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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4400 on: February 3, 2019, 07:45:15 PM »
Thank god we gained that point on City... Going from a 1 game cushion to a 1 game cushion could be pivotal going into tomorrow!

I would say it shouldn’t really need to be explained how important a draw instead of a loss might be at the end of the season, particularly considering what’s happened to us in the not too distant past, but I’m thinking for you it probably does  :) No harm.

If we draw against Chelsea in 2014 instead of lose, we go into the Palace game knowing any win will do and we don’t need to chase GD and most likely go on to win the title. I mean keep on the whinging, it’s fun to read, but you should know these things first.
I fear that if today's performance is not a final straw for Klopp

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4401 on: February 3, 2019, 08:03:45 PM »
I thought about this the other day, if we had drawn our game and then City had lost their game, we'd (certainly I would !) have been far positive this weekend coming into the next round of matches.
Funny how the idea of dropped points or earned points works. Perspective can be a mofo.

I sure hope we win tomorrow.
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« Reply #4402 on: February 3, 2019, 08:09:55 PM »
Imagine how demoralising it will be for City tomorrow when we win 3-1.

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Let's demoralise them right back. Up the reds!

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« Reply #4403 on: February 3, 2019, 08:11:57 PM »
Been a good ground to us this olympic one. Fingers crossed its more of the same
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« Reply #4404 on: February 3, 2019, 09:20:58 PM »
Imagine how demoralising it will be for City tomorrow when we win 3-1.


And whoever said a few pages back that many on here would rather us be comfortably in fourth spot than where we are now is right.

I've been saying it all season people would rather be stuck in mid table so their moaning would be validated.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4405 on: February 3, 2019, 09:32:02 PM »
I've been saying it all season people would rather be stuck in mid table so their moaning would be validated.
Ya know what mate there wasn't half the moaning when we weren't top.

It's like they're scared of being in front, or that being top and needing to help the lads over the line takes more effort, that they're not quite sure they want, or even have it, to give.

We're such a lily livered fan base it's no wonder we've won fuck all for decades.


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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4406 on: February 3, 2019, 09:35:17 PM »
Enjoy the ride, its captivating being the team everyone wants to beat.
Who gives a rats ass if everyone else wants us to lose it? Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs fans, if they had to pick one,  might want City to win it, but that's because if we do it makes it official that we are better than they are, rubber stamped, and they't cant stand the thought of that because we have been a threat the last few years , but they've always finished above us, won something or whatever and have held that over us.
To be honest though, City were excellent today, thtas how you play under pressure, same from our lads tomorrow night please


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« Reply #4407 on: February 3, 2019, 09:38:14 PM »
Ya know what mate there wasn't half the moaning when we weren't top.

It's like they're scared of being in front, or that being top and needing to help the lads over the line takes more effort, that they're not quite sure they want, or even have it, to give.

We're such a lily livered fan base it's no wonder we've won fuck all for decades.

Preparing for failure, expecting failure and then getting failure is a lot less painful than anticipating success and then not getting it. I mean it’s nowhere near as enjoyable and when the success does come there must surely be a feeling of ‘oh, kinda wish I’d got swept up in that a bit more’ but people aren’t going to change now.
I fear that if today's performance is not a final straw for Klopp

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« Reply #4408 on: February 3, 2019, 09:41:40 PM »
Not sure I've seen all the moaning that many seem to be pointing out. I certainly haven't seen much in the way of undue criticism of the manager or players.

It might just seem that way because emotions run high at the top of the league. Wins feel better, defeats feel worse. However I'm sure if you asked anyone to take a step back and assess how happy they are with the current state of the club, you'd be met with unanimously positive answers. If someone said otherwise, then you might have something to worry about.

Look mate have your opinion (I like it) I'm happy for you, I just don't have a brain that thinks that way.
Completely understandable. Not everyone thinks the same way, and that's something that should be welcomed.

