 on: December 7, 2018, 10:30:04 AM »
Agree. Firmino, Wijnaldum, Fabinho and Salah can start, maybe even Mané, Robertson and Lovren if already recovered. That gives us a really strong spine already with Alisson and VVD. The other two spots will be filled by Hendo/Shaqiri/Sturridge/Origi/Moreno/TAA. Got great options actually.

Wijnaldum has played loads of footie, why not just give him tomorrow off with Keita and Fabinho in there, who are fresh? Same with Firmino and Robertson.

Personally from a purely minutes on pitch view as a fan, Robbo, Wijnaldum and Firmino shouldn't be starting.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #114 on: December 7, 2018, 10:37:54 AM »
Wijnaldum has played loads of footie, why not just give him tomorrow off with Keita and Fabinho in there, who are fresh? Same with Firmino and Robertson.

Personally from a purely minutes on pitch view as a fan, Robbo, Wijnaldum and Firmino shouldn't be starting.

I kind of agree with Gini.

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #115 on: December 7, 2018, 10:38:52 AM »
Wijnaldum has played loads of footie, why not just give him tomorrow off with Keita and Fabinho in there, who are fresh? Same with Firmino and Robertson.

Personally from a purely minutes on pitch view as a fan, Robbo, Wijnaldum and Firmino shouldn't be starting.

Because of rythm. A one week break is perfect to recover any little issues, but longer might break match rythm. The goal needs to be to keep the best players match fit while also giving them enough rest. I think Klopp will want Keita to start against Napoli, because he absolutely needs a driving creative midfielder in this game, so that's my logic for leaving him out now after completing 90 mins midweek.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #116 on: December 7, 2018, 11:01:52 AM »
Wijnaldum has played loads of footie, why not just give him tomorrow off with Keita and Fabinho in there, who are fresh? Same with Firmino and Robertson.

Personally from a purely minutes on pitch view as a fan, Robbo, Wijnaldum and Firmino shouldn't be starting.

I would tend to agree, but after Firmino's goal on Wednesday and his knack of scoring away from home could be key to us winning and also key to his confidence returning.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #117 on: December 7, 2018, 11:32:26 AM »
Wijnaldum has played loads of footie, why not just give him tomorrow off with Keita and Fabinho in there, who are fresh? Same with Firmino and Robertson.

Personally from a purely minutes on pitch view as a fan, Robbo, Wijnaldum and Firmino shouldn't be starting.
Unlike shit teams like Burnely, Southampton and Manchester United, they won't just park the bus, so there should be enough space for Firmino to do what he does best.

I would like to see Sturridge start instead of Mane though, so that Sadio can be fresh as hell for Napoli.
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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #118 on: December 7, 2018, 11:40:53 AM »
We should rotate again, albeit keep Moreno and Keita in there. Bournemouth didn't play well against Huddersfield despite winning and they may very well be knackered.

The only concern is that Mane is the only effective option out on the left so it prevents us rotating much.
Practically our only weakness in the squad right now (along with attacking midfielder with AOC injured). No one in the squad seems to be as comfortable there as they are through the centre or on the right. Mane is our only great option, although Firmino's had a couple of good games there (and some not so good).

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Re: Pre-match: Bournemouth vs Liverpool - Saturday 8th December (12.30pm)
« Reply #119 on: December 7, 2018, 11:49:45 AM »
Why would that matter, have Bournemouth ever qualified for European competition?

It mattered when they were in the Football League which was when it happened.