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« Reply #4409 on: February 3, 2019, 09:44:23 PM »
Not sure I've seen all the moaning that many seem to be pointing out. I certainly haven't seen much in the way of undue criticism of the manager or players.

It might just seem that way because emotions run high at the top of the league. Wins feel better, defeats feel worse. However I'm sure if you asked anyone to take a step back and assess how happy they are with the current state of the club, you'd be met with unanimously positive answers. If someone said otherwise, then you might have something to worry about.
Completely understandable. Not everyone thinks the same way, and that's something that should be welcomed.

If you’re someone who is quite strongly negative and pessimistic, other posters doing the same probably doesn’t stand out at all. Hypothetically.

And I don’t think anyone has been critical of the manager but to say you haven’t seen much in the way of player criticism, whinging at ‘missed opportunities’, ‘bottling it’ etc then you really can’t have looked very hard.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4410 on: February 3, 2019, 09:48:53 PM »
Preparing for failure, expecting failure and then getting failure is a lot less painful than anticipating success and then not getting it. I mean it’s nowhere near as enjoyable and when the success does come there must surely be a feeling of ‘oh, kinda wish I’d got swept up in that a bit more’ but people aren’t going to change now.
Exactly!  The journey should be appreciated and enjoyed as much as the destination, regardless of how rough the road is.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4411 on: February 3, 2019, 09:50:07 PM »
If you’re someone who is quite strongly negative and pessimistic, other posters doing the same probably doesn’t stand out at all. Hypothetically.

And I don’t think anyone has been critical of the manager but to say you haven’t seen much in the way of player criticism, whinging at ‘missed opportunities’, ‘bottling it’ etc then you really can’t have looked very hard.

That "bottling" line is a pet hate of mine, you draw or lose a match, you bottled it. Heard Brendan Rodgers say the other day about when he was here we won 10 of our last 11 or 11 of 12 can't remember, but the belief was that we bottled it.

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« Reply #4412 on: February 3, 2019, 09:51:48 PM »
If you’re someone who is quite strongly negative and pessimistic, other posters doing the same probably doesn’t stand out at all. Hypothetically.

And I don’t think anyone has been critical of the manager but to say you haven’t seen much in the way of player criticism, whinging at ‘missed opportunities’, ‘bottling it’ etc then you really can’t have looked very hard.
You're probably right. I'm naturally pessimistic, and I find humour in observing people's reactions to that.

However I think it's necessary to differentiate between posts that have been thought through (whatever the opinion) and those which seem like people just venting through their keyboards. I can honestly say I haven't seen much in the way of mindless criticism of the kind you mention, "bottling" etc, so maybe I haven't looked hard enough.

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« Reply #4413 on: February 3, 2019, 09:54:37 PM »
That "bottling" line is a pet hate of mine, you draw or lose a match, you bottled it. Heard Brendan Rodgers say the other day about when he was here we won 10 of our last 11 or 11 of 12 can't remember, but the belief was that we bottled it.

I expect the media to build that narrative, but it’s really frustrating to see our own fans using it too. City lost in the week and yet again we’re talking about them ‘keeping the pressure on’. Keeping. And again, fans buying that nonsense. There’s literally been posts saying if we don’t win tomorrow we won’t win the title.
I fear that if today's performance is not a final straw for Klopp

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« Reply #4414 on: February 3, 2019, 09:55:00 PM »
That "bottling" line is a pet hate of mine, you draw or lose a match, you bottled it. Heard Brendan Rodgers say the other day about when he was here we won 10 of our last 11 or 11 of 12 can't remember, but the belief was that we bottled it.
That's a modern phenomenon that needs to die. I think it's down to the all-or-nothing type mindset of the average fan in 2019. Their attention spans don't cover the whole season, so teams are either winners or bottlers based on their last result.

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« Reply #4415 on: February 3, 2019, 10:08:55 PM »
"I expect the media to build that narrative, but it’s really frustrating to see our own fans using it too. City lost in the week and yet again we’re talking about them ‘keeping the pressure on’. Keeping. And again, fans buying that nonsense. There’s literally been posts saying if we don’t win tomorrow we won’t win the title"


Oh they will, you'll hear that word used more than any other in the next few weeks/months. Have people said that ?  Jaysus. The irony is the people saying that will be saying the team will bottle it, while they are the ones shitting themselves.

"That's a modern phenomenon that needs to die. I think it's down to the all-or-nothing type mindset of the average fan in 2019. Their attention spans don't cover the whole season, so teams are either winners or bottlers based on their last result"

It absolutely is. The last result tends to define a team/manager doesn't it. Pochettino went from the next Utd manager, to not as good a manager as Solsjkaer,to next Man Utd manager in about a week

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« Reply #4416 on: February 3, 2019, 10:16:59 PM »
Not sure I've seen all the moaning that many seem to be pointing out. I certainly haven't seen much in the way of undue criticism of the manager or players.

It might just seem that way because emotions run high at the top of the league. Wins feel better, defeats feel worse. However I'm sure if you asked anyone to take a step back and assess how happy they are with the current state of the club, you'd be met with unanimously positive answers. If someone said otherwise, then you might have something to worry about.
Completely understandable. Not everyone thinks the same way, and that's something that should be welcomed.

You haven't seen the posts calling our players bottlers etc. ? Selective reading I'd say.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4417 on: February 3, 2019, 10:25:19 PM »
The shithousery has already started. Apparently, if we don't win tomorrow the wheels come off the title race. With bottling c*nts like these "supporting" us, who needs enemies.

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« Reply #4418 on: February 3, 2019, 10:25:33 PM »
City were never going to lose or even draw many home games so it's a miracle they lost that game to Crystal Palace. My concern at this stage is we have too many draws and that kills our momentum. We had something like 12 last season if I remember and you're better off doing a Spurs in losing a few and winning the rest. Huge test tomorrow night, we really need a result and performance. Then it's beat Bournemouth and put the pressure on City before they play Chelsea (the Everton game being a gimme).

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« Reply #4419 on: February 3, 2019, 10:28:54 PM »
That "bottling" line is a pet hate of mine, you draw or lose a match, you bottled it. Heard Brendan Rodgers say the other day about when he was here we won 10 of our last 11 or 11 of 12 can't remember, but the belief was that we bottled it.

Bottling or non bottling is the new mind games.  Utter wank but an easy narrative.

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« Reply #4420 on: February 3, 2019, 10:30:00 PM »
City were never going to lose or even draw many home games so it's a miracle they lost that game to Crystal Palace. My concern at this stage is we have too many draws and that kills our momentum. We had something like 12 last season if I remember and you're better off doing a Spurs in losing a few and winning the rest. Huge test tomorrow night, we really need a result and performance. Then it's beat Bournemouth and put the pressure on City before they play Chelsea (the Everton game being a gimme).

Christ, where to start with this.

We’ve drawn four games. That’s fewer than pretty much everyone apart from City and Spurs. And those draws are why we’re top instead of where they are. What an odd statement about Spurs. They’ve won as many as us and lost the rest. Great?  That’s why we’re four clear of them with a game in hand.
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« Reply #4421 on: February 3, 2019, 10:30:55 PM »
You haven't seen the posts calling our players bottlers etc. ? Selective reading I'd say.
To be honest I actually haven't read much of the main forum post-Leicester. I'll take everyone's word for it though.

I'll never stop defending pessimistic users, as there's nothing wrong with that. Terms like "bottlers" though are the kind of needless criticism that simply doesn't belong on this forum. So far it's been one of our best (the best?) league campaigns of all time. Given that context nobody should be lashing out at the team, those who do are either trolls or simply don't understand how football works.

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« Reply #4422 on: February 3, 2019, 10:31:04 PM »
And the primary reason we lost to Leicester was a referring performance for the ages.

I just hope our players don't have the mentality of some of the posters on here or we are done already.

No guarantees in life, but even the worst result tomorrow still has us in front, and there is still so much to play for after that.

Buckle and get ready. Let's do this.

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« Reply #4423 on: February 3, 2019, 10:33:31 PM »
WE DIDNT LOSE TO LEICESTER!!

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« Reply #4424 on: February 3, 2019, 10:35:37 PM »
City were never going to lose or even draw many home games so it's a miracle they lost that game to Crystal Palace. My concern at this stage is we have too many draws and that kills our momentum. We had something like 12 last season if I remember and you're better off doing a Spurs in losing a few and winning the rest. Huge test tomorrow night, we really need a result and performance. Then it's beat Bournemouth and put the pressure on City before they play Chelsea (the Everton game being a gimme).

Yeah we're better off doing what the team 4 points and possibly 7 points behind us is doing. The kind of logic that would make you despair.
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« Reply #4425 on: February 3, 2019, 10:36:07 PM »
Christ, where to start with this.

We’ve drawn four games. That’s fewer than pretty much everyone apart from City and Spurs. And those draws are why we’re top instead of where they are. What an odd statement about Spurs. They’ve won as many as us and lost the rest. Great?  That’s why we’re four clear of them with a game in hand.

Re. Spurs I meant of the remaining games not overall in terms of winning and losing and not drawing. If we draw at West Ham and say Old Trafford we will have less points than if we win one of those game and lose the other. That was my point. If our makeshift defence keeps conceding like it did in Jan who's to say we won't be drawing more games.

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« Reply #4426 on: February 3, 2019, 10:40:22 PM »
Yeah we're better off doing what the team 4 points and possibly 7 points behind us is doing. The kind of logic that would make you despair.

1 win and 1 defeat is better than 2 draws. What kind of logic is that? Simple arithmetic mate.

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« Reply #4427 on: February 3, 2019, 10:40:53 PM »
Re. Spurs I meant of the remaining games not overall in terms of winning and losing and not drawing. If we draw at West Ham and say Old Trafford we will have less points than if we win one of those game and lose the other. That was my point. If our makeshift defence keeps conceding like it did in Jan who's to say we won't be drawing more games.

I don’t think we need a lesson on how points work  ;D

But again, your point makes literally no sense. You’re referencing a team who are quite far behind us literally because they’re losing too many instead of drawing. Unless your point was ‘we should aim for four points instead of two because four is two more than two’ then yes, good point.
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« Reply #4428 on: February 3, 2019, 10:58:05 PM »


And the primary reason we lost to Leicester was a referring performance for the ages.



But we didn't lose to Leicester.  The only team we've lost to all season is City. 

This is what happens when you start believing the media shite.  Agendas that are brainwashing the fanbase into believing this is an impossible task.

Those words from Jurgen way back in October 2015, that we needed to take the heavy backpack off that has been holding us back for so long.  That we needed to become believers before we can succeed, that to remain doubters is taking the cowards away out, (ok he didn't say that but it's how it feels).

It's too fucking easy to think we won't be successful, that we cant win, it takes no effort whatsoever to give up without a fight or with a whimper.

That's what everyone else is telling us
and some of you have decided to go along with it.

Well I'm with Jurgen every day of the fucking week.

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« Reply #4429 on: February 3, 2019, 11:19:49 PM »
WE DIDNT LOSE TO LEICESTER!!

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We lost the lead ;).

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« Reply #4430 on: February 3, 2019, 11:19:54 PM »
I understand mate, I just can't be arsed stressing about what may or may not happen to us, football is escape to life's bullshit for me, not a place where i continuously stress about things that are out of my control
That's brilliant! Particularly, as it's totally out of our control.
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« Reply #4431 on: February 3, 2019, 11:28:51 PM »
We lost the lead ;).

Losing without losing?

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« Reply #4432 on: February 3, 2019, 11:47:22 PM »
I understand mate, I just can't be arsed stressing about what may or may not happen to us, football is escape to life's bullshit for me, not a place where i continuously stress about things that are out of my control
I'm the same. Football is an escape from the genuine stresses of life for me. It should be about the enjoyment of watching / supporting your team through good times and bad, not something that becomes all-consuming and a massive stress in itself. Look at the Everton fanbase to see what kind of life that leads to.

It pays to keep some perspective, I think. Of course, I want us to win the title as much as anyone else, but I won't be agonising over it before and after every game until the end of the season. I won't do that to myself. I have no control over any of it. All I can control is my reaction to it all. I choose to enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. I'll leave the worry to the managers and players who get paid handsomely to shoulder that kind of stress.

These days it seems life is all about the destination rather than the journey. Personally, I want to enjoy the journey too, along with all its twists and turns. I hope we get there, I really do, but I'm not going to stress myself out until summer over things I have no influence over whatsoever.
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« Reply #4433 on: February 4, 2019, 12:35:09 AM »
I'm the same. Football is an escape from the genuine stresses of life for me. It should be about the enjoyment of watching / supporting your team through good times and bad, not something that becomes all-consuming and a massive stress in itself. Look at the Everton fanbase to see what kind of life that leads to.

It pays to keep some perspective, I think. Of course, I want us to win the title as much as anyone else, but I won't be agonising over it before and after every game until the end of the season. I won't do that to myself. I have no control over any of it. All I can control is my reaction to it all. I choose to enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. I'll leave the worry to the managers and players who get paid handsomely to shoulder that kind of stress.

These days it seems life is all about the destination rather than the journey. Personally, I want to enjoy the journey too, along with all its twists and turns. I hope we get there, I really do, but I'm not going to stress myself out until summer over things I have no influence over whatsoever.

Well is said. Life is too short.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4434 on: February 4, 2019, 01:57:00 AM »
Nobody wants us to win this title, absolutely no one. From opposition fans to pundits, the media, and referees. We'd had better get used to it and go into every game as if it were a cup final. West Ham would love nothing more than to throw a spanner in the works tomorrow and say they derailed our season.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4435 on: February 4, 2019, 02:09:00 AM »

But what if we're not.



Iam sitting here trying to think of something to philosophical and deep inspirational stuff to . All I can come up with though is.

Fuck off you Shithouse !
He who sees himself in all beings and all beings in himself loses all fear.

- The Upanishads.

He who expects freedom of speech should allow others to speak .  Me - Now.

He who sees twats really is a twat themselves - Me - Now .

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4436 on: February 4, 2019, 03:40:50 AM »
Nobody wants us to win this title, absolutely no one. From opposition fans to pundits, the media, and referees. We'd had better get used to it and go into every game as if it were a cup final.
is that you Mourinho?

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4437 on: February 4, 2019, 03:42:44 AM »
The worst thing we can do as a fan base right now is fight amongst ourselves. 

Forget what happened against Leicester, or who said what afterwards about the performance.  Get behind the team and focus positive and supportive energy towards winning against West Ham.   

 

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« Reply #4438 on: February 4, 2019, 03:49:13 AM »
This is where it pays to have a manager like Klopp. He's been there & done it before. And he's a charismatic manager. It's up to him to settle the boys down & stick to what we've been doing best for the most part of the season

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« Reply #4439 on: February 4, 2019, 04:42:58 AM »
This is where it pays to have a manager like Klopp. He's been there & done it before. And he's a charismatic manager. It's up to him to settle the boys down & stick to what we've been doing best for the most part of the season

100%, so much harder if it was a less experienced manager trying to navigate the remaining games. 

Journalists and the media hate all the 1 game at a time stuff, but there's a very good reason for it and Klopp knows that.